That's right all you nostalgic types.
SPUD are now on myspace - no music uploaded yet but keep an eye out : Go here : www.myspace.com/spudnz
And while you're at it have a look here : www.myspace.com/dotdasha
for the what - ever - happened - to queries ...
cheers Dotdash / SPUD
8 Living Legs ?? Now that takes me back !!Rhumba Bar + Early Skeptics , Flak ...
Not to be rude, but before I give out my email...who are you and what do you want to discuss?
probably next year for a visit... but not as a musician / band.Although I would like to play at The kings Arms for old times sake...haven't seen it for years.If I could find musicians who were up for it I'd play a show .
I can't believe The Bats are going to play BDO...
Tribal Thunder ex-King Loser returns with some new 'PRODUCT"...
Artist : Dotdash
Titke: New dot Assembly
New ep is out now and availible from:www.cheeseontoast.co.nz
MP3 streaming / downloads from :www.myspace.com/dotdasha
Currently sitting at Number 6 on Radio One weekly charts.
Cheers Dunedin ... !!
To vote go to :http://www.r1.co.nz/v4/top11.php
OK you got me...but I misquoted the picassos lyric...I think it was more like ..."god gave us The Upper Hutt posse...god gave us etc"...
Harold Baadaa meinhoff... what a legend.Whatever happened to him.He wanted to get a band together with some of us "niggas" but luckily it never happened cos i think he had the dumb idea of including Riqi from The dead Flowers...sorry no spandex rockers thanks...
Hey I'm encouraged by yr great taste.... The Fall are one of my alltime faves and CAN.I met the Cramps years ago...the band I was in was supporting them.Another band I was in used to do a cover of a Billy childish song called POW WOW.
ahhh mr iluvtheclean Sanity at last ... I'm well aware of the melting pot thing...Maybe I should have done a" shout out to my homies who are down with Joy Division , Punk rock , and other 'whitey music'...." :-)
Thing is it still has a lot to do with where you live...redress is from Sth Auckland...this says a LOT...
btw I caught diediedie recently here in Melbourne... fantastic ... much better than the band they were supporting MyDisco...
OK here's the deal.
If you're a pakeha you don't have to notice _ it's not in yr interest as you are the DOMINANT CULTURE.
If no-one in The Mint Chicks has polynesian blood then fine ... my mistake.
If you look at the original thread what I am asking is does anyone notice more brown people involved in "indie" music alternative whatever you call it ...
Heather turned this into a debacle by making some ridiculous assumptions backed by more assumptions...where do you get the idea that I would use the phrase 'whitey music'.This is not about discrimination but visibility.
NZ is still a colony and there are many areas that polynesians,maori have not been involved in...some by choice some by exclusion.What I noticed was something that IS unusual.
If you choose not to notice then yr just contributing to assimilation...ethnic differences are buried in favour of the pervading acceptable "new "culture.
OK fine>> 1st of all redress.
I grew up in a small town called paeroa.I lived in Auckland for about 15/20 years around grey Lynn/Ponsonby.
I have mates that grew up in Otara.My old Sifu (I did Wing Chun) used to live out yr way...he's Tongan his name is Joe moahengi.That's cool that yr going to interpol...I like thier 1st lp;yeah taking yr dad will be weird...I always wished my dad had seen me play ...he was a jazz musician born in Aitutaki.
cheers ka kite
As for Heather ...
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"dotdash, I know I overreacted to start off with, and believe me, it was a revelation to me that people the white/brown thing is a "thing". Maybe that's just my age, maybe it's to do with my upbringing, where Maori faces outnumbered pakeha faces in my class (and the Maori kids didn't believe me when I told them my ancestry, except for one girl that turned out to be a third cousin). So most likely I've been horribly naive."
This must be "reverse racism" ....who's the minority here ??
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"the brown kid/whitey music/brown boys" ...
What happened to :
" the "brown" thing that got my goat" , "could you *please* find some alternative to using the phrase "brown people"
Your assumption being initially that the person who started this thread was a pakeha.
redress shared some personal experiences ,I reciprocated this wasn't exclusive ...I'm posting to a forum .But you're getting suspicious over 2 'brown people' having a discussion.
Your true colours are starting to show ... now I refer you to :
http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ot/fanon.htm
And maybe read anything else that he's written...
Hey reddress.Nice of you to represent.I went thru the same experience as you when I was a teenager.I liked punk music.I dressed the part too.Where I grew up it was a minority interest (this is in the 70s) and there were no other maoris/polynesians etc into it.I copped it from both sides.NZ was a lot more conservative in those days.
