Helen Clark just can't wait to exploit it
congratulations are due to LOTR's team
but why do we place so much stead on Hollywood's opinions?
Helen Clark just can't wait to exploit it
congratulations are due to LOTR's team
but why do we place so much stead on Hollywood's opinions?
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Because they have more money than us ...
Because they have more money than us and we want the bling. Duh.
nice way to cheapen the whole creative ...
nice way to cheapen the whole creative process
nice one!
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we ain't talking cheap...
we ain't talking cheap
read the link, the sound editor ...
read the link,
the sound editor makes some comments about how he is a little underpaid and undervalued
Yes, a very well done to Peter Jackson ...
Yes, a very well done to Peter Jackson and friends.
A pity Whale Rider (or Keisha) didn't win anything. C'est la vie - nominations were still quite an achievement, especially the Best Actress for Keisha.
yeah she was great i thought whale ...
yeah she was great
i thought whale rider was a much better film
for example it actually had some emotion
and they used animatronic whales rather than cgi
I still think they should've used real ...
I still think they should've used real whales (I know, I know...)
yeah just being nominated was pretty ...
yeah just being nominated was pretty amazing, everyone in that category was deserving of an oscar
I hear she had never acted in her life ...
I hear she had never acted in her life before whale rider, so thats even more amazing. I hope she gos onto bigger things, and not shortland street.... well unless she wants to I guess.
its like reading those fairy tales as a ...
its like reading those fairy tales as a kid - the moral of the issue is, something huge can be acheived for something (in this case a nation) so small. Congratulations Mr. Jackson.
It could have been shot anywhere, ...
It could have been shot anywhere, though ... I've been non-plussed by the whole LOTR thing - I have to admit I haven't seen any though, not really my sort of movie. But why has there been all this carry on about the oscars? Who cares how many awards or whatever it wins - if you had a good time going to it, and the people had fun making it, isn't that all that matters?
Or am I beginning to succumb to grumpy old man syndrome ...
//Or am I beginning to succumb to ...
//Or am I beginning to succumb to grumpy old man syndrome ...
yeap - its ok to smile sometimes.. and be proud of our film makers.. we dont have to mow down all the pretty poppies..
also - you havent seen any of the films? - ummm.. then i think any of your opinions are hollow and borish.. please shut the hell up... thankyou
of course....my above thread was not ...
of course....my above thread was not directed for LOTR, it was directed at New Zealand - the moral of the story, even something so small can acheive something so big, as for LOTR i reckon its so majorly over-rated, anyway i couldnt understand why they blocked off half of wgtn for it and took up 45 minutes of a 1 hour new bulletin dedicated towards it, it would be a diffferent story if something tragic (ie. sir edmund hillary passing on) happened, obviously thats what my thrad meant, no matter how small u are, the big opportunities can be reached and attained. and of course peter jackson has some other cool movies (heavanly creatures, braindead), i was marely congratulating him for being a kiwi rather than LOTR
Well samflux, I haven't seen the ...
Well samflux, I haven't seen the movies, but I think I'm still allowed an opinion on whether there has been too much media coverage of the whole oscar awards stuff ... which is after all what this thread is about! I got no beef with the movies winning any awards, like I said, just not my thing ... and good on Peter Jackson for taking out best director!
But unless you come up with a better arguement than you don't like my comments then I still think there's been too much media fuss, and as a side note I'm not convinced the oscars are the be all and end all of film making ...
Oh, and point noted Sam!...
Oh, and point noted Sam!
//But unless you come up with a better ...
//But unless you come up with a better arguement than you don't like my comments then I still think there's been too much media fuss
hey you might be right.. i reakon the media can be an evil best.. it was your opening sentance that made me a little wild, it was like a tone setter.. so everything else you wrote go tasnished all nasty like...
//Who cares how many awards or whatever it wins
this kicked me into another gear.. obviously heaps of people care, including some folks who give us kiwis more money to have fun making movies.. - but you dont care.. thats ok by me
//if you had a good time going to it, and the people had fun making it, isn't that all that matters?
come on man - things arent black and white, people are different.. thats what makes the world interesting.. maybe you'd be a no show.. but maybe some people really like getting an oscar.. who knows.. not me and not you
//and as a side note I'm not convinced ...
//and as a side note I'm not convinced the oscars are the be all and end all of film making ...
yeah not by any stretch of the imagination - hitchcock never won best director...
//hey you might be right.. i reakon the ...
//hey you might be right.. i reakon the media can be an evil best.. it was your opening sentance that made me a little wild, it was like a tone setter.. so everything else you wrote go tasnished all nasty like...
Yeah, maybe I shold've put I'm not convinced by the LOTR oscars hoopla ... probably would've clarified my point a bit ...
//this kicked me into another gear.. obviously heaps of people care, including some folks who give us kiwis more money to have fun making movies.. - but you dont care.. thats ok by me
Yeah, but has winning the oscars had that much influence on money being spent on future NZ films or more films being shot in NZ? I dunno, I think LOTR would have made more of an impact by its huge gross or great reviews ...
