Old Hand WTF. It's not fair you know my name, and I don't know yours.
Yes Jesse, I know you forget to thank people sometimes. Particularly the person who was watching your band's back and making them a thousand dollars in the process so they could record an EP, which was that persons idea anyway. Jesse, you're a great guitarist, but give credit where credit is due, you are not the bee all and end all of The Cooltones.
I think you forgot to say thanks to the person who got you the slot at True Colours.
I'd quite like to know how much chch musicians would be prepared to pay (weekly) for a secure practice space, ie can also leave equipment there. Not just any old space, a professionally run space that also runs a musician resource centre for advice, and a creative space to hang and write and mingle with other musos, network and expand.
The question - how much would you pay? Please be realistic and bear in mind that if your band has 4 people...$10 a week each is probably doable. No silly replies please.
thanks
No need to start a silly ol' petition, The Cooltones are practising very hard to make the songs the best they can possibly be for the EP, plus they bin making the dosh so they can have it mixed professional like, this all takes time. But patience they say is a virtue and your patience will be rewarded with a kick ass EP that you can play over and over and over and over and over and over again.
The BRAT comp sounds great! Lots of really good bands and artists on it. I was at the media launch last night and it was really great to see so many people along supporting the talent that Chch has to offer. Mea did a beautiful performance with support from 3 shades of equal and then later on Fuce (now based in Aucks) rocked the house with support from Slipstream.
I don't think the band member of Slipstream who works at RDU actually performed on the track that's on BRAT, I think he came along after. He's not in the photo or the credits.
My favourite song is Restless by Fuce, I also really like Filer's Nobody's Protected.
If you don't have the CD you should definitely get it, it's only $24.95.
high lino. yu r roolly stoopid. I bin reeding yor poste end u not evein josteefide y u tink Noo Zooland moozic sux. end orll u kan doo iz speelchek evree1'z postes END DOO upSID DOWN ?????????
Does Lena O stand for Lean 'er over? Just wondering.
Now listen to me Lena O. Unlike yourself, most NZ music does not suck. Why? 1) Most of it is not manufactured marketing bollocks like the dribble that comes out of the US. 2)There are numerous genre's and within each genre is a large collection of artists all writing original, catchy, melodic, clever tunes. 3)A lot of it sounds different from overseas music.
Now if you're going to make a grandiose claim like MOST NZ MUSIC SUCKS, then you'd be wise to qualify it...do you know what that means Leno? It means saying something like "MOST NZ MUSIC SUCKS IN COMPARISON TO..." or "MOST NZ MUSIC SUCKS BECAUSE..." or "MOST NZ MUSIC SUCKS, FOR EXAMPLE...BECAUSE". Get the picture dumbass?
All of the examples you have listed don't seem to have sucked to a majority of the NZ population and the associated music industry, totally nullifying your "truth" and turning it back into an opinion.
Give us a run down on your music history and knowledge and maybe...just maybe, we'll actually give a shit about your opinion. That's all it is, don't kid yourself into thinking it's the truth. To quote a popular quote..."You can't handle the truth" That's why all you can do is fire personal (stoooooooooopid) insults around.
AND THAT MY FRIENDS, IS THE TRUTH.
//i play as a muso
i try to perform to the crowd
i think visual asthetics are a must
play good music and visually provide a symphony
Totally!
Some musicians need to realise that while they're a musician there are certain things that are expected, it's the reality of the music industry. If you're gonna be in it, you gotta work with it or be better than it, and quite frankly I don't envision any bands in the near future changing the face of the NZ music industry.
There's no need to leap around being a namby pamby wannabe rockstar, doing actions that don't relate to anything, but bands need to realise that if you're on stage, you're a performer. period.
//Stage Courtesy
that's exactly what it is Fud, you're so right. People have gone out of their way to watch and hear you play. They have not gone to watch the back of your shirt, or spend half an hour listening to you tune your instruments.
The band that I saw isn't the topic...that was all background, the topic is what came of it...the old I "just want to play music" argument, and yes some performers are shy and shyness is fine. But getting up on a stage to "perform" to an audience and then not even doing that properly because it doesn't fit in with "just wanting to play music" I believe isn't fine.
Hmm, I didn't call Dunedin musos Shoegazers anywhere...where did you get that from tclack?
It wasn't a shoegazer band either, it was actually a hard rock band. And the topic is not about the band concerned, it's about artists "just wanting to play music" when push comes to shove.
tclack is obviously not aware of what this discussion is about.
shoegazers are therefore a waste of space. I can listen to a CD and gaze at my own shoes.
I recently went to a gig by a band I was really looking forward to seeing, I'd heard lots of good things. However I was disappointed when the guitarist had his back to the audience the ENTIRE time, he played to his guitar, and between each song the bass and guitar were retuned. I felt a little ripped off, I didn't pay to see them but I went out of my way to see a 'performance' from a band who I had heard were good. A woman I was sitting with said, some people just want to play music, and I said, "Well they're in a public place, they're getting paid, people they don't know are watching them therefore they're performers aren't they?" She disagreed.
I notice many musicians "just wanna play music" which is a great attitude, it says that the artist will not be a product of half the bull shit that goes on in the industry. But if that's the case, why then, do so many of these artists seek 'performance' gigs in public places, try to sell EP's and make money? If you're happy to "just play music" then are you not happy to play it in your mates garage for 10 years? I don't think so. I'm interested to hear artists views on this.
