Well, I believe that there is a difference between ignorance and belief. You cannot go on your high horse and and say that you believe in the bible AND evolution butterfly, becuase if you did believe in evolution (or even a theolosised version) you would therfore accept that humans co-evolved with apes, meaning apes and humans were, at one point on the evolutionary ladder, the same organism! Now what you were saying could be transfered over to, lets say, a belief that the earth is flat, and that there are no other planets, stars, solar systems ect. You could say that there was no mention of any such thing in the bible, and that all that exists above is heaven, and all that exists below is hell. We have a great deal more evidence to suggest otherwise, just like we have a great deal of evidence suggesting that the 7 day creationist's answer to how everything came to exist is untrue.
Can't you see, it's the same thing. I'm sure you would have been one of those people accusing scientists of herecy if you were alive back in those times!
And one more thing, I do have something against people thinking that humans are divine beings, because that arrogant way of thinking is the reason that the environment is in the fucked up state that it is today. "We are divine, and these other creatures are not, so our comfort means more than anything else. Lets go and kill off every animal and plant that doesn't serve a direct purpose to us!"
You know, other people live on this planet too, and when your belief systems branch out and fuck things up for everybody, that's when I have a problem.
thanks for the appology.
I never generalised and said (or meant to imply) that there is nothing wrong with pot though.
In Brisbane, there is a band called the Jandals (sorry NZ is I spelled it wrong), made up of Australian members, who cover NZ, flying nun music, and on stage they all wear jandals (in Australia we call them thongs; and having gone to their shows I can tell you that they are dearly loved around here. So, maybe you Kiwi's have to realise that us Aussies like your music more than you think we do!
okay butterfly, you win, you never said that you didn't like it when people generalise about cristian bands. But, you did however, demonstrate it.
EVIDENCE A: GENERALISATION ABOUT CHRISTIAN MUSIC
man i hate christain bands they all sound the fucking same
well if it does it for u!
Judy
EVIDENCE B - BUTTERFLY'S OBVIOUS ANNOYANCE WITH THE GENERALISATION
well that shows how many christian bands you've listened to then doesnt it Judy!!!.....if you actually followed any, you'd find that each has their own distinctions just as a non christian band....just being christian doesnt make the music different....
BuTteRfLY...
there you go.
Oh, and just so you know, I usually don't smoke pot.
It just goes to show how narrow minded you can be if you use marijuana as a scapegoat for all these problems. NEWS FLASH, it's not chemically addictive. Why don't you start talking about alcohol, which contributes to many many more problems. Do think that because it's legal it's alright? Or is it becuase Jesus turned water into wine? I am sure I know many more people who smoke pot than you do, and yes, I'll agree with you, if overindulged it can have a detrimental effect. But if you are going to say this about pot, be sure to mention alcohol, junk food, perscription drugs, non perscription drugs, poppy seeds, exercise, non-exercise, RELIGION and probably every other human activity you can think of.
Oh, and yeah, why don't you go over to Amsterdam for a while. People smoke pot everywhere, you can get it in Cafés, and you tell me if the whole fucking society has "fuct up their lifes because of it."
GOD DAMN IT people like you can PISS ME OFF!!!!!??!?!?!?!??!@$
Ummm... okay....
"i dont wanna think i come from no dirty arse monkey either....they're cute...but not a relation..."
The fact that we are a relation to monkeys and apes is fundamental to the theory of evolution butterfly.
Yeah, Melbourne is an amazing place. If New Zealand wasn't so overcome with dance music (I'm gonna get drilled for this) maybe all the bands that moved over to Melbourne would have stayed in NZ.
you HATE it when people generalise about christians and cristian bands, but when it comes to people who smoke pot, you go right ahead and call them 'fucked up druggies'. I would argue that christianity has fucked up many more lives than pot has! So there!
And I would think twice before calling all people who smoke pot not normal. You may be surprised at who smokes pot.
I thought that the moshing/crowd surfing decision was amazing! God bless the person who dreamt up the D baracade - pure genius. New order were absolutely amazing thanks to that D baracade. When I saw the cure at Livid, I thought my insides were about to spew out of my mouth, and exausted corpses were being pried out of the mosh left right and center. I believe that moshing and crowd surfing is NOT ESSENTIAL, and if everybodies wellbeing is the price of this fucking annoying ritual... fuck it off then, ban it! If people were really there to see the band playing they would spend so much time pushing people around and shoving their arses in peoples faces!
Oh, and jimi, don't be so sure that those people grabbing your arse were girls...
I don't know what pot you have smelled (maybe someone farted and told you it was pot smoke), but never have I smelled pot and thought of a toilet. And what if pot does smell a bit? The people who smoke it are mellowed out, and generally more appreciative of the music; I'd swap a big, sweaty, moshing man for a pot smoker at any concert.
