LOVED Warren G when I was at High School.

Hahaha. Sweet as.

From what I've heard/seen Ozzy has problems using home appliances on the programme. I guess that's what you get from a guy in his mid-50's. Hell my Dad can't set the video player to record either and I'm sure he doesn't know what a DVD is. Its just funny cos Ozzy is rich and famous and he's obviously taken too much drugs in him time.

From what I heard, Ozzy's wife is always pissing herself with laughter about this everyday things Ozzy does, and thought it would be a great idea to get the cameras in there.

I think its quite cool on some level that he's done this... he may be rich but I don't think this programme is about "look at my jetski, look at my 15 cars, look at my Olympic sized swimming pool" cos if he did that, it would be wank.

I'm just sick of hearing about them.

Theres way to many people that have posted on this forum who are far far too defensive of the band. This never was a direct attack on Shihad but all the Shihad fans took it that way. Not ONCE has there been, I should point out, a mention of WHY Shihad deserve the hype - WHY are they as good as you all say they are. You all have just said "Shihad have worked so hard and everyone likes them and they rock". Thats about it. I like having healthy debates with people, specially over musical integrity, but people who have defended Shihad on this board haven't made me question my views in any way or shared new insight.

I doubt I'll post on this thread again.

Don't tell me what I think.

I think its quite clear what I think on several different levels just by reading this page - which shouldn't really be summed up by you Joe in a couple of sentences.

Yeah this is turning petty... my fault too these last few, Stefan.

I don't think anyone is really deserving enough to be called NZ's number one rock band. I don't think we're big enough to worry about stuff like that.

Maybe we should just say Split Enz or something.

Its not based on one song.

Back the fuck up.

Yeah well this was the third time I got such an email before I bothered to act on it cos I thought it would be such a game.

But after getting three emails about it in a week I thought... hey maybe this IS for real.

Curiosity ALWAYS kills the cat.

livvietapper

To answer your questions, first off yeah I do think that Creed are in the same league as Britney and boybands. Sure, they may write their own songs and play their own instruments. But the one thing they all have in common to me is that they target their songs to the masses. They all spend US$1million + on their videos, they all have an overproduced sound and they all have hoardes of marketing people working for them.

I don't think its a crime for any of these kind of artists to make a fortune this way, cos thats what they set out to achieve in the first place and good on them, I guess.

To answer your second question, I like a wide range of music. I have my main roots in classic rock - Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Led Zeppelin, The Clash, The Sex Pistols etc. To be honest the main music genres I like are metal, punk, hardcore and NZ bands such as those on the Flying Nun label (in the past and today) and those doing good things on student radio. I don't want to open up MY own personal musical taste up for a debate as I'm sure all the Shihad fans are going to want to pick it apart. But thats up to you. I will say that from many years working in both the music and radio industries, though, I have developed a wide toleration for all genres of music be it pop, jazz, rock, whatever. I always will listen to something before I bag it and I ALWAYS consider what the artist is trying to achieve in presenting the music before I judge it. I mean, if say, No Doubt's new single is just aiming to be a booty shaking grrrl song, then I'll take that into account.

I think its both... fan hype and media hype.

One thing I've learnt from the last few days in creating this forum thread is that Shihad fans are uber-defensive and perhaps should question the way they react to such attacks on the band.

Sure, you can like them... but I feel that the majority of Shihad fans like them cos they "rawk" and bullshit like that. If you look at them for their pure musical ability and songwriting skills, and realise that yes, there probably are better musicians and songwriters in this country, you may find what ultra, Andoru and I are saying a little more easy to take in.

Your reasons for liking Shihad are obviously your own, but I am guessing that the majority of fans like em for their sheer mainstream and commercial value - they write songs that are on the whole easy to like, and this is becoming more and more so as they progress. I mean, the day Comfort Me was released, I heard it on ZM. ZM, a station that picks up on songs that they know 1000's of 12 year olds are going to like instantly. Theres no mucking around on stations like these to think "oh yeah the drumming is excellent on this piece" or "the songwriting and lyrics are outstanding".

But hey, if thats how Shihad want to write their songs - with easy money and easy audiences in mind - then let them go for it.

I just suggest their fans such as manamana should think about more things than their easy appeal to the mainstream before they label them NEW ZEALAND'S NUMBER ONE ROCK BAND.

Cos I would think that NEW ZEALAND'S NUMBER ONE ROCK BAND would have a lot more to offer musically, artistically and instrumentally.

His name is Tim Skedden, I think.

He's in another band called GST I'm pretty sure.

Okay so I get this email in my inbox. "Someone likes you !!! Come to this website, guess who it is, you may have a match!!!"

Fair enough, I should just ignore stuff like this, specially since I'm (happily) in a longterm relationship but curiosity got the better of me.

Turns out you have to enter like a million guesses by entering their first name and email addresses. You guessed it, all these people got the same message as I got. "Go to this website, someone likes you!!!!"

All it is, I can gather, is some bullshit super database creator. So DON'T let curiosity get the better of you and do yourself and your whole address book a favour and avoid this site if you get an email.

Anyone else had a problem like this?

//They haven't made jack didly shit where it supposedly counts.

I'm glad you said supposedly.

I don't know any true artist who craves money/bitches/possessions/millions of record sales more than just playing music that they love and getting their message to as many people as they can and to simply get it heard.

I dunno what Shihad's motivation is with their new record but lets hope that this worked up hype doesn't mean they want to be the next Creed/Limp Bizkit band. To be honest, their choice of record company/management concerns me a little. But if its what they want to do and they can gain success in a credible way, then good on them.