you think it's bullshit because you expect answers from it. the answers should come from you, the horoscope should act as a tool or a guide, it should raise questions rather than give answers. it's like having a black rock and a white rock in your pocket, white meaning yes, black meaning no. you think it's bullshit because you've been trained to. congrats, you're yet another product of popularised subculture and skepticism, enjoy your gen-x labels, perhaps one day you can close your eyes to everything.

Growing up in that environment, of course you'd have been brainwashed into thinking this shit is true. Your mother's a loonie.

(I can shit stir too :P )

oh yeah, i didn't say i necessarily believe in it either btw ;) but i do like to try and understand something before i badmouth it *cough*

well shit how am i going to stir if you're going to remain perfectly rational? :)

oh and just so you all know, my mum has been an astrologer for longer than my entire life, so i'm not just being a mr know it all, i actually have a clue about this.

you wouldn't necessarily go to a priest practicing christianity *and* islam now would you? (although come to think, it could solve a lot of problems) you could also say the same of i ching. i'm not questioning the validity of tarot, i'm questioning the validity of "psychics" who give tarot readings and do horoscopes, for money.

clarified :)

I was tempted to write this the other day, but it seems more relevent now. Astrology, as a system of measurement and prediction, ought to be subject to many of the rules that apply to systems of measurement and prediction. Firstly, there is measurement error. Measurements are imprecise. For example, I have a reasonable idea of what time I was born, but the reality is that nobody is actually looking at the clock when you are born. Even if someone was there as your timekeeper, then there is still the accuracy of the clock being observed etc. These sort of measurements apply to all sorts of things to astrologers use. The movements of stars/planets etc. are all imprecisely measured, and often measured as estimates of other models. My second point is that astrology involves models, models with LOTS of parameters (lots of stars, dates, times etc.). Generally speaking, simpler models are better, a key reason being that models amplify error in the predictors, so the more predictors, the more error. The only real way to reduce this sort of error in complex models is to refine the predictions based on multiple observations. This is approximately how the met-service work their modelling. They feed back in an enormous amount of weather observations to fine-tune it. This sort of enhancement is not available to astrologers. (I should also point out the accuracy of weather forecasts, given that they have a much better system). So that then leaves the skill of the astrologer in discerning the patterns from the model. However if you follow gigo (garbage in - garbage out), then it really just boils down to their fortune divining skills, and the stars are more or less irrelevent.

Mind you, I could be expected to say that.

Oh, like ironically, I might be Aquarius, in which case I think I'm supposed to be calm and analytical. However, I'm born right at the start of the period, and in the morning, so I'm not actually sure if that's true.

oooh. We could have this whole (like) Valley Girl thing (like) going down. It would be so (like) excellent.

//inability to live in the real world

but (like) I can fix cars. and blow things up. I (like) so have the real world thing going down. But then I can spend most of the day in my white corrugated iron tower (corrugated iron was deemed to cheaper and more aesthetically pleasing than ivory) to get away from it all.

I didn't mean Valley Girl (the movie), I meant Valley Girl (the accent). Actually, I'm not entirely sure what the name of the valley is, but it's the one Los Angeles is in I think. The breakfast club was probably set in california in which case it would be like totally a valley girl accent.

The valley in question is San Fernando FWIW

woooo! i'd rather be johnny depp but i thought we were only on the breakfast club thing, johnny and anthony michael were both in edward scissorhands though so it's only one degree away!

(sorry, I had the audacity to leave work and go home)

Oh I knew the difference between valley girl and 'Valley Girl', I was just building on the language of it. The Breakfast Club, meanwhile, like most John Hughes movies, was set and filmed in Chicago. Mullholland Drive just makes me think of The Emperor's New Clothes in terms of Lynch's apparent talent (and I swear I was using htat expression before Aka started in the OWW thread).

Oh and Grimmy, if you're anthony michael hall, as long as you can find someone to pay a dollar to see them, i'll slip you a pair of panties.

//Capricorn: (Dec. 22—Jan. 19)
There's been a lot of talk about the lack of nurse slayings lately, but you're the only person with the guts to actually do something about it.

damn...scary ...
I prefered Benny Hill Show Nurses running alive

ah, personally I do never read horoscopes ... dont ask me why ... I would do it if my horoscope told me which are the right lottery numbers

//Aries: (March 21—April 19)
You have no idea why Nancy Sinatra keeps showing up at your place and soundly kicking your ass, but if you don't find out soon, there's a chance she'll stop.

Hahahahahaha - Priceless

Virgo: (Aug. 23—Sept. 22)
Stop worrying about what does and doesn't give you cancer. You have more immediate concerns with who will or won't hang you upside-down on a razor-wire fence for 72 hours.

Sagittarius: (Nov. 22—Dec. 21)
They say you never hear the shot that gets you, but thanks to the acoustics in your bathroom, you'll hear all 59 of them perfectly.

ahaha