Oh yeah, the smell of sweat usually annoys me alot more than pot smoke.
ummm, butterfly, do you really not believe in evolution? do you really not believe that humans co-evolved with apes? Hey, I'm all for religion and personal belief systems, but damn, that's just fucking ignorant! I have just two words for you - carbon + dating!
I think it is possible people like you would like to believe in an all powerful creationist being that pulls all the strings in this world, simply to diminish their own sense of personal responsibility and guilt.
two out of three of the members of LOW are christian, mormon in fact, and I think that they are a great indie band all the same.
Butterfly, bands can just happen to be christian, I liked LOW before I found out that the creative forces behind the band were mormon. Like they say on their website, they are christian, but they wouldn't call LOW a christian rock band.
Oh and if you say anything critical of Destiny's Child again soliderboy, I'll kick your arse! hahaha
okay, I understand and agree with most of what you're saying... kind of. I must repeat though, that the essence of what I was saying is that there needs to be a more joined AUS/NZ music scene.
And, oh, since you decided to draw quotes from my manifesto, I thought I might do the same.
"and just before I get criticised, I do realise that there are a great deal of factors that conspire to make my perfect vision more complicated than I have cared to mention, but I should draw everybody's attention to US/Canadian bands - when they tour their own countries, they usually swing in a few shows in their neighbouring countries!"
I do understand all these factors deadc, I am in a band, and never once did I say or mean to imply that such a task falls upon the bands alone. I think that if a band is big in Australia or New Zealand, to a saturation point so to speak, that the progressive next step is across the Tasman! And that is something bands and record labels and whoever else should start to realise.
Oh yeah, what you said about HDU and other such acts not meeting costs, let me tell you what a load of crap that is. All of my friends know who HDU, bailter space, king loser and flying nun are... and I am in Brisbane, one of the not so with it capital cities. If HDU can afford to go and tour over in the UK, they can afford Australia too. Do you think Australians are immune to good music? No of course not!
And just one more thing... you could have said 'betchadupa' to me lets say 3 weeks ago, and I wouldn't have known what the fuck you were talking about. But since touring Australia twice over, they are breaking out of obscurity... think about that!
Oh, just one more thing... me and a few friends have come up with a bit of an idea, and I think I may as well tell nzmusic about it... What do you guys think of an AUS/NZ band exchange? Where bands from either side of the Tasman kind of swap places for a while. Of course, it would have to be well publicised within the music community... but yeah.
Anyway, something to think about at least.
i love it! i like how the music keeps on taking things one step further.
I am in Brisbane... not the most exciting place in Australia... but things seem to be happening here (finally!!!)
oh? so my heart felt spiel was for nothing?
although, you might have slightly mis-understood what I meant by 'neglect'.
But still, the essence of what I was trying to say is that both countries should try and create more a of singular music community.
too raunchy for daytime telly??!?!!!! From what I have seen of NZ television, that sort of thing should be spoon-fed to toddlers in the early education programming slots!
First of all, I am an Australian (and yes I like NZ music!), but something that just doesn't make sense is why New Zealand bands neglect touring Australia (and visa versa). BOTH Australia and NZ have amazing musical acts, and yet these acts would rather play at shitty venues in shitty little towns, than take a 3-hour plane trip across the Tasman and play bigger and (dare I say) more deserved gigs! Too many times have I seen inspiring Aussie acts playing at an RSL along the east coast, when they could be sharing their music with a whole new group of people! I should also mention that for most Aussie acts, flying to NZ would attract a lesser travelling time than if they were to fly to a much more popular option (Perth), something to think about!
You have no idea how much I would love to see HDU (over here they are tremendously respected), and when hear about them playing shows in NZ that would attract only a tiny portion of the crowds that they would play to in lets say Sydney or Melbourne, well it really kills me!!!!!!
And just before I get criticised, I do realise that there are a great deal of factors that conspire to make my perfect vision more complicated than I have cared to mention, but I should draw everybody's attention to US/Canadian bands - when they tour their own countries, they usually swing in a few shows in their neighbouring countries!
OZ and NZ must to stop this jealous music game they are both playing and start sharing! When and only when we do this can we become the creative music force of which we are truly capable!
Please note: I am not against bands playing small town shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you make it sound as though I am against believing in god! I simply said that if you believe in evolution, you must accept the ape thing.
and why do you think it is hard to keep faith in light on scientific knowledge? the church used to believe that red roses were made red by god to remind us of jesus' bloody sacrafice. people would have questioned their faith when a scientific reason for the red colouration of roses was explained scientifically. in actual fact science and religion don't necessarily have to have anything to do with each other. what does it matter if you said "whatever happened, happened becuase of god." why are people so eagar to take the bible literaly? adam and eve had two sons, but how did he two sons procreate? the bible is full of contradictions. my catholic school taught me that the adam and eve story was a parable.