"Passport also collects and processes certain traffic information to improve security and to provide customer support for your Passport account. We keep this information for no longer than 90 days, unless required to do so by applicable law."
applicable law being very loosely defined since 911
"Applicable law post 9/11"
The strictly impartial and independent 9/11 Commission finding on no Hussien/AlQ connnection has been well buried, can i blame Microsoft?
// But don't you think these kind of accusations (data mining / profile building / etc.) could be levelled at any web-based email system?
To an extent, but I think there are at least a couple of reasons why this system looks worse on the face of it.
It indexes your emails once it receives them as a matter of course, and ordinarily keeps those indexes and copies of all of that information even after you have deleted them.
Couple this with the 1 gig limit and you have the potential for massive amounts of information to be associated with a specific mailbox by default.
Did you know google are trying to compete with MS regarding desktop searching as well? So indexing and googling your desktop and storing that information against a username (I think)... I guess they're moving towards "federated searching" where you can just throw in terms and find something whether it's on your computer, your gmail account or the web.
I wonder if Google risk losing their copyright. "Google for 'miserable failure' in quotes", "I just googled my own name", "It's standard practice to google potential candidates now", etc. I guess it's not generalised to describe other search engines... but otoh it's getting a bit like MS products where people often don't know alternatives exist.
// I wonder if Google risk losing their copyright. "Google for 'miserable failure' in quotes", "I just googled my own name", "It's standard practice to google potential candidates now", etc. I guess it's not generalised to describe other search engines... but otoh it's getting a bit like MS products where people often don't know alternatives exist
That would be trademark, not copyright.
It would have to be proved that it was now common use to use google/googling/googled to refer not just to Google, but as a term for a generic search engine.
e.g. "I googled my homework assignment on Altavista."
It seems to me that people always use the verb "to google" when they are actually referring to Google, so I reckon their trademark is safe for now.
It just depends on how paranoid one chooses to be. Say, hypothetically a person were to have a telecom mobile and an xtra account. Not only does telecom know where you live, and potentially have access to all sorts of internet based information (they claim they usually only log the webpages that you visit, but that if they have "concerns" they will collect more), they can also know your physical location (or at least where your cellphone is) 24 hours a day. That makes for some powerful data matching.
My dental work's giving off a nasty hum... but just in case you are doing more than joking, Echelon is fully legit. Well, at least enough that the EU talk about it, that the BBC reports on it, etc.
Theirs a letter to the Editor in todays Chch press asking for any Christians who have had their email's tampered with to contact some Professor.Apparantly this group feels that the rate of "sabotage" is extremley high for those who access "Christian" themed sites, and from their someone is perving/corrupting their emails.
The "corruption" appears to be of a pornographic or Satanic nature.
Naturally enough i cannot now find the contact details...
Here's another article on gmail, which is praising it for its technological features and for taking on the challange of changing the metaphor for the email interface.
Thanks to noizyboy I have an account, and will be looking at the threaded conversation feature in particular as it should prove very useful for heavy traffic mailing lists in particular. One initial comment is that it is slower than and not as pretty as fastmail.fm, which offers a nice black screen.
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But don't you think these kind of ...
But don't you think these kind of accusations (data mining / profile building / etc.) could be levelled at any web-based email system?
i do...
i do
I wonder if gmail releases login names ...
I wonder if gmail releases login names and passwords to apra...
seems pretty ridiculous, why would you ...
seems pretty ridiculous, why would you wonder that?
similarly as hotmail says: "Passport ...
similarly as hotmail says:
"Passport also collects and processes certain traffic information to improve security and to provide customer support for your Passport account. We keep this information for no longer than 90 days, unless required to do so by applicable law."
applicable law being very loosely defined since 911
"Applicable law post 9/11" The ...
"Applicable law post 9/11"
The strictly impartial and independent 9/11 Commission finding on no Hussien/AlQ connnection has been well buried, can i blame Microsoft?
tenuous......
tenuous...
// But don't you think these kind of ...
// But don't you think these kind of accusations (data mining / profile building / etc.) could be levelled at any web-based email system?
To an extent, but I think there are at least a couple of reasons why this system looks worse on the face of it.
It indexes your emails once it receives them as a matter of course, and ordinarily keeps those indexes and copies of all of that information even after you have deleted them.
Couple this with the 1 gig limit and you have the potential for massive amounts of information to be associated with a specific mailbox by default.
Did you know google are trying to compete with MS regarding desktop searching as well? So indexing and googling your desktop and storing that information against a username (I think)... I guess they're moving towards "federated searching" where you can just throw in terms and find something whether it's on your computer, your gmail account or the web.
I wonder if Google risk losing their copyright. "Google for 'miserable failure' in quotes", "I just googled my own name", "It's standard practice to google potential candidates now", etc. I guess it's not generalised to describe other search engines... but otoh it's getting a bit like MS products where people often don't know alternatives exist.
// I wonder if Google risk losing their ...
// I wonder if Google risk losing their copyright. "Google for 'miserable failure' in quotes", "I just googled my own name", "It's standard practice to google potential candidates now", etc. I guess it's not generalised to describe other search engines... but otoh it's getting a bit like MS products where people often don't know alternatives exist
That would be trademark, not copyright.
It would have to be proved that it was now common use to use google/googling/googled to refer not just to Google, but as a term for a generic search engine.
e.g. "I googled my homework assignment on Altavista."
It seems to me that people always use the verb "to google" when they are actually referring to Google, so I reckon their trademark is safe for now.
It just depends on how paranoid one ...
It just depends on how paranoid one chooses to be. Say, hypothetically a person were to have a telecom mobile and an xtra account. Not only does telecom know where you live, and potentially have access to all sorts of internet based information (they claim they usually only log the webpages that you visit, but that if they have "concerns" they will collect more), they can also know your physical location (or at least where your cellphone is) 24 hours a day. That makes for some powerful data matching.
Yeah, i suppose you're right. ...
Yeah, i suppose you're right. Hypothetically I may have a landline, mobile AND broadband with the same provider here in Australia. ;)
Dearest Echelon makes any kind of internet privacy a bit of a moot point.
Plus there's those hidden cameras ...
Plus there's those hidden cameras embedded in your walls...
Or the even more cunningly hidden ...
Or the even more cunningly hidden camera in your phone!
Eeek! I wonder if the ...
Eeek! I wonder if the radio-transmitting chips in my wrist interfere with the cameras?
My dental work's giving off a nasty ...
My dental work's giving off a nasty hum... but just in case you are doing more than joking, Echelon is fully legit. Well, at least enough that the EU talk about it, that the BBC reports on it, etc.
Theirs a letter to the Editor in todays ...
Theirs a letter to the Editor in todays Chch press asking for any Christians who have had their email's tampered with to contact some Professor.Apparantly this group feels that the rate of "sabotage" is extremley high for those who access "Christian" themed sites, and from their someone is perving/corrupting their emails.
The "corruption" appears to be of a pornographic or Satanic nature.
Naturally enough i cannot now find the contact details...
Here's another article on gmail, which ...
Here's another article on gmail, which is praising it for its technological features and for taking on the challange of changing the metaphor for the email interface.
Thanks to noizyboy I have an account, and will be looking at the threaded conversation feature in particular as it should prove very useful for heavy traffic mailing lists in particular. One initial comment is that it is slower than and not as pretty as fastmail.fm, which offers a nice black screen.
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Looks like Hotmail have increased their ...
Looks like Hotmail have increased their email storage now so that their customers don't bail on them
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