Don't get me wrong, there are some talented bands in NZ right now however it doesn't mean the NZ Music Industry is a bit anal. I mean NZ Music Month had really cool T Shirts but you have to be a celebrity to get one....I think that is ripe and just one example of the tunnel vision in this country. Anyone else out there feel the same? If you are pro NZ Music and think I am trashing NZ Music keep your comments to yourself
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Derez heaps of good music in
Derez heaps of good music in NZ, but most fuckwits don't listen to em! NZ music month is lame as well!!!!
i think- a forget it
i think- a forget it
u suk!
u suk!
I think that if you only want to talk ...
I think that if you only want to talk to people who agree with you, then you've made a mistake coming into this neck of the woods.
but he didn't say he only
but he didn't say he only wants to talk to those who agree with him
he said
"Anyone else out there feel the same? If you are pro NZ Music and think I am trashing NZ Music keep your comments to yourself"
//If you are pro NZ Music and think I ...
//If you are pro NZ Music and think I am trashing NZ Music keep your comments to yourself
Some bands are good, some suck. Get over it.
NZMusicMonth Shirts are likely to be for sale next May.
Don't instruct people on how to express themselves about NZMusic here.
wow, deja vu. I think we need to ...
wow, deja vu. I think we need to compile a FAQ sheet.
1) people that don't write their own music are talentless hacks
2) nz music is probably overrated, but there's still a lot of good stuff
3) lena o is a golem, fashioned from the ire and frustration of music lovers throughout nz, who is imprisoned in the electronic corridors of nzm, and is thus very very cranky.
Sorry - just anticipating the usual tidal wave of "hey yeah nz music rocks and you shud support it" this topic attracts every time it's brought up.
My official stance is that most people that have been into any kind of kiwi music - people that go to gigs and buy CDs and know the difference between shihad and pacifier - for more than a couple of years are well aware of the strengths and weaknesses in kiwi music. It's just people that suddenly sat up and took notice when the Datsuns became popular that are making it into this big thing because it's a novelty to them. Because of the sudden interest by the public, companies and government departments - large organisations that were never really paid attention to any kind of live music scene before - jumped onto the bandwagon and start pushing it even more, and we end up with this massive "GREAT NZ MUSIC!!!!" monster in our faces. It's not overrated so much as overexposed. I think most of the people that have always liked music are over the whole "finally our favourite bands are getting the attention they deserve!" and now thinking "ok, now everyone's just being a little silly"
..but yeah, what's t-shirt ...
..but yeah, what's t-shirt availability got to do with kiwi music?
// "GREAT NZ MUSIC!!!!" monster in our ...
// "GREAT NZ MUSIC!!!!" monster in our faces. It's not overrated so much as overexposed.
i think the confusion lies herein. "SHIT" NZ music is overexposed...."GOOD" NZ music (in my opinion) is so badly underexposed that is is a crime.
What is NZ Music? How can it be "overexposed" is NZ music tangible?
Until Joe Bloggs has heard of the several hundred good bands in this country and not just the 20-30 currently all voer the airwaves...once you can get just a tiny fraction of the people who are interested in going to a pub to watch the rugby.....going to watch a kiwi band...then it may be overexposed.
my bare bottom is overexposed...
my bare bottom is overexposed
//once you can get just a tiny fraction ...
//once you can get just a tiny fraction of the people who are interested in going to a pub to watch the rugby......
Amen Brother Bink
Overexposure, yes....
Overexposure, yes.
//once you can get just a tiny fraction ...
//once you can get just a tiny fraction of the people who are interested in going to a pub to watch the rugby.....going to watch a kiwi band...then it may be overexposed.
In that case kiwi music probably is already overexposed, as I am sure that there is a tiny fraction of people who enjoy watching rugger at pubs who also enjoy watching kiwi bands play.
As far as I can see the lack of support for the "good" kiwi bands is just a symptom of the lack of any real widespread support for any "good" music.
It seems to me at least that kiwi music is experiencing a bit of a boom at the moment, and we should all just be happy that joe bloggs is buying any homegrown music at all.