//come on man - things arent black and white, people are different.. thats what makes the world interesting.. maybe you'd be a no show.. but maybe some people really like getting an oscar.. who knows.. not me and not you
Well there's no doubting people seem to love getting oscars ... darned if I know why though. If I was nominated I'd certainly show up, but I couldn't really care less if I won or not ...
//Well there's no doubting people seem ...
//Well there's no doubting people seem to love getting oscars ... darned if I know why though. If I was nominated I'd certainly show up, but I couldn't really care less if I won or not ...
Is that sarcasm? Please let it be sarcasm. Why wouldn't you want recognition from your peers, a ticket to do the job you loved however you wanted it, and gratification for a job well done as well as increased financial rewards and the chance to become a role model for thousands of other people?
//Is that sarcasm? Please let it be ...
//Is that sarcasm? Please let it be sarcasm. Why wouldn't you want recognition from your peers, a ticket to do the job you loved however you wanted it, and gratification for a job well done as well as increased financial rewards and the chance to become a role model for thousands of other people?
Why would I want those things? I just think the LOTR films have achieved most of those aims anyway, 11 Oscars or none at all ... it's obvious people enjoyed it, I'm sure everyone involved will have offers of work ... and they are clearly role models (look at all the toys, books, jigsaw puzzles, etc around). And definitely they are all now loaded!
But personally, nah can't say I really want any of those things ... I'm happy doing my own thing - if I've got enough money to pay the bills then that's all I ask!
I become so sick of hearing "New ...
I become so sick of hearing "New Zealand" mentioned during the Oscars broadcast. I'm going to avoid all media outlets for the next few weeks, until the nation's erection subsides.
Why did Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson show up to the Oscars dressed like parents going to a school prize giving evening? It can't just be that they're from New Zealand.
And that Richard Taylor guy. He freaks me out. He's like a someone doing a parody of a typicoow New Zillinder, except he's for real. When he gave thanks to his "paaaahtner" I almost threw up.
it's called pride...
it's called pride
//Why did Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson ...
//Why did Fran Walsh and Peter Jackson show up to the Oscars dressed like parents going to a school prize giving evening? It can't just be that they're from New Zealand
well - apparently they dont buy into all the glitz and glam...
they don't care - it dont get any cooler than that
the cultural cringe at work...
the cultural cringe at work
I dunno. I don't normally get much ...
I dunno. I don't normally get much cultural cringe happening. One of my favourite New Zealand cultural moments was when Chris Matthews sing "kiss my *arse*" in the Headless Chicken's railway surfing.
But seeing all the New Zealand Lord of the Rings people giving their acceptance speeches was strange. Anna Paquin, Jane Campion, Russell Crowe, they all seemed like ordinary New Zealand (or in Russ's case semi-NZ) people when they got their awards. But many of the NZ LOTR people seemed like weird cartoon characters.
I guess I just don't identify with fruity ladies with big unkempt hair or dorky guys who thank their "paaaahtnaaaah", and I wouldn't no matter what country they came from.
Somewhere in my logic process I think this means I relate more to Russell Crowe than Fran Walsh. Err...
richard taylor rules his accent is ...
richard taylor rules
his accent is legendary
he must have been a teacher at some point
is he for real
when he makes love to his partner does it include a thick elongated new zuland accent
or just a thick elongated nz penis
coupled with an oscar doing god knows what
Any Prime Minister would beat the dead ...
Any Prime Minister would beat the dead horse.
God damn, how many times was New Zealand mentioned?
Thank fuck there isn't another LOTR movie.
i think some of nz's past prime ...
i think some of nz's past prime ministers might be a little less crass
we must remember this is a women who values creativity so much
she sold someone elses painting as her own
then had the evidence destroyed
Oh yeah I can totally see Brash or ...
Oh yeah I can totally see Brash or Muldoon or anyone from ACT getting right behind LOTR. Oh no wait, no I can't.
I'll give credit to the previous National government for creating the tax incentive schemes that allowed LOTR to be made here, but in terms of supporting any other kind of creativity, Clark's labour government is a million miles ahead of anyone else. And quite frankly, I'd much rather that my prime minister occupied her time running the country rather than wasting it drawing pictures.
same here...
same here
//Thank fuck there isn't another LOTR ...
//Thank fuck there isn't another LOTR movie.
i totally disagree
for christsake dude
it fucking rules
did u know gollum was cgi?, like completely cgi?
not as wicked as jar jar though
wow. all this negativity over a ...
wow. all this negativity over a fantastic achievement for NZ arts.
yeeeap...
yeeeap
I think these forums are making our ...
I think these forums are making our country sound like it's full of "backwater" hayseeds.
I blame the lurkers who say nothing in opposition to the destruction of emerging goodness. Cowardice.
Maybe it's like when you stop talking ...
Maybe it's like when you stop talking about playtime and start talking about interval. Or when you stop running to class when the bell rings. Too cool for school. To quote Finn the Younger, "It's hip to be detached and precious".
But it does almost seem a Tall Poppy thing. They should be congratulated, not mocked.
I reckon it's awesome to think that ...
I reckon it's awesome to think that New Zealand was able to make a film as good as 'Titanic'. ;)
Just jokes... the practical implications are great for those involved, however my personal tastes and those of the Academy might differ.
