...So 5 million...live in castles...
...and the sandflies get stored in...a second chamber in Parliament?
Tru, U should have put on the poll 'SOMETHING THAT SELLS' because thats basically what it is.
//as soon as you ask the question, you are already showing the limitations of the argument
Nothing more needs to be said.
//WillNZ, do you think that if a singer wants to make a piano noise, and maybe sing three notes at once, then using a piano is just a shortcut?
AND MAYBE SING THREE NOTES AT ONCE?!
that's just being plain silly :P
//they're the only way to actually achieve the result you're after.
Exactly!!!
//My opinion is that this whole short-cut thing isn't necessarily the biggest question... it's why anyone has to feel 'cheated' if they find out how you made your sound...
Very true. Which is why I'm thinking, look, we could go into a huge theoretical debate about the origins of sound etc, but as lCajMo says right at the end of this post, "Its the end result that matters". Things like computers can be used for tasks other than word processing and image downloading. Same for guitars, they can be used for playing or smashing over peoples heads on Wrestling.
It's not cheating, its making the most of what you have, while doing what you love to do.
Enjoy music folks.
Gud Luck NZ Muso for NZ Idol, hey I didn't get in so i went to the Hutt and busked in front of all those a$$holes heheh...
Wat u gonna sing?
Yea man, tru, u have a point, it does seem to be getting more crowded
//too many people think they can come here, establish their lives & claim their spot in a country that belongs to others who have been here their entire lives..
Say hi to the Maori with that one heheheh
Have a gud 1 m8
//Using a computer is no kind of shortcut in that context, it's a way to get around limitations (if you want to see it that way) of the physical world.
So its not a shortcut, but it is?!
Sweet then, say the same thing twice :P
lol
Surved? Lol it looked like surveyed, i was thinkin 'wat u on gurl' heh
Just walk in like you own the shop, because as customers we're basically entitled to have whatever we want...how could they tell that i was a millionare? So its their loss if they don't serve, but if they don't, be persistent, because its not your job to get pissed off at them. Its the other way round, hehe :P
// I guess it depends if you think music needs to have riffs, discernible rhythm etc. There's been 80
// years of music that doesn't rely on this stuff.
yea music IS in the mind of the creator, but i can hardly think of many successful songs that have followed the through-composed method, which is why riffs exist in many shapes or forms. Otherwise, how are you going to remember the song? Think of any song, eg 50 Cent in da Club, OutKast's Hey Ya and Brooke Fraser's melodic line in Better...there are key things you remember about those songs, whether you like it or not. Personally i got sick of ppl blasting 50cent, but im asking what kind of music you are talking about....like, 20th century stuff which use 12 tone scales etc, electronic blips etc? Even within the blips of some songs, the rhythm can become addictive.
//I guess all I was thinking was it sounds like you don't like computers because they don't sound like physical instruments played in real time.
I guess its when you compare MIDI to live stuff. MIDI gives an IMPRESSION of the ACTUAL sound, but I would not trust it in commercial songs :P. I DO understand that computers don't sound like live instruments, which is why sometimes i choose not to use them in particular circumstances. I think of a MIDI more as a blueprint or a guide - its small and easy to carry around on disks or sending over the net, I'm not going to send 2.3 gigs of mathematically structured riffs around the net, thats impractical. MIDIs are much smaller and allow for greater flexibility when it comes to editing. Also, you don't have to wait for huuge demo tracks to load, its just way FASTER.
If I wanted to further a MIDI composition, then yea, I might think of using a more advanced system like Cakewalk or Fruityloops, with their own sampled sounds. I just think its up to the person - what they are trying to achieve through the piece and how it is structured, and what equipment they want to use. Don't get me wrong, I use computers ALL THE TIME. But with MIDI systems like sibelius, i've used it for a while and made some good stuff on it but would not release it, because the sound is too fake. You can get away with it, but its not recommended. Similarly, with synth apps and prerecorded riffs, I use that too, but for synth-based songs like rap backings.
Thing with that is that people can grab one prerecorded guit riff, one prcd bassline, one prcd drum track and voila, instant drumtrack to repeat over and over and over again, adding in a few prcd melodic lines here and there. Does anyone think there is anything wrong with that?
Live instruments will always rule, because if there were no computers at least u have ur voice :)
la la la la....dayum that sounds good!
HIP HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!
Yeeeyah!!!! That's the dayum sheeeyat!! But u know what, one thing I can't stand is IMITATORS.
Can i give a piece of advice from a very loving fan of music, right...
You can have favourite rappers, favourite songs etc but if u want to be a hip hop artist, ffs do it properly!! The thing is we don't want more King Kapisi's or Nesian Mystiks because they are finely established artists with a pure distinctive SOUND. Make sure that whatever you make up is your own. It's not about whether other people like it or not, its whether you like it. Believe in urself and do the hard yards, u know Eminem didn't become Eminem by imitating some other rapper.