<patriotic babble on> I don't see it ...
I don't see it as being a wee bit silly and what on earth does over exposer actually mean... is that when your own personal cringe kicks in?
I absolutely love going to the supermarket and having new zealand songs of yesteryear being played as muzac,
I smile every time I hear a piece of music being used on an add, as a theme, or background music on the telly
I was over the moon when I discovered mot high school had used an Orkid song in their stage quest performance.
Because each and every time something like this happens it says " Being a Kiwi is Good"
Alot of this comes from being 20 in the muldoon years, when life was full of the grey men, and the best nz wine was cold duck, and we ate roast lamb with minted pea, and Chris Knox was a grubby wee boy making weird music in Dunners.
So I will stand on the barricade and shout loudly "long live the revolution of over exposer"
But what this is doing is giving us the opportunity to choose, and squarely places the responsibility on our shoulders.......................... don't listen to stuff you think is crap, it really is that simple
//I don't see it as being a wee bit ...
//I don't see it as being a wee bit silly and what on earth does over exposer actually mean... is that when your own personal cringe kicks in?
Fair comment...basically I'm just thinking about stuff like nz music month - this year for me it was a bit of a nonevent, and a lot of my friends commented just how they're kind of fed up with the whole rah rah thing. Also, I still see quite a few posts in the artist forums that are specifically to give props to the artist in question but end up being a long list of "support Kiwi Music cos it RULZZ!!" posts. Sometimes it comes off sounding like they're trying to encourage some handicapped kid..
It's just like Dust said - some bands rock, some suck. By overexposure I honestly don't mean "I can't escape that dadgarned Neil Finn at the supermarket" or anything - but there's been this huge branding exercise that's made the "Kiwi Music" this giant frankenstein cobbled from a whole bunch of separate sources. It's like on some level somewhere it's not about the music any more - to me "Kiwi Music" is a figment of the imagination of a bunch of PR guys.
So yeah, cringe factor, very much so.
//So yeah, cringe factor, very much so. ...
//So yeah, cringe factor, very much so.
To be honest Aka, I think probably you've managed to escape a lot of the "overexposure" angle since you're living in - what - like the South Pole or something? ;)
//the best nz wine was cold ...
//the best nz wine was cold duck//
Pretty much the only nz wine at that time ... and 100% responsible for a number of firsts in my life ... all on the same night and all equally messy!!! Heh heh heh!!!
cold duck and pearl, cold duck was the ...
cold duck and pearl, cold duck was the pinky one and pearl was the white one that came in a candle holder
heather probably more a case of no sky.. therefore no jucie, no c4 and i only listen to national radio.... like i said you have to be your own filter
//therefore no jucie, no c4 and i only ...
//therefore no jucie, no c4 and i only listen to national radio....
Man, that sounds like a healthy lifestyle...(almost wistful)
Granted I'm pretty much submerged in music - listen to it, watch it, read it, compute it, all my friends are it, it's very very easy, and I have to qualify by saying I really love it...but - it's just that funny perspective that just seems slightly askew - I often think good that it's about the music, but it just doesn't need to be all about nz any more...
...however, in retrospect I think that's entirely to do with my musically-saturated bubble universe and probably I'd like to see the economic and social bolstering continue for a few years yet.
//Chris Knox was a grubby wee boy ...
//Chris Knox was a grubby wee boy making weird music in Dunners.
Ah, I remember those days, when Chris Knox seemed to me to be emblematic of New Zealand music, and thus I thought it was dreadful: why couldn't he be like Dire Straights? Huh? But then I learnt to embrace his vision and Dire Straights became but a faded memory, until recently that is, when I was listening to Lovestruck Romeo, and was quite impressed, all over again.
// cold duck and pearl So when did ...