On the practical implication, do people think these awards will have some kind of "trickle down" effect for movies that aren't clear cut morality tales based around spectacle and action? (ie. "not Hollywood")
DISCLAIMER: I went to all three, and enjoyed myself. I just like some other kinds of movies more. And for that kind of movie there are things I enjoy more too.
strange how so many people whose ...
strange how so many people whose comments i respect
can't seem to get the idea around the idea of this thread
it's a tough one i admit
but why don't you discuss the thread's topic?
nice! actually I was riding off into ...
nice! actually I was riding off into the metaphorical sunset...
gotta love it when it gets pulled back to the topic. overuled!
//but why don't you discuss the ...
//but why don't you discuss the thread's topic?
If people started a new thread every time there was a slight deviation in topic, they'd be new topics spring up every five minutes. It's not that people are missing your original point necessarily, just that there are other issues being taken issue with. I, for one, am happy just to be basking in the reflected glow for a moment.
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oops. Make that Basking in Reflected Glory.
for 'basking' see next thread up...
for 'basking' see next thread up
> but why do we place so much stead on ...
> but why do we place so much stead on Hollywood's opinions?
because it's the benchmark of making filmmaking recognition? just look at how much the awards mean to the winners when they receive them - this is the best industry recognition they can get. take a look at the history - there are some fantastic actors/actresses/directors/editors in there.
Cannes...
Cannes
> but why do we place so much stead on ...
> but why do we place so much stead on Hollywood's opinions?
I can't think of anything better than: why not? Peter Jackson seems to be quite outspoken about things he feels strongly about, and he appears to be very happy about getting this recognition. I would say he is the best person to judge whether these awards are of benefit.
Also: calling this the 'hollywood' opinion might be stretching things for the sake of your point? Isn't it the Academy Awards? Is that more than 'Hollywood'? In terms of mainstream film industry is Hollywood bad?
> Cannes sorry, it was supposed to ...
> Cannes
sorry, it was supposed to read "because it's the benchmark of major filmmaking recognition? "
cannes is more about arty films. the oscars are the benchmark for films in general - and i'd say overall - cannes included.
yeah Hollywood is mainstream (English ...
yeah Hollywood is mainstream (English language) cinema
at least it was until last night
by Hollywood i don't that small suburb in LA
clarifying the distinction between the Academy and 'Hollywood' could be a time consuming prosess
// but why do we place so much stead on ...
// but why do we place so much stead on Hollywood's opinions?
And is it really Hollywood's opinion? Membership of the Academy is offered either when two members nominate a person, or the person is nominated for an Academy Award. There is not exact figure on the geographical make-up that I can find, but that would suggest that the membership should be reasonably international (or at least not as US skewed as you might expect).
here's my nickel's worth .... less ...
here's my nickel's worth .... less about the artistry, more about what this unbelieveable advertisement is selling.
this is a crazy big deal for nz's screen production industry - film, tv, the whole nine yards. it means more kudos for jackson - he's already considered one of the 20 most powerful people in hollywood (and he doesn't even live there). and it means more attention, interest &c for nz made films getting distribution deals, actors getting jobs, etc. this helps our local film industry grow. i think this is good.
it's very clear to me that this is new zealand's year in the US - that is - the year that the great welt of the US becomes more aware of who we are, where we are, and why we're 'ok'. this may not matter to some of you. on some levels i understand that point of view. but understand this - nz is totally dependent on its exporting companies to make profits, and the economy grows so they pay taxes. the more nz is on the radar of joe six-pack and mary soccer-mom in Sheboygan, Wn, the easier for nz companies to export more stuff. and that makes it possible for our standard of living to be better and so on and so on. this is important if you care about what nz will be like in 10-20-50 years time.
an amazing artistic achievement - yes; an inspiration to generations of nz's creative people - yes; an advertisement to tell a 'more than just clean and green and full of sheep' story about nz thereby promoting nz for what it really is - clever, switched on, a first-world country with the same highs and lows as any other 1st world country - yes; exploitation? - no - just how it works ...
//nz is totally dependent on its ...
//nz is totally dependent on its exporting companies to make profits, and the economy grows so they pay taxes. the more nz is on the radar of joe six-pack and mary soccer-mom in Sheboygan, Wn, the easier for nz companies to export more stuff. and that makes it possible for our standard of living to be better and so on and so on.
agreed it's the way it works
but if the oscar winning sound editor is taking issue with long hours and little pay
and you're concerned how it will enrich your standard of living
-that's expoitation
I was proud..so proud. especially how ...
I was proud..so proud. especially how Peter jackson looked so fucken rockn'roll :)...looked straight out of Blondie.
i tell you what though...i was a bit embarrassed how LOTR was like the "bully film"..the big blockbuster giving nobody else a chance..I mean, the Cinematography and editing in "city of God" blew my mind...fuck, i haven't been so inspired by a film lately..I didn't think alot of the editing/photography in Rings..but ah well..at leat LOTR won and not Master and Commander (ewwwww)
Kudos to everyone involved. Much respect to Fran and Peter for not buying into the glitz.