just because everyone is soooo over GnR and it's no longer 'cool' to like them, doesn't mean they should be slagged off. They were an awesome band around their hey day and wrote some epic songs, which remain awesome.
come on, I'm sure their are heaps of people on this site who loved GnR? Some bandana sporters. Some who had to peel off their leather pants... and my personal favourite the 'sideways' dancers after a few shandys.
Well, a greatest hits wouldn't come out if they weren't cool & popular. & I saw today it's #2 @ Sounds (dunno what that means) so it must be popular & cool & selling well.
ok, well your previous posts seem to indicate you thought they were already popular, hence got a greatest hits, TV specials.. etc, not the other way round.
hey we've got a GnR thread so we may as well use it.
Double Talkin' Jive is my favourite GnR song, followed by their cover of Mama Kin. I don't really enjoy the epic tracks off the Illusion albums as much as I used to, except for Breakdown which would probably be my #3.
Anyone else like GnR songs that don't feature on the Greatest Hits?
¿coma?- ¿some little known band?- ¿the gnr song?- ¿what youve been in for the last 15 yrs?- like i said- they wrote a handful of good songs- coming from me thats praise indeed- axel & co should be honoured- thats worth more than a grammy 2 oscars & spitzes medals combined- yes- their best equal mine
I enjoyed each members solo performance more than their actual songs with Axl.
But the old Gn'R really do make a better show than the nu-Gn'R thats for sure!!
Notice how shot Axl's voice was on 'Sweet Child Of Mine' & all that running, god!!
Their clothes were funny thou, Axl whats up with those shorts!!
I find GNR funny and fun, but there's nothing about them I can take seriously. Or is that the point?
I guess what I can't figure out is do the people who are big fans feel moved by the songs, relate to Axl's lyrics, etc. OR is it about good times rocking out to big solos?
c'mon.... even you can respect millions of dollars in the bank.
Myself, I can respect a lot of things about GnR. I think its fine if people don't like them, because its not their taste.... but I hate it when people go on about them being poor musicians/song writers, its just not true!
// Myself, I can respect a lot of things about GnR.
Yeah, I don't think they're a joke, all I'm saying is the songs hold no resonance for me. The ones I like it's in the sense of something fun to jump around to at a party with some friends or a car singalong or whatever... like 'Tainted Love' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody' or 'Wannabe'... I'm trying to suss whether their fans love them because they're so awesome in that way, or because eg. 'Get in the Ring' or 'Mr Brownstone' or whatever has a sentiment they connect with.
1- you pointing out who the darkness are ripping off for the benefit of whom?
retarded voom fans?
- retarded you actually- being a voom fan precludes being a retard- which is why you probly wont like them- whilst all the exes who dumped you on the 1st date- who you still rummage your groceries for- will
2-i know i sure as hell didn't say the darkness rip off Gnr but i'm sure your post seemed funny at the time.
as for your whole 'white bread suburban neighborhoods' attempt,
honestly
if you can't read
there's not really any point you joining the forums now is there...
- i can read- but retarded writing like yours makes comprehension of intended meaning- er- challenging- a few q's
a- ¿to whom did the post seem funny?- ¿you or i?
b- ¿have you emailed me your physical address at some point?- ¿is that why youre pissed?- ¿are you one of the applicants i refused to tutor?- or ¿is your address on the back of milk cartons/stapled onto powere poles the length & breadth of nz
i dont get it- ¿are you an idiot ?- or ¿are you a retard?
1- you pointing out who the darkness are ripping off for the benefit of whom?
retarded voom fans?
- retarded you actually- being a voom fan precludes being a retard- which is why you probly wont like them- whilst all the exes who dumped you pre the 1st date- who you still rummage your groceries for- will
2-i know i sure as hell didn't say the darkness rip off Gnr but i'm sure your post seemed funny at the time.
as for your whole 'white bread suburban neighborhoods' attempt,
honestly
if you can't read
there's not really any point you joining the forums now is there...
- i can read- but retarded writing like yours makes comprehension of intended meaning- er- challenging- a coupla q's
a- ¿to whom did the post seem funny?- ¿you or i?- or ¿a 3rd party- include such info next time
b- ¿have you emailed me your physical address at some point?- ¿is that why youre pissed?- ¿are you one of the applicants i refused to tutor?- or ¿is your address on the back of milk cartons/stapled onto power poles the length & breadth of nz?
i dont get it- ¿are you an idiot ?- ¿are you a retard?- or ¿maybe both?