// cold duck and pearl
So when did things like leibestraum and Blenheimer come on the market: I can remember these being brought home by my parents as THE last word in wine. Then there was Chardon and Asti - they've been around a while now, the drink of choice for a sophisticated night in my early years of varsity.
pearl and cold duck were early 70's ( ...
pearl and cold duck were early 70's ( ok i took poetic thingie over that being the 80's)
leibestraum and Blenheimer mid 70's
omg asti-spew, read big stu's comments re cold duck, make it about me and and make it asti, but the story remains the same.
I think Asti led to tragic behaviour by ...
I think Asti led to tragic behaviour by quite a few people in its day!
Cask wine resulted in my first ...
Cask wine resulted in my first intoxication and first hangover, I was 11 or something and at the beach, that was probably the best holiday I have ever had in my life. It had everything, a summer romance, bonfires on the beach, laziness, drunkenness. Ahhhh the good old days back in the early 90s.
Music made by NZ musicians is the equal ...
Music made by NZ musicians is the equal of music made in any other country. And that is true on any level you may care to choose.
Mentor/Role Model, truly the voice of ...
Mentor/Role Model, truly the voice of reason.
beg to differ........
beg to differ.....
//beg to differ..... // Go ahead ... ...
//beg to differ..... //
Go ahead ... but be prepared to justify your position. So far you have said nothing that can justify your opening thesis that NZ music is over-rated. This may or may not be true ... I can thnk of several bands that, in my opinion, are vastly over-rated and an equal number who are severely under-rated.
Your original post said virtually nothing other than if some one does not agree with you then they should keep their comments to themselves ... so it would appear that you do not really want to debate the issue. Is this because you have no means of supporting your opinion?
And your reactions to some of the succeeding posts reveal a propensity to attack the messenger rather that the message ... and you wonder why people start to flame you?
By all means take a stand but be prepared to justify your position with something more than invective.
As an aside, your particular opening gambit has been debated several times on these forums, IIRC, and the final position is usually that we, as a loose collective of NZ music supporters, agree to disagree.
Finally, it strikes me as somewhat ironic that someone who considers NZ music to be over-rated should bother to take the time to visit a web site that is set up to support the very thing you seem to despise.
All the points you make are valid. One ...
All the points you make are valid. One only has to read your blurb to know you far exceed me in intellect to bother debating with the likes of yourself. I failed to make myself clear in my arguement, call it a thesis if you insist but I was out to stir some feathers and I did. I am under no illusion why people flame me, they do because they are human. In this country there are Kiwi Musicians and Musicians who are kiwi. I choose to be the latter. I am proud to be called a Kiwi but when it comes to my music being kiwi has nothing to do with it. I don't write about NZ or NZ people. Someone mentioned on here that me being a muso would I call myself overrated. For starters I sing covers with only a very small number of them being kiwi songs. If someone can only succeed musically in this country by over promoting themselves as kiwis then i consider that to be very disappointing. One thing that bugs me the most is that when a kiwi makes it overseas, we capitalise on his/hers success. The Datsuns never got recognition here until they got recognition overseas. Anyway Big Stu, I am sure you will have something to say to this but there is a small part of my justification
// In this country there are
// In this country there are Kiwi Musicians and Musicians who are kiwi. I choose to be the latter. I am proud to be called a Kiwi but when it comes to my music being kiwi has nothing to do with it.
what "kiwi musicians" are you referring to? i know loads of bands but none of them run around calling themselves "NZ bands", they are just "bands" that happen to reside here. maybe the media likes to take the newest big thing in NZ and wave the flag around them a bit, but i don't see any bands doing that on their own accord. of course i'm ready to be proven wrong here. names, anyone?
// The Datsuns never got recognition here until they got recognition overseas.
*bangs head on wall*
omg look how old this topic
omg look how old this topic is! aww.. i thought i was participating in something new. i was all excited.
// The Datsuns never got recognition ...
// The Datsuns never got recognition here until they got recognition overseas.
nup. this is not true. they got recognition on the bNet, just not widespread mainstream cover of every music mag sort of recognition.
Yeah, just because something isn't ...
