Now, say what you might, but some New Zealnd music is just fantastic, thanks in no small part to the return of Shayne Carter. But, over the past few months, even weeks, most it has been mediocre bilge that's already been done by Uncle Red, White and Blue (freestyle hip-hop, nu-metal, Pacifier)...so...is NZ music in better or worse shape? Is it as great as we think it is or is it no reason to give it it's own week? Is it cutting-edge or not cutting it at all?
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so- ¿what DID happen?- to your BRAIN- ...
so- ¿what DID happen?- to your BRAIN- dont get me wrong- i got a soft spot for shayne- maybe its cos of that 1 night stand so many years ago- maybe its cos he wrote that song about me for the sjf 1st ep- maybe its cos he got my fave student to play cello on it- but ¿the dimmer stuff?- hes chickening out- i dont know why- maybe i should get back in contact
O.K. So I have been a tad blindsided ...
O.K. So I have been a tad blindsided with the Shayne Carter thing. But, I dunno, I kinda liked "I Believe You Are A Star". Call me uninitiated. Call me weird. Call me...
Speaking of which, you knew Shayne Carter, oui?
//maybe its cos of that 1 night stand so many years ago-
And, I presume you are "carrying his child"?
Or is this another Soundgarden7 thing with the guy who pretended to be Andy from Zed?
It boggles indeed.
The mind, I mean.
fuck man! duuude, its better than ever. ...
fuck man! duuude, its better than ever. newer bands like the checks, falter, electric shakedown, the have etc etc are just so god damn brilliant! and you hear about more new bands every day. for every shit band, theres gotta be 2 good ones. the nz music scene is getting better day by day.
//the checks, falter, electric ...
//the checks, falter, electric shakedown, the have etc etc are just so god damn brilliant!
Oh my fucking god. The Have? Electric Shakedown?? Electric Shakedown??? Where the fuck have you been? Who the fuck were you watching? There is no future for kiwi music!
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duuuuuuuude, they fkn rock world....
duuuuuuuude, they fkn rock world.
anyways, wat are you doin posting on ...
anyways, wat are you doin posting on the checks forum if you hate them so much?
Madeline is right, All of the bands you ...
Madeline is right, All of the bands you mentioned SUCK. Blatant rip offs. Infact, I would love to write more about how much the checks suck, but I get enraged when thinking about them. sorry.
//duuuuuuuude, they fkn rock world. ...
//duuuuuuuude, they fkn rock world.
dani, the datsuns got famous by inventing catchy hooks that stretch out for whole songs and practising them for years. Tom deborst is trying to be his brother, without the experience, the invention, the flair or the technical prowess. They even dress crap. Maybe in five or six years he'll approach some semblance of *coff* brilliance but right now his band is just like every other shitty school band jumping on the rock n roll bandwagon. The Have do a better job of ripping off the datsuns.
The checks are ok but they're still nowhere near the saviour of rock n roll. You need to get out more. Buy some old Straitjacket Fits albums. Shit, buy some old Dead Flowers albums. See Pacifier. Anything! Just snap out of it girl!
i h8 the straitjacketfits and seen ...
i h8 the straitjacketfits and seen pacifier too many times to count. and does it really matter how the band dresses?!?!? no, no, it really doesnt. i stand by my original statement. THE CHECKS THE HAVE AND THE ELECTRIC SHAKEDOWN ALL ROCK WORLD. ( and falter too).
all of you who h8 the checks, the have ...
all of you who h8 the checks, the have and electrick shakedown can all KISS MA ASS!! these bands rock the fuck out of all the othr bands you mentioned, so yea. all these bands are original, and taking nz music a step further than it has eva bin b4
yea..........YEA....
yea..........YEA.
//The Have do a better job of ripping ...
//The Have do a better job of ripping off the datsuns//
wot fuckn panet r u on? the have and the datsuns sund nuthin lyk eachothr they both hav distinctive, indiviual sounds
yea. the datsuns are way more early 70s ...
yea. the datsuns are way more early 70s influenced than the have are anyways. the have are kinda less raw too.
exactly....
exactly.
oi, wen tha fuck did i eva say that the ...
oi, wen tha fuck did i eva say that the datsuns were "80's influenced"???????
the have r kinda 80's -ish but not ...
the have r kinda 80's -ish but not really, their sound is their own
yes. i agree....
yes. i agree.
hey danielle do u hav msn?...
hey danielle do u hav msn?
old school rock revival = gay....
old school rock revival = gay.
its betta than the horse shit you ...
its betta than the horse shit you listen to
this is the way deductive reasoning ...