Jet, they were never a hairmetal band, they were always a no nonesense hard rock band. what are you basing that on anyway? their early appearance? comparing them to bands like motley crue isn't cool man. check out the lyrics and structure of their lesser know songs, such as coma, breakdown and locomotive. brilliant stuff.
Dr g, that's right, it takes me 2 minutes to respond. And yeah, that is the point. Now move along young lady.
is that it?
you yield another dichotemy?
you call me a retard
then you tell me that being a fan precludes me from being a retard.
similar logic applies throughout in recent posts:
//they wrote a handful of good songs- coming from me thats praise indeed- axel & co should be honoured-
yet when i admonished the band with praise you jumped me
what is that?
you're pissed off you can't be the only fan?
when the word 'copyists' is used to describe band A in a comparitive example with another band B, it in no way implies that band A are copying band B.
we'll try again:
and UNLIKE those shit 'copyists' SILVERCHAIR, MC5 are also a true reflection of rock n roll.
note that SILVERCHAIR are not copying MC5
but
that MC5 are a true relection of rock n roll UNLIKE SILVERCHAIR.
there would only be confusion if
1) you thought the darkness sounded like GnR
or
2) you believe everyone is as stupid as your mates
essentially,
give it another shot Lena, I'm still not feeling it.
slash didn't nick a goddamn thing from jimmy. That's liek saying Jimmy stole his licks from struggling black blues and jazz musicians. But still lena, gnr>you.
guns n roses fucking rule
they have wicked songs structures
cool melodys and riffs
the reason none of you can relate is cos you're all middle class brandon/brenda walsh wannabes never had a hard day in your lives
go put on your cold play albums and thank your generous gods his daddy was able to fork out a million quids to buy him a record deal.
that's what it boils down to
Gnr is rock music with a lot of blues
it's about fast living and sex in the big city
when i'm in the big city and some little prick with nicks off with my wallet i think "welcome to the jungle"
when i'm drinking hard liquor at 3am caned off my toad i'm listening to "nighttrain" and i'm loving it
when i see dolled up slappers on k road, pedalling their sifty gashes for another cut hit i'm humming "well well my michelle"
when i see skanked out old junkies with scarred arms i'm thinking 'mr brownstone..he won't leave 'them' alone'
of course it's funny
get the joke
and unlike those shit 'no idea copyists the darkness' it's also a true reflection of rock n roll
g n r didn't pull out some self conscious 'this is just a joke' routine
they weren't confused about whether they were comedians or musicians
they were essentially a damn fine rock band with a toss all over the place 'talented' singer
If Slash nicked his style from anyone it's Joe Perry. Not that it makes one iota of difference - Slash still rules, along with Joe and Jimmy and the Darkness.
that took you six hours.
what's eating you lena.
you start a thread, you attack those who agree with you
you attack those who disagree with you
why are you always on the offensive?
why do you never have anything to add except spraying all over the show?
what's the issue?
you can let down your guard once in a while
it's ok to be you.
without hiding.
so i look like a retard, that was not my intent I only tried to make a point about how i enjoy the band
you can jump all over it and stick knives in, call me what you want, i bet you fell asleep tonight feeling like a real champ, that's cool lena, whatever floats your boat. i'm genuinely sorry if i caused you any offence today but i like guns n roses. it didn't take alot of effort to write that last one for you, it's not that i don't respect you as an individual. i really appreciate that you went to the effort of writing 2 draughts and i'm as disappointed as anyone that the second draught didn't get through. i'm sorry i wasn't 'lucid' enough the first time and i feel regret that this causes you to class me as retarded.
i will try in future to ensure i don't clumsily incur your wrath or ridicule. but really, what are the odds?
anyway, all joking aside and the best of luck for the future
no- it took me 6 hrs of being away from the comp- took mike a second to switch it on & pull up this page- took me another to laugh- at you- not with you- took me a coupla mins to dictate the reply- that took YOU 6 hrs- of waiting by the computer- hoping that i would reply- thereby giving you the op for another shot- & youre swingin- but im just hitting passing shots- theyre so quick- you dont even see them
2- ¿what's eating you lena?
hopefully my manfriend- later- dont hope in in vain that itll ever be you
3- ¿you attack those who agree with you you attack those who disagree with you?
brrzz- incorrect- im only attacking you- even tho you make it too easy- cos youre a retard
4- ¿why are you always on the offensive?
cos its fun- gave up pulling wings off flies when tiny- moved on to socrateasing retards & spazmoids
5- ¿why do you never have anything to add except spraying all over the show?
i do- youre just too much of a retard to understand it
6- ¿what's the issue?
the issue is- ¿why arent retards self aware?
