yes thanks. still sorting it out but i think we're getting there!

// but NZ Music just does not have the depth, the variety and the talant of international music.

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Hahaha, I expected that, and no im not trying to be cool, just telling it how it is. And just for the record, I couldnt care less of what you think of me.

I will also say that I will not waste my time bitching around and arguing with you stupid assholes, whatever, go ahead, think what you want, say what you want, and go listen to some real music

Maybe it would be worth my time arguing if most of you actually understood anything about musical value, but sinse you dont, I wont.

So Fuck off

well fuck off and start your own website, you muppet.
try : www.nzmusicsucksballs.com
maybe mum & dad will buy it for you... prick.

Am loving your posts in this forum capitalrecordings.

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//Sorry people, say what you want to me, but NZ Music just does not have the depth, the variety and the talant of international music. During NZ music month they shamelessly pushed the NZ music, (which was mostly crap sorry to say, like the shit they play on radio, and most bands at that National anthem thing). Unfortunately most of the good bands remain underground as we speak.//

Why should we take you seriously when you cant even construct a sentence properly?

// ...cant even construct a sentence properly?

ahh, come on - english is obviously not his first language. give him some kudos for trying!

and caps4life, we're still waiting for the names of these great nz underground bands.

//ahh, come on - english is obviously not his first language

ahhh and here i was thinking the gramma nazis were dead,............. very lame guys

//you probably havnt been anywhere out of South Auckland, and cant get over Scribe and Disepticons.

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! HAHAHAHAAA!

//I will also say that I will not waste my time bitching around and arguing with you stupid assholes

Try again

what did that Caps4life do so wrong that caused people to spit the dummy?

fantastic!

//things like Play It Strange and the associated hype will be that we're drowned in a massive wave of very average musicians.
I really worry that people have the whole point of play it strange wrong.............
to use Mike Chung's comparison with rugby, to illistrate my point, not every child will become an all back or even play at NPC level, but through having a large grass roots base every child can play if they should choose to do so..
Play it strange has the same concept, it will not flood the market with average music because it is not ment fot the "market' it is ment to allow children access to self made music... to sing with their own true voice.
We happly give children paper and crayons and let them draw what is in their hearts, never expecting them to sell thier paintings....... play it strange gives a similar creative out let............
god for bid that a child from a non musical house hold be given the chance to be involved, just like with Allen Duff's books in homes programe, giving free books to children to excite their passion about reading, Mike Chung and co are hoping to make music accesible for everyone.

yes I am sure we are fast getting to the point when we will have to discuss, if the emperor does in fact have clothes on, taking care all the while not to use language such as " admit it most nz music sux"
I watched my first ever C4 home grown this weekend and was deeply deeply disturbed to see almost nothing that reflected our national identity, until the last moment when they played French Letter.

I have always supported the idea of having commercial pop added to the richness that is Nzmusic, it has a place, it's an entry point for pre teens, very few 8 year olds are ready to take on board bands like voom, die die die, or even the more poppy autozamm.
But what we must ensure with this commercial pop, is that it is clearly identifiable as music from our land, our natural environment, its splendor, harshness, beauty, greenness, isolation, acknowledging the influences on our national character; the eyeball confrontations, the rugby, the tight mouths, the kea's beak and smell of sheep., other wise these young folk will not be lead to the more substantial layers of Nzmusic, they will look to overseas for their soundscapes.

What worries me is, there are bands out there, playing music that could have come from anywhere, ..............
I used to remember which band was called what, by thinking the one with 77 in the name is from NZ, the other is just another M&M clone from the states, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the NZOA logo on a Feelers video, back when I had no idea they were NZ.
Last week I heard an interview with Ian Muin speaking to a similar issue in NZflim, he was most concerned that by bring in "experts" from the USofA with what he called "American sensibilities", our film industry in the future, will lose the ability to tell uniquely New Zealand stories. Not only this but he felt that by looking to foreigners, the film commission was undermining valuable local expertise
An example of this in NZ pop bands would be the tragedy that is Zed... good pre teen pop, Silencer had that "something" that gave it homegrown feel, the 1st 3 singles being self produced in a home studio in the same manner as we celebrate with bands like Goodshirt, where as My Little Empire with its covers from American bands is totally unrecognizable as anything to do with us. One band that must be praised however is Sterogram, even though their last video was made in the USofA it is still clearly speaks with a Kiwi accent.

anyway to stop the rant and bottom line it, I am all for "The Agencies" supporting, encouraging, funding Nzmusic, but they must remember the important wording in all of this is New Zealand Music not Cloned Music, I don't know if this is possible in an industry that is driven by marketING not market driven.

