yeah the stooges along with mc5, i'd also rate the velvet underground as early punk,

first result on the google search below is perfect. Lame explanation and perfect example of the false revolution.

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The effect Bob Marley had on punk was huge, the New Wave suff in the late70's and all that.

Just thought i'd mention it.

//then in the 70's it turned into angry, unemployed teens that didn't want to live past 21//

too restrictive, it's an ethos, although the word has com to have the generic meaning you give

more like so post-punk, it's not actually punk. just pop with catchy riffs.

mmm... im drunk after after work drinks, so this bound to be absolute shit.

punk might have been a style of music once, but now prob describes a way of working to create music, ie telling the rules to go fuck off and creating something that is artiscially true. i reckon that there are punk painters musicians etc. its just all in the attitude. any attempt at categorising a style of 'punk' is actually the antithesis of punk]

mmm off to find more free piss...

strictly speaking SST bands were 'Hardcore' not 'punk'. Confusing eh?

Wire aren't too bad...

Were Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr or Negativeland? No, but most of the rest were.

What have the MC5 and the Beatles got to do with it. On the right track though.

Public Image Ltd. were a great band, much better than the sex pistols whose members were really young at the time.

I also blame the fact that it's been 30 years since "Punk" was born. It should have been 20 years since it dissolved into the ether (to join the Teddyboys, and greasers and other outdated teen identities). Unfortunately Punks snotty attitudes appeal to kids of every generation, and kids are surely passionate about their teenage rebelion, but unfortunately they are also stupid and gullible, and now, as a result, 30 years down the track Punk means nothing anymore. Every generation has bastardised it to siut their particular problems, the boredom of 70's New York, the opressiveness of late 70's Britain, the plastic disco pap of the 80's, and now in the 21st century the kids are railing against telecom for robbing them of the right to send as much text messages as they want to the guy who's sitting right next to them.

aye. It is a sad day when you se a forum and recall the day that that forum topic was last discussed like it was only yesterday.

//yet another forum which keeps on repeating itself...

And look who started it, He should know better.

Shut your mouth.

while badbrains started out as majorly a ska/reggae band ( i'd say living colour were way more glam than punk :P ) - bb's were heavily influencial in the early DC 'punk' scene ( regualr shows with minor threat, the damned and gigs at early-era CBGB's

yeah they progressed into a more definably hardcore sound in the mid eighties - as we refer to the musical aspect of punk - listen to 'black dots' or 'banned in CD' and tell me they werent.

just a different shade of it... (no pun intended)...

rant rant blah blah..