7- ¿you can let down your guard once in a while?
it aint up- dont need to put it up for you- im too quick on my feet for you to land a punch
8- ¿it's ok to be you?
i know- wish i could right back atcha it
9- ¿so i look like a retard, that was not my intent?
its nobodies intention to look like a retard- it just comes naturally to some- like an unavoidable expression of their retardicity
10- ¿i bet you fell asleep tonight feeling like a real champ?
yeh- wow- this banter is so exciting
11- ¿i feel regret that this causes you to class me as retarded?
not just me hon
12- ¿what are the odds?
the odds are good- if you stop being a retard
anyway, all joking aside and the best of luck for the future
yeah same here, and i guess lena can get the prize for stating the obvious, but i guess she missed the point of the comment in relation to the earlier post:
//"At least the Darkness know they're a joke." - discuss
well well well lena O
to what do we owe your attempt at communication today?
not enough action on the voom board?
you pointing out who the darkness are ripping off for the benefit of whom?
retarded voom fans?
i know i sure as hell didn't say the darkness rip off Gnr but i'm sure your post seemed funny at the time.
as for your whole 'white bread suburban neighborhoods' attempt,
honestly
if you can't read
there's not really any point you joining the forums now is there...
¿dichotomy?- ¿when did i cleave you in twain?- gabi- who typed my reply- can remember what i wrote- the high sherrifs deemed it too much- he can email it you- i dont care 1 way or tother
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just because everyone is soooo over GnR ...
just because everyone is soooo over GnR and it's no longer 'cool' to like them, doesn't mean they should be slagged off. They were an awesome band around their hey day and wrote some epic songs, which remain awesome.
come on, I'm sure their are heaps of people on this site who loved GnR? Some bandana sporters. Some who had to peel off their leather pants... and my personal favourite the 'sideways' dancers after a few shandys.
I thought GNR were cool again now. ...
I thought GNR were cool again now. Seeing they have a greatest hits CD out & have so many C4 specials.
They have so many specials because of ...
They have so many specials because of the greatest hits coming out.
Well, a greatest hits wouldn't come ...
Well, a greatest hits wouldn't come out if they weren't cool & popular. & I saw today it's #2 @ Sounds (dunno what that means) so it must be popular & cool & selling well.
you know nothing....
you know nothing.
Please Saul, educate me then....
Please Saul, educate me then.
It's nothing about them being popular. ...
It's nothing about them being popular. The record company needed money, and people will buy anything with enough advertising.
Yes, true, but the advertising causes ...
Yes, true, but the advertising causes them to become popular. Therefore, because of all this new marketing & CD & C4 specials, GNR are cool & popular.
ok, well your previous posts seem to ...
ok, well your previous posts seem to indicate you thought they were already popular, hence got a greatest hits, TV specials.. etc, not the other way round.
You always seem to misunderstand posts ...
You always seem to misunderstand posts for your own benefit.
Actually, it's pretty clear I'm right....
Actually, it's pretty clear I'm right.
To yourself at least....
To yourself at least.
Lena, coma murders every song you've ...
Lena, coma murders every song you've ever written. I've had my say, may as well lock this threda now.
hey we've got a GnR thread so we may ...
hey we've got a GnR thread so we may as well use it.
Double Talkin' Jive is my favourite GnR song, followed by their cover of Mama Kin. I don't really enjoy the epic tracks off the Illusion albums as much as I used to, except for Breakdown which would probably be my #3.
Anyone else like GnR songs that don't feature on the Greatest Hits?
¿coma?- ¿some little known band?- ¿the ...