:D I was worried people would read it as some sort of "Bring back Poi e".
yes it is impossible to actually pin down why band x feels kiwi while band y doesn't

why is a song about a gorilla indentifable? has some sort of "golden rule" been applyed to its creation so that resonates? or was it simply that the creature is coverd in what is clearly new zealand mud?

I'm not 100% sure but when you heard lines from goodshirt talking about hot tar seal burning and pickles in my feet, it is evocitive, black seeds pohutakawa trees covered in old mans beard.

hmm , i can see my next few days of listen pleasure are now going to be tempered with a the go-nogo gauge of is it us-not us and what is my cirteria of mesurement.

not quite yet kaka

//we're drowned in a massive wave of very average musicians. I guess that's the tradeoff for //adequately nurturing the best talent, but I don't really want NZ's identity to be a production line //for mediocrity.

Mediocrity is the reward we get for having a vibrant scene.
When there is encouragement for people to give it a try, they will. When there is too much encouragement, the wrong people will try.

E.G. In Palmerston Nth there has been a council funded recording studio and practice rooms for a long time. What happens there is the normal bars to forming a band are removed-You don't have to go into debt to get a setup, you don't have to search out a practice room, you don't have to cart your gear around, or find somewhere secure to store it, you don't have to worry about noise control- all you have to do is pay $2 per hour and provide your own drumsticks and guitar leads, everything else is provided. Then, when you have worked up a set you pay $15 an hour to record it.
What this has resulted in is Palmy having the highest percentage of unlistenable bands of any city in NZ. Why? because, I believe that the inherent difficulty in forming a band sorts out those who are serious and those who aren't, with this valve missing the dross pours through.

Look also at the old chestnut of prime-time TV, The Situation Comedy. In the US Sit-Coms are produced at a staggering rate, (and are cancelled just as quickly if things don't work out). But over here on the other side of the globe we only really get to see the shows that have proven themselves to be market worthy. So then when a NZ crew tries to make a sitcom(and they have tried in the past) we judge it not against the first efforts of US producers, but rather against the finely honed shows we watch here. So every time (and yes, it has been EVERY time) a NZ sitcom is made, the nation cries "It's Shit".

On the point of a distinctive New Zealand music, I think there will always be bands/musicians who can only have come from New Zealand, so there is a brand of "distinctly new zealand" music - mainly through geographic, historical or other societal references which are unique to NZ - "Dominion Road" (and probably half of the Muttonbird's output) is a classic example. Only New Zealand bands will ever really produce music about the New Zealand experience that we can identify with and go "yeah, that's our place".

But to say that's the only credible way of being a musician in New Zealand lacks any kind of sense at all - there are the universal experiences - death, birth, love, hatred, taxes (are there *any* decent songs about tax?) - that shape music. We might find an Aroha rather than an Annie-May or Svetlana being the object of the love lament, but apart from that, the lovelorn are pretty similar around the world.

I think this is very similar to the debate that has surrounded NZ literature - there are those who say that writers are somehow failing NZ if they don't write about NZ. The same point that it is NZ writers who are most likely to do so arises, but that would be hugely limiting for what is, after all, a creative endeavour. My opinion is that the world is enriched by such works as Catherine Chidgey's "Transformation", which as far away from being NZ-centric as you can get, and we might have never seen such a thing had there been some sort of apparatus akin to what good old Stalin had in place to make sure that all writing was to be about NZ.

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat,
If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.
Taxman.
‘Cos I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

haha..fckn brilliant lyricists.

tax songs? the world is rated x by marvin gaye
in fact, every other song on every marvin gaye album after what's going on!