What video is that, and is it on DVD?

damn these hobo-gloved hands
damn the cold that makes them numb and cold

Hey Dawn of Azazel - sorry to hear about Juice not playing your video - well now I relly am intrigued to see what this video is all about - like they say all publicity is good publicity! Did you say C4 is playing it? Great news about the UK tour - good for you guys!!! Rejection is a bitch but obviously you guys are doing amazing things regardless!!

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Its not referring to videos being banned as much as the media supporting clone bands rather than Nz bands doing something original.

Im sure theres plenty of NZ bands that have been ignored, particularly in this month, when they deserved support.

But having your video banned beacuse of scantily clad women is crap.. Its not like there aren't a million american vids on tv with just that

Have you seen it? Will someone please tell the rest of us what it contains so that we can have a more objective point of view?

Oh so it's possible that the reason it's not being broadcast is just because the quality is not good enough, rather than having anything to do with the content, so it's not 'banned' as such?

'unfit for broadcast' could just mean in the wrong format - ie: not beta or whatever the standard is. Other people here would know more about the technical side than me.

//However our agent was told that it would never be played, it was to confrontational, and that one of the directors had deemed it unfit for broadcast.

You're talking about Juice, right? I haven't heard much of your stuff, but I imagine you may not hold much appeal for upwardly mobile pre-teen clotheshorses.

or BETAMAX - DIGI BETA - BETA SX - BETA (before BETA SP)

HD or High Definition is a totally different kettle of fish.. and not a format yet used for broadcast in new zealand..

I actually find the snare sound on 'Toot Toot Chugga Chugga Big Red Car' far too low in the mix & excessivley EQ'd...maybe the studio engineer spent too long worrying about ventilation his dinosaur suit to worry about getting an illin' snare sound?

//We dont want it to sound too good

i hope that doesnt mean the opposite is true

Yeah, this sort of half-assed pseudo-underground attitude that is so hip these days is really starting to make me snore. If you're setting yourself up as a direct binary for the mainstream, DON'T expect the organs of mainstream media to compromise their objectives just for your satisfaction.

You make some very good points, and by the way I never meant to intimate that merely inhabiting the 'mainstream' (what an abstract concept!) was selling out. But I don't really understand what your exact complaint is.

You consider yourself underground due to the nature of your music. However this doesn't mean you disdain the mainstream, although you are fairly strong in your opposition to creating music intending to make money. You shot a video partially in the hope it would be played by Juice (not exactly renowned for its 'championing the underground' status), and when they don't, they're hypocrites merely because it's NZ music month? Is that right?

It's a bit of dodgy logic, but I can see where you're coming from. I'm just not sure you can feel aggrieved that a generally commercial media (whose target market IS those zitty teeny boppers) didn't play your vid, just because a) you guys are successful and b) it's NZMM.

///You make some very good points, and by the way I never meant to intimate that merely inhabiting the 'mainstream' (what an abstract concept!) was selling out. But I don't really understand what your exact complaint is.

You consider yourself underground due to the nature of your music. However this doesn't mean you disdain the mainstream, although you are fairly strong in your opposition to creating music intending to make money. You shot a video partially in the hope it would be played by Juice (not exactly renowned for its 'championing the underground' status), and when they don't, they're hypocrites merely because it's NZ music month? Is that right?

It's a bit of dodgy logic, but I can see where you're coming from. I'm just not sure you can feel aggrieved that a generally commercial media (whose target market IS those zitty teeny boppers) didn't play your vid, just because a) you guys are successful and b) it's NZMM.

We neverout to do a video in the hope it get airplay by by juice, or anyone else for that matter, we did a video beacuse we had the oppertunity to do one at a signicantly reduced cost as a favour from some one who liked the band. I can think of much better ways for a metal band to spend several thousands of dollars than doing a video.

There not hypocrites because we happen to have had some success or that its NZ music month, they are because theyve supported us before, and expressed interest in continuing that. Then they have refused to air the video and given bullshit and inconsistent reasons why they will not play it. Then when people have complained about it they have tried to tell us that our agent lied to us and they never said they banned it at all

To be honest, I think a station would be a lot more clinical than what they have been if they wanted to straight out ban you. It sounds more like a big bad misunderstanding.

Has there been a change in management? Have you always dealt with the same people? If so, have the reasons changed with the people? Do you have total trust in your agent?

//ping ping!!

that line cracks me up every time

Im sure they have plenty of pleasant words for us ;)