this is the way deductive reasoning works
- i have heard the have
- the have truly suck
- you have heard the have
- you think the have rock
- you are wrong because
- the have truly suck- there4
- your taste truly sucks
- i have not heard the checks or electric shakedown
- you have heard the checks & electric shakedown
- you think the checks & electric shakedown rock- but
- your taste truly sucks- there4
- the checks & electric shakedown truly suck
¿cool huh?- then again i agree with you on the sjf pacifier call
you cant fuckn say ne thing till you ...
you cant fuckn say ne thing till you hear them but if you dont lyk them thas your choice you dun have to be an ass hole about it, lyk chill out
and no, this doesn't mean i have a ...
and no, this doesn't mean i have a suck taste in music, it means that youdon't have any idea what real music is.
yea u dope head i sed that THE HAVE ...
yea u dope head i sed that THE HAVE were kinda 80's ish, but not really
no, but i do like pacifier, just ive ...
no, but i do like pacifier, just ive seen them live a lot. its good to hear new stuff. yea, like nathalie sed, you can like wateva the fuck you want. i was just making a mere passing comment at the time about the bands im into.
Oh! God! My whole argument falls down ...
Oh! God! My whole argument falls down around my knees because I mixed up the Datsuns and the Have! Lashed! It's not the first time that mistake's been made girls.
What a weird topic. "The Datsuns ...
What a weird topic.
"The Datsuns and the Have have their own distinct individual sounds."
"The Have are less raw than the Datsuns." The Datsuns are raw?
"The Datsuns are 80's influenced."
"Electric shakedown rock the fuck out of all those other bands"
If I wasn't rolling around on the floor laughing I'd tell you both that you have zero discernment. I'd say the Datsuns aren't original, but their performance is watertight. Pacifier started sounding like a generic US rock band but their performance is still superlative. Electric Shakedown's performance is sloppy and shambolic. They're pretty new so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe after practising in front of undiscerning teen fangirls like you for a couple of years they'll tighten up and write a couple of catchy songs. The checks are pretty good, but they still lack performance experience. Regardless of whether you like sjf / pacifier / dead flowers / the clean / the skeptics / supergroove / split enz / hallelujah picassos / head like a hole or not, regardless of what scale of 'good' they are, there's no denying that they're all supremely better than electric fucking shakedown. Then I'd tell you to try setting your sights a bit higher, because you're an embarrasment to the kiwi music audience. But I'm too busy rolling around on the floor laughing, so I won't bother saying any of that.
i reckon either i dont know anything ...
i reckon either i dont know anything about real music- or you you need to paste some more makeup over your quots- lie to your parents that youve finished your homework- & go running off to the mall with your dim & shallow friends- who suit you to a t
exactly...
exactly
people, lets all learn to accept each ...
people, lets all learn to accept each others different tastes in music... i'm doing my counsellor spiel, but really.... does everyone have to be so mean???? i can't stand all the negativity!!!!!! peace, love and happiness people....
yea, im fkn sick of this bullshit too. ...
yea, im fkn sick of this bullshit too. good call dude. all this bitchin and moaning is making me tired and hungry.....
i'm always hungry, i've been hungry ...
i'm always hungry, i've been hungry all day. i feel famished.
ditto. i am the hungry-meister. im ...
ditto. i am the hungry-meister. im gunna go get some jelly now.
there is no food in the house, i will ...
there is no food in the house, i will die of starvation.... does this have any relevance - no, nevermind, nice to share my hunger feelings. let it out. talk about it. no i'm not going to be a counsellor when i grow up.
Is New Zealand Music a band? Buy ...
Is New Zealand Music a band?
Buy the live Led Zep DVD then realize someone is cutting cheese.
Led Zep DVD good. Straightjacket fits ...
Led Zep DVD good. Straightjacket fits good. Shihad good. Cheese really good. Mmmm... cheese.
k im not from nz but been there many ...
k im not from nz but been there many times. U guyz have a kick ass music scene dat should b appreciated. caught a couple of cool kiwi bands at bdo. Scribe rocks.
Yeah I agree... there is lot of ...
Yeah I agree... there is lot of genuinely bad generic music being granted music video money from NZ on Air. There's a lot of innovative and even pleasant sounding music that is around, like perhaps Pluto, The Black Seeds, Confuscious (sp?). However it probably all goes down to personal taste - and we'll all be forever arguing if people say certain music is bad and another particular band/style is good... music's only good or bad if you personally like or dislike it. But one thing I think you can attack a particular band for is how generic they sound because this is less up to opinion and more down to fact.
yeah but if every thread on here didnt ...
yeah but if every thread on here didnt involve personal opinion, we'd have no discussion. We'd have people saying THING THING THING FACT ONE BLAH BLAH but then no one would want to participate. And when people aren't participating and saying STUPID things, then the moaners and bitchers dont participate because they cant attack the other users. Its like a chain reaction thing.
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Shane Carter tried to go mainstreamish ...
