I think most of music videos from whatever genre are pretty bloody good-right up there with our music in fact! I see plenty of US videos with heaps of $$s thrown at them that bore the socks of me I love the slice of life nesian boys vids, the hyper real trinity roots little things vid, and even the lets come up with another original idea goodshirt vids, ed keeps turning out one great jakob video after another great to see a music video producer looking to film for inspiration rather than churning out another formula rock number
i don't see them closing down any cricket or rugby games or attempting to control the drinking or after match rampages after games valve is an easy target pity been to some great gigs there
"Pigeon holing music and bands is fucking elitist"
get over yourself alt is a word a description with a meaning and that's good it helps us to COMMUNICATE with one another alt works for me jamie has an alt show on m2 evry week that plays better bloody nz music than the nz segment and a lot of other stuff that i find worth waiting up for because it is an alternative to the mainstream and i can find stuff in there that shakes things up a little alt is what cornelius and the clean have in common they can take us outside the square to where things have a bit more spark
in napier the venue is dirty old ofla's there's a backpackers within crawling distance look out for looma, jakob, ld3, blackbirds all well worth making a detour for and the local scene is really friendly so say hey
kids like popular culture they like what they see on the telly like rubicon and april lavigne and eminen whether its good or bad THEY JUST WANT TO FIT IN its just a pity that fitting in here is such a narrow band of music it's perfectly normal to go from liking the spice girls one year and marilyn manson the next some people go from wanting to fit in to wanting to rebel -discovering other music is just a normal part of growing up and discovering what you think for yourself or if you want to think for yourself- the people i can't understand are people who don't listen to or make music i think its an essential part of being a human being and kids and grown ups should be encouraged to try all sorts of music
i heard from vic that brunettes, salmonella dub and blindspott are playing 3/3, 5/3 and 6/3 rspvly..not my wish-list or what i'd expect from orientation although i guess the brunettes have a bit of a "college band" sound and I am looking forward to seeing them live
i think you've got it the wrong way round the underground or alternative to the mainstream is where new life comes from to breathe into the stale old mainstream which is the usual diet of radio
i agree with squared its rare to find something new and tasty on the radio (or other maintream media like print or telly the M2 alt show can turn up a few gems and i like the music stuff in that wgtn skater mag)
i guess where radio has influence is $$$ not only APRA payments but funding bodies like NZon Air and Creative NZ rate radioplay, its a jaded old system that lacks conviction to spot real talent and tends to fund things that sound like other overseas stuff on the radio, but even these bodies must realise that the most influential sounds to come from nz don't fit this mould ( no pun intended bob)
luckily yes there is the internet and my personal favorite is the late night calls to drag you out to a gig thats a stonker and friends who pass music around or get out there and make it!
anyone out there know how the datsuns got to play south by southwest in austin and have they said anywhere what they got out of that industry exposure?
NME AWARDS TOUR 2003 to feature THE DATSUNS, THE POLYPHONIC SPREE, INTERPOL and THE THRILLS. 13-date event traditionally showcases hot new talent and tours annually during January and February.
well stop the traffic and roll out the red carpet looma AND the lambs this is more exciting than the return of frodo baggins, this isn't a december 1st fools joke is it, please? stink buzz boy meant to say nice writing! to your thing about the last lambs gig was but i was struck dumb at the thought of never seeing a lambs gig again hope someone is putting together a record of the so-called golden era of wellington music your piece would sit well and the lambs are one of the all-time greats!
rock IS the new rock! pacifier played a blistering set in napier last night (people talk about the professionalism and energy of this band playing 6 gigs in a row to pull out a performance like that says it all) "comfort me" "home again" "my mind's sedate" were all complete stonkers which also says something for a band that can put new energy into their many anthems phil knight belts out the guitar version of cyclone bola the most hellish unforgetable somehow hooky riffs you may not walk on water boys but like iggy you walk on crowds
"could you not see i..i am not a complete fuckwit, ...i personally love curtis's voice."
i'm known for my gullibility an easy target!
soldierboy i'm with you on the melancholy babies smiths, (robert and morrisey) nick cave and i'd add sparklehorse.
thanks aka..have minisnap's nova on a rip compilation all rollicking guitars, clear and true kiwiana vox ...divine will hunt down in my pocket
bats nz music site says "Singer-songwriter Robert Scott works from Dunedin, sending his song ideas up to Christchurch for Paul Kean, Kaye Woodward (who DO live in each others' pockets) and Malcolm Grant to fine-tune. And where real bands play all the time and know instinctively what the next move is, The Bats have often kept things deliberately loose,"
on that loose note I'd say the home of kiwi music is a moveable feast coming to a town near me soon i hope!