¿coma?- ¿some little known band?- ¿the gnr song?- ¿what youve been in for the last 15 yrs?- like i said- they wrote a handful of good songs- coming from me thats praise indeed- axel & co should be honoured- thats worth more than a grammy 2 oscars & spitzes medals combined- yes- their best equal mine
is it's so easy on there? that's ...
is it's so easy on there? that's tops.
def in the top 10, haven't thought ...
def in the top 10, haven't thought much past 3
I enjoyed each members solo performance ...
I enjoyed each members solo performance more than their actual songs with Axl.
But the old Gn'R really do make a better show than the nu-Gn'R thats for sure!!
Notice how shot Axl's voice was on 'Sweet Child Of Mine' & all that running, god!!
Their clothes were funny thou, Axl whats up with those shorts!!
I find GNR funny and fun, but there's ...
I find GNR funny and fun, but there's nothing about them I can take seriously. Or is that the point?
I guess what I can't figure out is do the people who are big fans feel moved by the songs, relate to Axl's lyrics, etc. OR is it about good times rocking out to big solos?
//there's nothing about them I can ...
//there's nothing about them I can take seriously. Or is that the point?
"At least the Darkness know they're a joke." - discuss.
I love it how you're trying to ...
I love it how you're trying to indicate they're some lame hairmetal band.
cough. I'm a fan too, Saul. I ...
cough.
I'm a fan too, Saul. I just don't take them as seriously as you do. It's ok, pal. No hard feelings?
fuck off little girl. I wasn't ...
fuck off little girl. I wasn't replying to your post. Notice how close the post times are? yeah.
/nothing I can take seriously ...
/nothing I can take seriously //
c'mon.... even you can respect millions of dollars in the bank.
Myself, I can respect a lot of things about GnR. I think its fine if people don't like them, because its not their taste.... but I hate it when people go on about them being poor musicians/song writers, its just not true!
I think its more about their attitude ...
I think its more about their attitude which is a joke
// I love it how you're trying to ...
// I love it how you're trying to indicate they're some lame hairmetal band.
That is how I think of them.
What are your thoughts?
// Myself, I can respect a lot of ...
// Myself, I can respect a lot of things about GnR.
Yeah, I don't think they're a joke, all I'm saying is the songs hold no resonance for me. The ones I like it's in the sense of something fun to jump around to at a party with some friends or a car singalong or whatever... like 'Tainted Love' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody' or 'Wannabe'... I'm trying to suss whether their fans love them because they're so awesome in that way, or because eg. 'Get in the Ring' or 'Mr Brownstone' or whatever has a sentiment they connect with.
What, Saul, you can't read and click ...
What, Saul, you can't read and click 'reply' in under 2 minutes?
That's not the point anyway. Whether or not you were talking to me, I decided to reply. Calm yourself, no need for obscene hypocrasies.
well well well meatsevice- 1- you ...
well well well meatsevice-
1- you pointing out who the darkness are ripping off for the benefit of whom?
retarded voom fans?
- retarded you actually- being a voom fan precludes being a retard- which is why you probly wont like them- whilst all the exes who dumped you on the 1st date- who you still rummage your groceries for- will
2-i know i sure as hell didn't say the darkness rip off Gnr but i'm sure your post seemed funny at the time.
as for your whole 'white bread suburban neighborhoods' attempt,
honestly
if you can't read
there's not really any point you joining the forums now is there...
- i can read- but retarded writing like yours makes comprehension of intended meaning- er- challenging- a few q's
a- ¿to whom did the post seem funny?- ¿you or i?
b- ¿have you emailed me your physical address at some point?- ¿is that why youre pissed?- ¿are you one of the applicants i refused to tutor?- or ¿is your address on the back of milk cartons/stapled onto powere poles the length & breadth of nz
i dont get it- ¿are you an idiot ?- or ¿are you a retard?
well well well meatsevice- 1- you ...
well well well meatsevice-
1- you pointing out who the darkness are ripping off for the benefit of whom?
retarded voom fans?
- retarded you actually- being a voom fan precludes being a retard- which is why you probly wont like them- whilst all the exes who dumped you pre the 1st date- who you still rummage your groceries for- will
2-i know i sure as hell didn't say the darkness rip off Gnr but i'm sure your post seemed funny at the time.
as for your whole 'white bread suburban neighborhoods' attempt,
honestly
if you can't read
there's not really any point you joining the forums now is there...