Shane Carter tried to go mainstreamish poorly , not quite coming home with the hooks.
And in doing so lost all alternative cred. failure
try as i might i have never heard one good song or even a snippet of decent melody come from this bewildered country.(myself included)
yes . YOU ALL SUCK and those with brains know it.
and by the way death machine NO...
and by the way death machine
NO
in retro spect the above seems a little ...
in retro spect the above seems a little harsh
for instance i just saw the new katchifire vid
absolutely loved it
the rest of you can fuck off though
I've been steadily observing this ...
I've been steadily observing this topic and I must say that I have been intrigued by the comments. This is my first topic, see.
I formed this so that I could see what people thought of the mediocrity, or otherwise, of NZ music and all I have seen is how many people like to whinge and moan about Falter (who I think are pretty darn fine) and The Datsuns (who are pure and utter Strokes/Ramones/Hives wannabes. That said, we are such a small country that all we can do is imitate other countries styles, save for a few artists and bands who have managed dto create an all new sound. It's the only way that this industry survives.
There is no such thing as originality.
The US took care of that long ago.
And listen to Bjork. Listen to her alot. She is a true original.
// all we can do is imitate other ...
// all we can do is imitate other countries styles
// There is no such thing as originality. The US took care of that long ago.
Try listening to something that's not on a major label - there's a whole world of music, nz & not, that you've not yet discovered.
//there's a whole world of music, nz & ...
//there's a whole world of music, nz & not, that you've not yet discovered.
I thought that I had said that. There are the blessed few that are true originals. One of my faves is Bjork, Icelandic artiste extrrrrraordinaire.
But the better part of it, NZ or not, is pure, utter, I'm-K-Lee-or-Adeaze-trying-to-be-cool-and-original-when-I'm-just-the-same-as-those-other-pop-wannabe-princesses/princes.
Just a point trying to be made.
//There are the blessed few that are ...
//There are the blessed few that are true originals
but that's just not true. my point is that for every klee there's a dozen artists that are "true originals" & worth checking out - & the majority you won't find in rollling stone or on a major label. Try these websites (for a start) & I think you'll be suprised at the amount of great music:
http://pitchforkmedia.com/
http://www.epitonic.com/
or just go through the mp3s on this site/smokecds.com/noizyland.com/amplifier.co.nz - nz has loads of innovative, cutting edge music.
I'm not meaning to be snarky, I just get a little pissy when people complain about the lack of good music when in reality it's just a matter of taking the time to look for it.
I'll keep my comments to the music I ...
I'll keep my comments to the music I listen to most (to try and stop me saying mean and nasty things about the bands that get the majority of the very little media attention available to NZ bands).... but there are some VERY good, original/exciting metal bands in NZ at the moment.
Dawn of Azazel - just released 'The Law of the Strong' which is pure brutality on CD, turn it up REAL loud and it will destroy anything within earshot... and they are about to embark on a European tour thanks to the Polish label who picked them up after the earlier demo and 7" releases... They describe their style as 'Militant Audio Apocalypse' which seems about right, they mix black/death/grind/power influences to create some pretty original music... oh yeah, you mar well have seen their video for Immortal Dominance' on C4 (as well as appearing on C4 and Juice in person)... http://dawnofazazel.orcon.net.nz
Ulcerate - Perhaps fitting more under exciting than 'original'... an extreme death/grind band who don't make you think "hey, they're trying to be 'Famous International Band X'" - you're more likely to think "these guys are every bit as good/better than 'Famous International Band X'" - combining great songwriting with some jaw dropping musicianship (their drummer Jamie is phenomenal... and he's only getting better too) these guys will have to be picked up by an overseas label (if there is ANY justice in this world)... http://ulcerate.orcon.net.nz
Backyard Burial - They refer to themselves as Lower Hutt Grind Scum... which fits them perfectly. They play a mixture of grind and death, with a downtuned 'groovier' feel... easily my favourite New Zealand band for their mixture of crazily heavy hooks, monster riffage, great vocals (you may remember Matt, their vocalist, from the cover of HLAH's 'Blood on the Honky Tonk Floor' album and poetic song titles (you just try and beat "You've got tourettes syndrome," "If it came down to it I'd eat you" or "Masturbation over catholic bitch" - pure class...
I think I might just list a few other NZ metal bands who are making music worth listening to... rather than turning this post into an all out epic... Graymalkin, Aphelon, Forced to Submit, Skuldom, Corpsefeast... the list could continue but I think you'll get the idea - NZ is producing some fantastic metal and our ability to churn out crap retro-rockers and dumbed down pop drivel shouldn't sully the good name of NZ music...
p.s. i'm just using metal as an example as it's what i listen to most... but there is also some fantastic original/interesting/exciting music in many other genres around too...