"explain how joy divison weren't original Andoru... cause they sound like new order but with a crap singer blink"
there's a bit of new order disorder here, sorry blink this doesn't qualify as a reason joy division are the originals, new order are joy division without their deceased singer (a long way from crap..melancholy maybe, an average voice pushed into greatness)
joy division date from 1977ish new order c1980 not a hate-able offence!
we tried singing kumbiya (loved that comment) and making boy scout salutes but hate is better! surely anyone who stands up on stage has enough ego to take a bit of flak and enough sense to realise that if you do something worth doing some people will love it and become your loyal fans and some people will hate it and they don't even need a good reason feelings are a bit more bloody primal than that esp when it comes to music, my friends 13 year old daughter knows i hate eminem and rubicon (don't suppose they're losing any sleep) and she thinks iggy pop looks like jason gun why should we avoid slagging one another's taste its fun!
anyone who remembers jps is not that young! suck on flex or bleeding star next time you have a quiet moment..
paul kean where are you i was bloody sure the bats used to lurch down to dunners in the early 80s from chch before robert scott moved to my old hometown, and paul and kay were rattling round the uni in chch a year ago when i passed thru always thought they were from chch so i stand corrected mind you what makes a band dunedin birth certs passports soemthing in the drinking water? is bailter space a chch or ny band really?
don't cambridge's datsuns, te awamutu's finn bros, upper hutts posse all show us nz is fertile ground every place i've lived has had talent, the scene is small incestuous but full of happy wanderers like bailter space who make their home wherever they want to be, ny, melbourne, patea or huntly, scratch the surface of our own napier scene jakob, looma, gramsci and not everyone has their roots here and they probably won't stay here.. is there a really hot nz music place right now nothing above convinces me of that so far re chch what about the bats, bailter space, 6 impossible things, jps exp?
nz music forums are a bit like karaoke
some people can't wait to jump in others stand back for a laugh but in the end everyone wades in egos out of control judgement impared and starting to believe their performance is better than everyone elses
the whole point of this is everyone gets a go whether they can spell, are in a band, hate other people's taste (doesn't everyone!) bring on the haters or at least a bloody good argument you know what happens when jack becomes a dull boy! theres a great aussie book called bliss about harry bliss and how one day he gets the greatest feeling.. it's not love it's anger...the source of a lot of kickarse music!
alright! thanks paris i'm now the proud owner of a live @ active recording of e-thing
sometimes nzmusic visitor and FOP
the datsuns and white stripes are said to be great mates.mutual fans would love to see them do some nz gigs together!
kia ora teina, think livid shows us we are out of the fucking loop i'm a bit tired of emails from oz about brmc, cooper temple clause, morrisey, int noise consp, mogwai, mercury rev, supergrass, trail of dead thank christ for swimming around in our own pool of talent
trinity roots/ spearhead
the datsuns/ The Undertones
d4/ the buzzcocks
looma/ guns n roses
reformed lambs/ dinosaur jr
jakob/ motorhead
3ds/ neil young
odessa/prince
from the hb underground try heart shaped ashtray/ with detroit's jack and meg white!
and thanks for reminding me a year in the big shitty means i get orientation
Talk about deja vu or parallel universes, nz friend sent this from melbourne age re vines,.."For the first time since Men At Work in 1983, American Rolling Stone this month had an Australian band on the cover. The headline was "Rock Is Back: meet the Vines".
Britain's NME music magazine had the same band on the cover earlier this year declaring them the greatest rock band in the world. Capitol Records in the USA signed them during the recording of their first album. That album recently debuted at number three on the UK charts and at number 11 in the USA.
The Vines are the hippest band in the world at the moment, the most successful group in a movement that has brought rock out of browbeating angst and reminded millions that you can have guitars and enjoy it too. If you've heard of them at all, you would be lucky to have come across them on local radio and almost certainly have never seen them perform.
In fact, the Australian edition of Rolling Stone didn't even put the Vines on its current cover, preferring Kurt Cobain, the Nirvana lead singer who died eight years ago. Editor Elissa Blake says it was a purely commercial decision: the Vines have sold fewer than 30,000 copies of their debut album, Highly Evolved, in Australia, aren't getting played on commercial radio and an Australian act hardly anyone knows isn't going to shift as many magazines as one long dead American."
my first exp of the new bodega yes there were a lot of us out of towners hdu are a magnet and worth the journey sad to see the dirty old bodega go but glad no sound police interupted HDU enjoyed your comments trystero and agree
"that Dino Karlis is one of NZ's most distinctive (and best, natch) drummers, both live and on record. "
always thought of hdu as a sonic guitar band but a better sound venue and mix on the night and the man seated at the back was levitating!
i rate last exit to garageland as a smart and classic album that managed to find it's own voice
"i was a teenage drunken suicide and i wrote poetry too
now it all kind of disgusts me and 2 of them were about you
everybody could fly but you'd better not try
doesn't matter who you talk to everybody's given up
nude star
i'd desert you in a second but i don't know where you are"
naked star deserves to be an anthem esp in the current "datsuns are huge shall we start clobbering them yet" climate i say the nude stars/emperors are wearing clothes i hope they rule long and hard!
It was great to finally get a glimpse of cassette lucky old melbourne my only criticism is that wellington audiences know paul trigg is capable of a lot more dare i say i missed the noddling guitar sound, the distinct kiwi vernacular, breaking loose of the bloody chorus verse chorus noose of paul's genius cassette is a great band and vehicle for tom's talents but i don't see paul fully stretched in this band...yet