- i can read- but retarded writing like yours makes comprehension of intended meaning- er- challenging- a coupla q's
a- ¿to whom did the post seem funny?- ¿you or i?- or ¿a 3rd party- include such info next time
b- ¿have you emailed me your physical address at some point?- ¿is that why youre pissed?- ¿are you one of the applicants i refused to tutor?- or ¿is your address on the back of milk cartons/stapled onto power poles the length & breadth of nz?
i dont get it- ¿are you an idiot ?- ¿are you a retard?- or ¿maybe both?
Jet, they were never a hairmetal band, ...
Jet, they were never a hairmetal band, they were always a no nonesense hard rock band. what are you basing that on anyway? their early appearance? comparing them to bands like motley crue isn't cool man. check out the lyrics and structure of their lesser know songs, such as coma, breakdown and locomotive. brilliant stuff.
Dr g, that's right, it takes me 2 minutes to respond. And yeah, that is the point. Now move along young lady.
wow--- cool...
wow--- cool
hey man- th 2nd 1 was the finished ...
hey man- th 2nd 1 was the finished draft- & now youve disappeared it
is that it? you yield another ...
is that it?
you yield another dichotemy?
you call me a retard
then you tell me that being a fan precludes me from being a retard.
similar logic applies throughout in recent posts:
//they wrote a handful of good songs- coming from me thats praise indeed- axel & co should be honoured-
yet when i admonished the band with praise you jumped me
what is that?
you're pissed off you can't be the only fan?
when the word 'copyists' is used to describe band A in a comparitive example with another band B, it in no way implies that band A are copying band B.
we'll try again:
and UNLIKE those shit 'copyists' SILVERCHAIR, MC5 are also a true reflection of rock n roll.
note that SILVERCHAIR are not copying MC5
but
that MC5 are a true relection of rock n roll UNLIKE SILVERCHAIR.
there would only be confusion if
1) you thought the darkness sounded like GnR
or
2) you believe everyone is as stupid as your mates
essentially,
give it another shot Lena, I'm still not feeling it.
saul- if you havent realized yet that ...
saul- if you havent realized yet that hard rockin bands are mostly nonsense- then you havent noticed
- axls ridiculous getups- ¿tight boxer undies?- ¿cucumber wrapped in tinfoil anyone?- nicked from mick
- slashes extended & superfluous solos- nicked from jimmy
- the caricature tattoo- nod to the ramones
- gonzoid drummer- nicked from slade
- the instrumental undertures- nicked from wakeman & co
honestly- wake up & smell my trouserquack
It's your one-stop shop. Why go ...
It's your one-stop shop. Why go anywhereelse?
slash didn't nick a goddamn thing from ...
slash didn't nick a goddamn thing from jimmy. That's liek saying Jimmy stole his licks from struggling black blues and jazz musicians. But still lena, gnr>you.
Dr G, I apologise. I forgot that you ...
Dr G, I apologise. I forgot that you are small, weak and girlish. Can we start again?
guns n roses fucking rule they have ...
guns n roses fucking rule
they have wicked songs structures
cool melodys and riffs
the reason none of you can relate is cos you're all middle class brandon/brenda walsh wannabes never had a hard day in your lives
go put on your cold play albums and thank your generous gods his daddy was able to fork out a million quids to buy him a record deal.
that's what it boils down to
Gnr is rock music with a lot of blues
it's about fast living and sex in the big city
when i'm in the big city and some little prick with nicks off with my wallet i think "welcome to the jungle"
when i'm drinking hard liquor at 3am caned off my toad i'm listening to "nighttrain" and i'm loving it
when i see dolled up slappers on k road, pedalling their sifty gashes for another cut hit i'm humming "well well my michelle"
when i see skanked out old junkies with scarred arms i'm thinking 'mr brownstone..he won't leave 'them' alone'
of course it's funny
get the joke
and unlike those shit 'no idea copyists the darkness' it's also a true reflection of rock n roll
g n r didn't pull out some self conscious 'this is just a joke' routine
they weren't confused about whether they were comedians or musicians
they were essentially a damn fine rock band with a toss all over the place 'talented' singer
er--- yeh--- 12 yr olds like you really ...
er--- yeh--- 12 yr olds like you really come into contact w a lotta skanked out junkies in your middleclass white bread suburban neighbourhoods ¿huh?
o--- & the darkness are a ripoff of ...
o--- & the darkness are a ripoff of 70's rock--- not runts in gauzes
If Slash nicked his style from anyone ...