Lol CJmo or wateva ur name is (sorry its like early in tha mornin!!!it all good to, stop, drop and sleeeep!)
Yea so wat u sayin is NZ Pop=4 mil approx, so it should stay there?
Stop the tourists comin in yea, lose on tourism etc
Politicians, naah they can go back the hell where they came from
Visiting aunties and uncles...well...theres always the internet right?
Returning family members, whoah, sorry, sign says 'NZ full' cant you read? Ull have to wait for a spot to open up im afraid. NEXT!
Yea, stop them comin in, thats the spirit! :)
Tru bro, i know this is 5 months later, but who cares.
Nothings original nowadays and it never will be. People are running out of ideas now, imagine where they will be in 20 years. That's also a reason to hold onto our NZ culture, because it looks like the music industry is running around the world trying to introduce new flavours (reggae, now indian, could be pacific or NZ next)
So before you talk about how 'original' some band is, remember that ur just repeating what someone else said before you. It's probably the hypocrite syndrome.
Yea btw NZ MUSIC IS ROCKIN RITE NOW!!! I LOVE IT!!
(Specially that song i dont even know the name of it, the one where the camera spins around the room and changes different colours) 'I can understand your sayin' are the last lyrics :P
and Adeaze rock aye, tha maaantis, keep up the quality work brothaz :)
Nezian MystiK, King Kapisi, Scribe, u name it, i bet even now they influencing young artists who never thought they had a show in the world to thinking 'how many dudez u know flow like dis?! like dis?!'
Can't wait to see our future, its in good hands :)
Well when u say original flavour what do u mean by that?
I know, its a question a little hard to answer, but its a distinctive one. You know, I think we could start making it distinctively NZ by starting to make our lyrics a bit more NZ style, that would be cool. Imagine hearing a band that sounds awesome on the radio using nationalised words like 'dairy'and 'foreshore'...(note the "Band that sounds awesome" bit or it would be a bit cheesy)
What im getting at is maybe we need to spend more time looking at ourselves, our culture, and what we bring to the world stage that is distinctively NZ. Culture, not as in Maori/Pakeha 'Foreshore'Culture, but the nature of what makes us NZ. Language? Sense of humour? Tall poppy syndrome?
(This may be shit far out but as always, i don't give a shit) maybe the answer lies in the nature of our country. Go somewhere to a NZ Location, sit in quiet and try to come up with a song then. Wouldn't hurt 2 try. Besides, you get to see NZ Scenery if nothing else.
And who knows maybe the NZ Gods might throw a song ur way :P
Well I don't personally listen to punk nor try to understand it, but i guess its the same as an old person trying to understand Hip hop and the 'booom' that seems to emanate from youths' cars nowadays.
Fashion accessory? Hah. Doubt it.
Lol Limegreen, dude, u talkin about MIDI, Yea I do transcribing onto computer from my real guit, but trust me, i know what it sounds like and it sounds like Shit. I'd HATE to use it as drumtracking behind live instruments. Therefore, would you expect me to use sounds prerecorded by some other guitarist using his sampling as my own?
NO WAY!
I been playin guit for ages man, come up with my own shit on my own guit. And the reason why I recorded it onto computer was so I could burn it onto CD so I could take it anywhere and practice against it. Point.
heather Im supporting ur statement dude
//But how many successful rock musicians have (and use) years and years of theory and practical training, letters following their names, spend six hours a day practising?
Quite a few, I'd imagine. If its not theory, (which has probably been learned and is now being applied in their band) Then its practice, practice, practice. A band has to practice a song to keep it tight. The right amount of practice = right amount of solidity.
//In my mind, there's little difference in 'click click click' and 'strum strum strum', or even 'la la la'.
That could actually be a valid point, noone knows. But the concept is all the same, comparing the two when coming up with a song, right - With a guit in hand, you could come up with the maddest riff and go 'dayum where did that come from' which is what happens ALOT with really catchy stuff, and with computers its like 'click click click, edit edit edit' whoah shit that sounds phat, better use that. In my situation I came up with my guit riff out of nowhere, and created the drumtrack on computer to match the syncop of the guit phrasing.
But yea, in a sense u right Heather - Except on comp, any old f00 could come along, click click click, and voila, a self-titled masterpiece, which is where I THINK most people are arguing for this exact point. That any old Jimbob Sonny can create masterpieces nowadays with absolutely no ear to music, except for the fact that it doesn't sound WRONG and it sounds phat. (No offence 2 those who learnt to compose like that, hey, good for u ;)
Whereas with the live ear, u gotta learn that urself. And once you have that, I believe that its the most powerful musical tool of all.
Yea, but i only reckon romantic works if ur good @ it...
i tend to want to be more direct in the approach, know wat i want and juss go 4 it aye.
Barrys pretty slick, but hes not alive no mo....
He always was there,
adding bass to the night,
Now the love boat has sailed;
Bon Voyage Barry White...
goes like this
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/ then /
Logic :D