The thing is I've really only heard pakehas tell me they didn't notice whether there was a polynesian in the band...but I'm nosey...I always notice.
To just forget about it and buy into the "we're all kiwis" routine is bullshit.This is typical homogenised crap.
I'm saying "Notice the difference" ... stand out ... be uncomfortable ...it's empowering.
I can remember hearing a bunch of skinheads at a Dead Kennedys gig yrs ago being totally pissed off cos they had a black drummer... and then we had Bad Brains ... 4 rastas playing amazing punk metal ... do you think no-one noticed they were black ???
Further reading for those that want to investigate 'colonialism'...
http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ot/fanon.htm
I was subject racial abuse in NZ ... from Invercargill to Auckland.
I didn't call any of these bands 'brown bands'.I am just asking some of you to have a look .My apologies to band members if I have it wrong
Yes MR Capitalrecordings I'm the kind of dimwit who cares about skin colour...I will point the finger now and then only because I find it disturbing that there's still a high proportion of maori women suffering from cancer,maori represented in prison etc.Anytime a polynesian shows up in the spotlight and it's not we're they're expected :YOU SHOULD NOTICE !!!Look at Kiri...
I was a part of the independant music scene for a long time in NZ and I paid attention...back then we didn't even have what was called 'Indie' or 'Alternative' ... we had punk,Barry jenkin and the DOLE.
OK so you don't like the phrase 'brown people'.Let's try hori ,darkie,whetu,coconut,fob,black cunt nigga,MARSHMELLOW...I've been called all of these;been told to wear white gloves etc.My mum is english/maori my dad (rip) Cook Islander.I've played music with all sorts of people from Japanese punks to Billy TK.
As Harold from The hallelujah Picassos put it ... 'every nigger is a star ... god bless The Upper hutt posse ... god bless Lance Strickland ...etc'
So before you go forming a circle just have another look...nobody said I was wrong about the bands I mentioned btw I may be WRONG maybe they're JUST KIWIS...
why not represent ...I'm asking some people to acknowledge and respect these peoples talents too bad if it makes you squeamish when it becomes racial.Maybe nothing has changed in NZ and most people are trying to " forget stereotypes" and enforce the idea that we're all just 'kiwis'...and just why is it that some of you find it ok to say half caste but not brown ???!!!how's that not a stereotype why not half breed , mulatto
Shayne apparently has maori blood.
Colleen brennan ( bass player for Solid gold Hell)
Barbara Morgan (ex Fatal Jelly Space / Lig)
Grant Fell (Children's Hour/Headless Chickens)
Alf ?? (from Chug)
These people were my 'peers' while I performed music in NZ...there were bugger all brown people playing indie music while I lived there.This was during the 80s & 90s.Traditionally we were found in other areas eg. reggae/hip hop....I was just wondering if culturally things have changed.Whether there are more involved these days.
The only cross pollination as you call it that I experienced musically was during early ska days even then it was rare as ska had some punk cultural attachments;not a popular form with brown people.
Never used to see many brown people playing 'alternative' 'indie' music or whatever you want to call it ... but now I'm seeing mint chicks , coolies ???
I live in Australia so this would be unusual ... what has changed in NZ ??
btw this is not a racial slur for those who want to get into that it's just that a particular part of kiwi music has been populated by mostly pakehas... discuss please...
Ex King Loser drummer Tribal Thunder has a new recording project.
It's called Dotdash.
New tracks are now availible for download / streaming.
http://www.mp3.com.au/Dotdash/
Some people have no life ... me neither so from the "what ever happened to dept" ... Tribal Thunder gets blogging ...some new music and some old stories ....
http://newdots.blogspot.com/
Sure.
It takes about 3 days for mp3s to be cleared and loaded @ mp3.com.Check my blog for updates
http://newdots.blogspot.com/
My regards to Dunediners...anyone ever see Celia manicini around ??
New material coming soon from ex king Loser drummer Lance Strickland a.k.a Tribal Thunder.
The new project is called Dotdash and as usual is primarily instrumentals.
Latest info -> http://newdots.blogspot.com/ also including links to mp3s.
It's been a while ...
Ex SPUD/King Loser drummer Tribal Thunder will be treading the boards again with a new band:
I Clone
The band will feature ex-members of NZ bands : Black Panthers , Swamp Goblin
With no songs over 3 minutes long this promises to be good for you busy types ....
Check the work in progess here: http://www.myspace.com/icloned
Now cook the man some bloody eggs ....
cheers