If Slash nicked his style from anyone it's Joe Perry. Not that it makes one iota of difference - Slash still rules, along with Joe and Jimmy and the Darkness.
er--- if you werent feeling it- you ...
er--- if you werent feeling it- you wouldnt be trying to write so lucidly- & yet sounding more like a- retard
that took you six hours. what's ...
that took you six hours.
what's eating you lena.
you start a thread, you attack those who agree with you
you attack those who disagree with you
why are you always on the offensive?
why do you never have anything to add except spraying all over the show?
what's the issue?
you can let down your guard once in a while
it's ok to be you.
without hiding.
so i look like a retard, that was not my intent I only tried to make a point about how i enjoy the band
you can jump all over it and stick knives in, call me what you want, i bet you fell asleep tonight feeling like a real champ, that's cool lena, whatever floats your boat. i'm genuinely sorry if i caused you any offence today but i like guns n roses. it didn't take alot of effort to write that last one for you, it's not that i don't respect you as an individual. i really appreciate that you went to the effort of writing 2 draughts and i'm as disappointed as anyone that the second draught didn't get through. i'm sorry i wasn't 'lucid' enough the first time and i feel regret that this causes you to class me as retarded.
i will try in future to ensure i don't clumsily incur your wrath or ridicule. but really, what are the odds?
anyway, all joking aside and the best of luck for the future
kindest regards
chris
o well 1- ¿that took you six ...
o well
1- ¿that took you six hours?
no- it took me 6 hrs of being away from the comp- took mike a second to switch it on & pull up this page- took me another to laugh- at you- not with you- took me a coupla mins to dictate the reply- that took YOU 6 hrs- of waiting by the computer- hoping that i would reply- thereby giving you the op for another shot- & youre swingin- but im just hitting passing shots- theyre so quick- you dont even see them
2- ¿what's eating you lena?
hopefully my manfriend- later- dont hope in in vain that itll ever be you
3- ¿you attack those who agree with you you attack those who disagree with you?
brrzz- incorrect- im only attacking you- even tho you make it too easy- cos youre a retard
4- ¿why are you always on the offensive?
cos its fun- gave up pulling wings off flies when tiny- moved on to socrateasing retards & spazmoids
5- ¿why do you never have anything to add except spraying all over the show?
i do- youre just too much of a retard to understand it
6- ¿what's the issue?
the issue is- ¿why arent retards self aware?
7- ¿you can let down your guard once in a while?
it aint up- dont need to put it up for you- im too quick on my feet for you to land a punch
8- ¿it's ok to be you?
i know- wish i could right back atcha it
9- ¿so i look like a retard, that was not my intent?
its nobodies intention to look like a retard- it just comes naturally to some- like an unavoidable expression of their retardicity
10- ¿i bet you fell asleep tonight feeling like a real champ?
yeh- wow- this banter is so exciting
11- ¿i feel regret that this causes you to class me as retarded?
not just me hon
12- ¿what are the odds?
the odds are good- if you stop being a retard
anyway, all joking aside and the best of luck for the future
kindest regards
retard
//o--- & the darkness are a ripoff of ...
//o--- & the darkness are a ripoff of 70's rock--- not runts in gauzes
i agree there lena.
yeah same here, and i guess lena can ...
yeah same here, and i guess lena can get the prize for stating the obvious, but i guess she missed the point of the comment in relation to the earlier post:
//"At least the Darkness know they're a joke." - discuss
well well well lena O to what do we ...
well well well lena O
to what do we owe your attempt at communication today?
not enough action on the voom board?
you pointing out who the darkness are ripping off for the benefit of whom?
retarded voom fans?
i know i sure as hell didn't say the darkness rip off Gnr but i'm sure your post seemed funny at the time.
as for your whole 'white bread suburban neighborhoods' attempt,
honestly
if you can't read
there's not really any point you joining the forums now is there...
¿dichotomy?- ¿when did i cleave you in ...
¿dichotomy?- ¿when did i cleave you in twain?- gabi- who typed my reply- can remember what i wrote- the high sherrifs deemed it too much- he can email it you- i dont care 1 way or tother
so many words- what a waste- hey ...
so many words- what a waste- hey messturdus- just cos im mean dont mean im wrong- engage brain before typing- cock