Yeah, just because something isn't getting coverage in mainstream media doesn't mean it isn't big.
yes, yes it is. now everyone, just ...
yes, yes it is.
now everyone, just turn off your computers and play outside til teatime please ;-)
heh heh.
i guess it depends on who's doing the 'rating' really... artists and labels with a vested self-interest are always going to over-rate their creations and products, s'just sensible 'cos no-one else is gonna that for you if you're not even gonna...
NZ Music Month always has an aftertaste of 'cultural cringe'... but that's Nu Zilders for ya :-)
i agree with you although you are a bit ...
i agree with you although you are a bit dumm
// i agree with you although you are a ...
// i agree with you although you are a bit dumm
quote of the day, hands down.
Right on. There should be a quote of ...
Right on.
There should be a quote of the day section in the forums, not able to be edited, just gazed upon and enjoyed.
The shirts have never been available ...
The shirts have never been available for the public.
Why is that suddenly an issue for you this year?
While I think it would be cool to be able to buy one, I also see the logic behind the exclusivity of it.
Whoopdeedoo.
theres no such thing as logiacality ...
theres no such thing as logiacality behind exclusivismismivism. Fuck exclusive.
there's no such thing as ...
there's no such thing as exclusivismismivism. Fuck you.
my, arnt we humourless. The act of ...
my, arnt we humourless. The act of being exclusive (there ya go ya pendantic twat :) ) aint my cuppa tea. Its just wrong.
It's not me that's humorless buddy. ...
It's not me that's humorless buddy. Can't you see that was clearly a joke.
Lighten up.
wow what a great response. latifahangel ...
wow what a great response. latifahangel why do think me dumm?? oh yeah learn to spell sister!!!! the t shirt thing was just an examplen not an issue.....for the idiot who says people who don't write are talentless hacks - what an arrogant shit!! I write my own songs pal and perform regularly in a band dickwad, thaks for assuming me talentless!!! and i didn't mean to lay down rules regarding comments i am new to this kinda thing, nice of you to give me a break.
Sorry, I was being facetious. What I ...
Sorry, I was being facetious. What I was saying was that there are topics that come up over and over again and the general consensus is always the same. That particular comment about talentless hacks is a regularly aired view, and is more in relation to manufactured pop than covers bands.
Also, latifahangel was responding to the comment above hers - not your comment. Hence "reply to this post" in the top right corner of the blue boxes.
Probably best to lurk for a while - get an idea of the atmosphere of the site and the personalities involved before throwing yourself in, guns blazing. You can use numerous derogatory adjectives to describe me, but dickwad isn't one of them.
hey no offence intended....i thought it ...
hey no offence intended....i thought it was a guy who posted it and then i realised it was you after i posted.....throwing myself in guns a blazing is my style generally.....i don't get too offended by comments posted on a site....real people offend me more
//real people offend me more .... where ...
//real people offend me more .... where as we of course are not real
so all this other writing is done by monkeys randomly taping on keys
and Aka astounded by the logic, disappears in a puff of smoke.... woot HHGTTG ref, man i feel cool tonight
aka as far as my perception is ...
aka as far as my perception is concerned you aint real. I haven't met you in person......tell me you're the same person on here as you are to the people that you know in life....
So, why bother? If you're being ...
So, why bother? If you're being unreal and none of us is real, why waste your time here? So far, you've pretty much only been rude and the sleight of hand in trying to dissassociate yourself from that by saying you're different in "real life" isn't exactly winning you any brownie points. You'll find a shit load of people here do happen to know each other off the board, so for them there isn't a huge dividing line between online and offline. Ach, why bother with meatheads. Night.
//tell me you're the same person on ...
//tell me you're the same person on here as you are to the people that you know in life....
There are more people on this site than you could possibly count who can vouch for the actuality of Aka.
myshkin brownie points is the least of ...
myshkin brownie points is the least of my concerns. oh and thanks for opinion of me........(meathead). Didn't realise judgementalism was rife in Dunedin.you read what i say, take offence and then feel the need to post some pointless statement. You missed the whole point of what i was saying and trying to explain it to you would be useless as obviously you don't understand meatheadish