Yeah, I was there when she won. I wasn't very impressed.
Much like the Americas Cup, to win a Tui you need a cash driven product. Unfortunately the pool of talent with money backing is too small for the Tuis to even consider acts that may be "better". Isn't it interesting when the level is reached where 'art' has no merit anymore and money talks.
It's like pissing into the wind and pushing shit up hill all in one go.
In which case this whole argument is void. The best people are winning, therefore The Tuis aren't flawed
Except that who chooses the nominees? You'll still have Anika, Che, James, etc for best whatever as the nominees. wouldn't make any difference unless there's a new pool of talent to choose from.
I say recognise these artists, but award new ones. Betty Anne Monga (Ardijah) keeps winning awards for new music that is written identically to what was done in the past...that shouldn't be allowed, I don't care who she is.
I'm not entirely sure. It's more focussed on indy stuff, but still if you're not in with the bfm crowd, you're not in on the b-net awards - despite it's NETWORK status.
It is a hard topic, for eg, with 200odd apps for new artist funding each round, 90% of these people wouldn't get a look in on an indy awards anyway, which brings us right back to square 1.
I personally...and this is just personally!! believe that the first hurdle before even worrying about awards is getting that elusive radio airplay...and getting that shithot recording, which costs the money of course. The issue should probably be shifted from "The Tuis" to how on earth does an artist to get a good start to even include Tuis in their future goals.
If I won a million dollars...which I won't cos I don't enter anything. I would start a funding body for new artists. 1 track per artist. I don't believe in record companies applying for funding to recoup the costs of recording albums, that just makes the known artists stronger and of course priming them for the Tuis.
Record companies have enough bloody money to sustain themselves. After all The music industry is one of the biggest money spinners in the world.
I've gone way off topic
yep, it's totally the marketing.
How big would Anika be without $$$$ behind her. Not very. Sorry Anika, no disrespect to your talent, but lets be realistic here.
The way I see it, the music industry is like the old(still current???) 6th form assessment. a certain percentage of people will get 1's and a certain percent will get 2's and so on. Only those that get the 1's can pass GO and be eligible for a Tui.
There are definite levels in the industry
1. funding for new artists to get radio airplay
2. funding for videos - only available to those that have had radio airplay
3. funding for albums - only available to those that are signed by a label
4. repeat steps 1-3 5 times
5. then...and only then could you even look at being considered for a Tui.
The point I'm trying to make is that there is a hierarchy. Unless you've had somewhere in the vicinity of 3- 5 great songs (not including new artist award) on commercial radio you're unlikely to be noticed. And you're only going to get 5 songs on radio if you've got at least $3000 for a decent recording, or get funding. And you're only going to get funding if you're already signed, already have a radio hit or you're one of the 10 out of 210 that get new artist funding. Those people that are up for Tuis, have been at it for years and years, they know the people, they know the industry, they know what songs get funding, they've been overseas etc etc.
But what annoys me is that yes we know Che, Anika, The Finn Whanau, The Feelers, Zed Ardijah etc are our countries (subject to personal opinion) best musical talent. By not giving them awards every year we're not saying they're crap at all, we're saying that they're possibly too big for this award and should be recognised for their outstanding talent but not awarded again and again.
At the end of the day it's all about money. Money=marketing, marketing=exposure, exposure=more people buying and voting for you. I bet there's an Anika soundalike out there, with maybe better songs, but she's got the record co, and the money behind her and thats why she's recognised for awards and no one else is.
Maybe someone should do an indy music award to represent the BULK of the NZ musical talent. It's actually possible, just need the attendance numbers.
Thats my rant anyway.
Doubt it. Every good press release has some sort of hook designed to apease the audience that is recieving the press release...that sentance is their hook. Though I hope I'm wrong.
I'd love to see the press release they fired around internally within TVNZ.
I got the same email.
I kindly replied "So we'll be expecting some more crap reality TV"
Did you notice that it was the "Website Manager" who replied. some web nerd who got handed a press release and asked to regurgitate out to all of us. What a fucking cheek.
Financially means, not enough advertisers want to have their ads within M2, nothing to do with programming at all. It's all bullshit.
If you're into German death metal, then you'll think German Death Metal is good.
If you're into marketing driven pop, then you'll think marketing driven pop is good.
if you're into NZ music, you'll think NZ music is good.
If you're not into NZ music, you won't think it's good.
If NZ music wasn't any good, International record co's would laugh at us, instead they're headhunting us. No not all NZ music is good, but neither is all USA, UK, Asian, etc music. It all depends on what YOU'RE listening to. And if you think any artist from anywhere in the world can match McCartney, Lennon or Hendrix, then you're going to be disappointed. NZ does well considering how little we are.
Now now. CUNT EYES is just a nasty piece of work. I was merely looking for a little recognition of the work I did as the Cooltones manager. Please, if you will, imagine doing something you're really proud of for a group of people you really like, and getting no thanks. My reason for being is to help people where I can. And yes, any normal human being feels pleasure at being praised, and a lack of pleasure at being taken for granted. There was only one Cooltone who couldn't extend gratitude and I was simply miffed about it and took it to the forum. I love the Cooltones, and I tried in all my power to give them the exposure they deserved. So please don't put me in the same category as THE COOLTONE HATING CUNT EYES