Deja vu is what moves you

This has been bugging me a bit but why is it that we take a quick liking to familiar songs?

Now this doesn't have to be obvious familiarity but still there. Like how if you listen to a certain group of bands they all sound the same till you listen again and again. The differences become quite apparant.

Singles tend to be immediate favourites on the few couple of listens on an album. Additional visits reveal other tracks speak more clearly.

Cover songs become hits even crap ones like Joss Stone's "Fell in Love with a Boy". Jet's not so clear remake of 'Lust for Life'.

Our tastes reflect what we instantly grab and dismiss. People say that the world of 'Pop' with it's repetition is stagnating music but is it this mindset? The casual listener hardly ever past listen one in unfamiliar terratory.

Does this translate to other forms, movies, books? Paintings probably.

It is like our mind is being weary of the unknown music. Possible danger lurks ahead, proceed with caution. Perhaps those that are willing to take more risks are more receptable to foreign sounds.

Aspects that you like in one genre, do you seek them in others. Is that what defines the music we like in genres? As we discover new aspects in a genre is the increment parallel in the others?

Oh the questions. Are the answers just staring right back?

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I don't have answers as such, but thoughts in response...lamejoke style.

There is a common theory that the human brain searches for things it knows or likes - that's why you only notice how many people have the same style shirt as you do after you buy it, or why you walk into a music store when it's playing a song you like, or...ah, I'll leave this til when my brain is running on sleep rather than caffeine. Sorry. I'll stop trying to be intellekshool now. But...kinda along the same lines? A little? No? Ok.

Yes, similar. But this is more about the subconcious.
While in the process rather than post.
Actually the lines aren't that clear.

Yes.

Theirs a professor from Wellington studying this phenonomen. National Radio aired some of his findings/ beliefs last year. The music we remember is/ has powerful memory associations with what we were doing when we heard it.[normally positive]. So we hear something new that reminds us of a fav song that reminds us of a particularry good night on the town. This also applies to how we can remember lyrical content even though we may not have heard the tune in years... try it next time this occurs to you , it may be possible to get a clear memory of a particular situation from years ago.For me the "hit" portishead had a few years ago was inseperable from the Issac Hayes song they ripped it off from, which reminded me of courting my wife. So I like, am favourable to the Portishead tune not nessacarily from its "musical value", but from the good times it makes me recall.Wether this phenonom is applicable to the other arts, Im not sure, I think this study was music only.

Awesome. I hadn't quite got to that point. I think I may have flirted with it but no dice.
That opens up a whole new avenue for marketers.
I hope that guy gets the rewards from that research.

It may be possible to "bring the state of mind" on. The parrell I use is in that songwriting Ive found that an extremely fertile time is when Im getting tired. This "1/2 awakw, 1/2 asleep", can be brought on and is extremley useful if im performing a difficult piece, a certain clarity through almost not thinking about it. Neil Finn, Anthony Jackson and Prince have all stated that they believe a similar process enables them to write and or perform.So yeah, i think your post is multi-faceted, its way deeper than just familiarty, the Wellington Proffs research also includes chemical changes in brain when we hear "good music". So try National Radio archivies or NZ Listner magazine cos they had interveiw report with Proff.

"déjà vu" moves me? man, and why not the "jamaois vu"? .. both mental "sensations" can be a reason but not the cause
Anyway, personally, the music is what moves me .. and not the psychiatry ... and I think we need an "open mind" hearing music. I do it, and like we say in my land "in the variety u get the good taste" translated word by word, but I think u will get the meaning. Musical "biodiversity" is great.
Good shot, but too much philosophycal to me..
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remember- de ja vu= a glitch in the matrix

Now this doesn't have to be obvious familiarity but still there. Like how if you taste a certain range of spreads they all taste the same till you sample again and again. The differences become quite apparant.

Advertised butters tends to be immediate favourites to start with . Additional additional taste tests reveal other spreads are often more enjoyable.

margarine become is popular because it copies most of what butter is about while remaining easier to spread.

Our tastes reflect what we instantly grab and dismiss. People say that the world of Dairy products and edible lubricants are stagnating our arteries but is it this mindset? The casual snacker hardly ever moves past taste test one in unfamiliar terratory.

Does this translate to other forms, soups, vegetables? confectionary probably.

It is like our mind is being weary of the unknown. Possible danger lurks ahead, proceed with caution. Perhaps those that are willing to take more risks are more receptable to foreign tastes.

Aspects that you like in one food preperation style, do you seek them in others. Is that what defines the food we like in styles? As we discover new aspects in a cuisine is the increment parallel in the others?

Oh the questions. Are the answers just staring right back?

ahhaha .. rope, are u IronYman?
cuisine is what moves you? ... Yes!
gastronomical "biodiversity" is also great!
http://www.time.com/time/innovators/culinary/profile_adria.html and his website http://www.elbulli.com/ .. wata crack!

//receptable

Oh, Stefan. You're one of the few people who can make up words and it'll actually endear you to me more, instead of making me want to bust a cap in yo' ass.

As for your questions, I think familiarity is the greatest running theme in the universe. Animals naturally oppose change. For the sake of evolution, I suggest we embrace it.

The thing is it bugs me when I find out I've made a mistake but I don't think it bugs me quite enough to use a spell checker. I like to think I'm on the ball with my spelling but I find I use writing so little that it all slowly erodes.

I think the reason that familiarity is so effective in music is because it helps us understand music easily. We tend to like familiar things because we understand them more easily than we do non-familiar things. I didn't really get into hip-hop and drum and bass type music for a long time because I didn't understand it. I didn't understand what to listen for, where the themes lay etc, because it's more beat orientated than what I had grown up with, which was more based on melody.
Its not that we like to hear the same thing again and again, but that we don;t make big jumps easily, unless of course we try. With pop music, you can;t rely on the listeners to 'try' to like it and search for the interest, it has to be immediately apparent. That (I think) is why repetition and familiarity is so succesful in pop music; not because its better or because we like it more, but merely because it communicates with songthing we already understand.
Reusing and well-known music theme is an obvious way of exploiting this. Music considered innovative tends to be more subtle in this technique. Music that is considered cliche uses techniques that have reached their saturation point and are no longer effective. Not that I think people who write music think about it in this way, but I think it could explain why some songs are popular and others aren't.

p.s. a feeble plug for my band: the red circle gang are playing this friday (19th) @ the cross, come along!

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