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and it's littered with your incessant insults.

What do they say about arguing on the internet?

you may win but you're still a phycologist.

Boom Boom,

Yes it is.

You're a 'phycologist' [sic], who assumes multiple anonymous identities in order to bag people on the internet and then claim that you have no mental problems.

What would your children think Big Man?

//Typically, my clients have mental illnesses, sometimes physical disabilities

¿So you're a musical therapist in an IHC home?

...........or a patient?

//No lo-fi, less-is-more movement there?

In fact go and read "user reviews" of any Mountain Goats record since Tallahase and you'll find out that a large number of people will moan when a guy stops singing his songs directly into a whirring ghetto blaster thats so noisy the mechanism is louder than the tape-hiss and starts recording in a "real studio". It's been nearly five years and still they bring it up.

//The Question I have is what is he doing here? My guess is Michael Fay's Daughter.

Oops that reads rather bad. Obviously I don't mean he's here 'doing' Michael Fay's Daughter. I mean working on her record.

//Come here to England and we'll see how many jobs you get.

//Put your money where your mouth is Peter - link us to something you've produced.

I'm going to play the Devil's Advocate a bit here (yeah I know the Catholic Church no longer uses one but they're still useful here).

A cursory google search reveals that Peter Collins is English. Started his career there with Pete Waterman acheiving sucess with Nik Kershaw and Musical Youth, the two of them moved to the US where Peter Collins has since done albums for Rush, Queensryche, Jewel, Brian Setzer, Indigo Girls, Elton John and LeAnn Rimes.

The Question I have is what is he doing here? My guess is Michael Fay's Daughter.

Benito Mussolinni walks into a bar,
Adolf Hitler yells out " Ill Duce you look smashed out of your skull"
Mussolinni just scoffs and says "Fuher, your so poisonous these days"

You didn't say it had to be funny and not made-up.

//But isn't this topic about digital audio, You are starting to bring in the whole Pre mastering aspect.

I didn't bring anything to the arguement. If you read back through the posts (and if you read my post again) you'll see that I've merely catalogued the various things that have been brought up in the course of the discussion.

Like I said there's been confusion and I am amused.

This has been a funny little read:

Seems to be a bit of confusion between...
DATA COMPRESSION and DYNAMIC RANGE COMPRESSION,
and then more confusion between...
COMPRESSION and ATTENUATION,
and then more confusion between...
DYNAMIC RANGE and BANDWIDTH

"this apple is not the same as this apple"
"I disagree they do that to oranges all the time"
"are you saying you're against pears"
"no I'm saying that you'd have to have the ears of a dog to tell the difference between a pear and a mandarin"

Nah, It's somewhere near Taupo.

//Plus I get a 10% discount at Music Works stores

You clearly haven't been to the Porirua one, whenever I produce my card there they claim to know nothing about it and charge me full price for my strings (which are the only thing worth buying there).

Then how come the writings not blue and smudgy and stinking of Meths?

If it is about television (which it is) then why does it look so crappy?

Compared to the stage layout of the American version, the NZ stage looks like the school holiday talent quest at the Porirua mall.

The Americans have these inverted cone structures covered in moving lights and plasma screens. NZ has a few bits of vertical box-truss with a par-can pointing up at the bottom.

US has Simon Cowell, NZ has that DJ that looks like a 'Fraggle' and whose "caustic comments' are about as imaginative as the song choices of the entrants at the Porirua mall talent quest.

Didn't stop her from letting them use "violent" as one of the songs tonight.

This Guy?

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//the point of this post was to ask if people had ever seen CDs in Cash Converters that they would never sell themselves

I've only really seen CD's in there that I would never buy myself.

Whoa, didn't see that one coming!!!!

I like "her Majesty's Satanic Request show" on Radio Jihad (66.6 FM) Sunday nights from 7 - Midnight. Hosted by the ghosts of Adolf Hitler and Aleister Crowley.

//WHO DECIDES WHAT BOOKS THEY SHOULD BUY!!!!?

If you fill in a simple online request form - YOU CAN!!!!
Then for a small fee ($1 here in Wellington) you can then guarantee that you're the first person to be able to lend it. Works for CD's and DVD's as well.

I've chosen about 50 new additions to the AV dept at Wellington Library over the last few years.

Can't get them out, put them in the walkman and listen to them in a public hedge-maze though.

As for selling music to advertisers, that's quite complicated as there are more than one way to do it.

As in the Tom Waites example, a track can be licensed to advertisers by the copyright holder (which is quite often not the artist involved). A local example would be, I suspect as I don't know the facts, the FlyingNun/Hallensteins campaign. This equates to being sold out, rather than actively selling out. Good for the bank balance, possibly disastrous to your moral integrity depending on your fanbase.

Then there's actively selling out. Moby would be a good example here as he made every track off his play album available to advertisers.

There's partially selling out, as in Jet's SJD example - a company, in this case Telecom approaches you for the rights to one song for one add. It's a one off thing, you didn't actively seek it out, you made some money, any harm done? N0, not much.
Actually this ones even muddier as it was an instrumental track - I mean it's not like selling your voice is it, it's just a bunch of samples.

And then there's the 'make music to sell' concept. Make your out-takes and 30 second noodles available. Make money, no harm done, no one even needs to know it's you.

On the subject, and someone may be able to help me here, in those telecom ads for Jetstream with the Geek-force a Module poster is clearly visible on the wall in one of them, the music could very well be Module ( same style ) so is it?
Cos that would be a slightly different thing again - allowing your music and your name to be used - which is far more gratuitous.

And to end with another question...

What about endorsements? You know, where a young drummer sells his image, signature and band-name for a free drum-kit. Is that selling out? ( I'd say yes).

I see "selling out" in a similar way to wainuiomata.

I see it more as a label that the 'fans' of a band impose upon them, rather than something that the band actively does. This is perhaps borne out by the fact that musicians cannot agree on what selling out is.

When a band is starting out, and-importantly- they are 'great'; they will naturally develop a 'small loyal following'.
However, the fact that they are 'great' invariably means that when their 'small loyal following' recommends them to their friends and plays their recordings to others this 'greatness' will be apparent to them also.
The band now plays to the 'small loyal following' + their friends + the friends of their friends.
A crowd this big attracts interest from labels and promoters, band makes 'great' debut album which 'small loyal following' claims a certain amount of ownership over - I mean they were there from the start weren't they?
The records 'greatness' insures radio play, a video is made, and a tour is done. The band is now available to an audience far wider than the original 'small loyal following' (who at this stage are still claiming some form of exclusive ownership.
But.
The larger audience also sees the 'greatness', which attracts interest from bigger labels, promoters etc.
The band is now signed to a major label and being played internationally. The kids of the world are happy because the band are 'great' and the band are happy because they're playing in Bangladesh and meeting Oasis and snorting coke with Uma Thurman - things couldn't be better (when they started out they never saw themselves like this, the best they'd hoped for was a support slot for shihad and a trip to Melbourne).
The only people who aren't happy are the 'small loyal following' that are now totally disenfranchised from the band, and being the vociferous gatekeepers of cool that they are cry "sell-out" to anyone that will listen. (Which doesn't include the 'great' band as they're in Bangladesh snorting coke off Uma Thurmans thigh with Oasis)