there's quite a few NZ and ex-NZ artists at or near the top of the various dance scenes...
Concord Dawn, Bulletproof, Freq Nasty, Daniel Bedingfield, Steve 'Mr. Bishi' Hill, etc. . .
-All doing very well at the moment
though they might be "all doing very well at the moment", their impact is pretty much nudda. the only nz genre to have any impact internationally would be indie rock, & by that I mean solely the flying nun label of the 80s, quoted as an influence by many an overseas artist.
split enz were signed to a sway of labels
mushroom (now festival-mushroom)
crysalis (UK)
and a few others that i can't remember
does an indie band have to be on an indie label though?
and split enz weren't really indie
as for the start of their carrer at least they weren't into lo-fi production
they refused to play pubs
only playing concert halls...
more pop than indie in my book
//though they might be "all doing very well at the moment", their impact is pretty much nudda. the only nz genre to have any impact internationally would be indie rock, & by that I mean solely the flying nun label of the 80s, quoted as an influence by many an overseas artist.
you really don't think OMC made an impact...they sold millions of records and went to number one all over the world. Lots of americans say they are an influence, like Kid Rock on Juice the other night
Franz Ferdinan, was asked what they knew about nz, on an interview on the telly last weekend, they listed the usual like LOTR, but they also said flying nun
I don't know that song - people always talk about it and I always get hear it in my mind as that horrible "This is the moment" song from the commonwealth games and I see a lot of people skipping.
your a few genres short of a full deck there buzz....
As for indie... they all sound like oasis these days or watered down foo fighters... wich are pretty poppy any way, I mean.... what about free jazz man! ( juss kidden ) but yeah hip hop is way more influenced by the states than vice versa i think .. though is doing well in NZ..... I guess would have to say " indie" if you mean old flying nun stuff.. back when new zealand rock actually had its own sound....
at the moment i'd have to say Fat Freddy's Drop.
you don't get a live session with Gilles Peterson on BBC Radio One for nothing... or get to record with Peter Kruder in Vienna... or play the Detroit Electronic Music festival.
overall though, Flying Nun all the way. there's no overestimating how massively respected it is as a label internationally. overseas sales of the DVD have proven this already within a few weeks too.
Indie rock is the only viable option here, folks. Unless you like Split Enz enough to go for them under pop/rock. Really, if you're voting for NZ dance, you're a creepy die-hard. Or possibly E'd to the eyelids.
There are certainly some really big NZ artists in dance circles. Concord Dawn or Mark De Clive-Lowe, for instance. It's not such a nutso call, although I think the combined weight of that old Xpressway stuff through Flying Nun and even the noise of labels like Corpus Hermeticum has to push me to indie as the overall winner.
Check out this link to releases by Concord Dawn. Heaps!
Yeah, it's got to be Dub. I mean in terms of something very 'New Zealander-y' (for whatever that means... probably interchangeable with 'Pacific-y'), it's just a genre where the feel is pretty unique to this part of the world, and it's making some pretty serious waves overseas. Very close second would be indie, as said above with the 'nun sound in the 80s.
Big "dance" artists youse fullahs are missing are pitch black and nathan haines, Haines makin it big with phil asher and asides and the like, and pitchblack are pretty big overseas, but i would agree with the "dub" call (its so not dub, but thats just being pedantic) People all over say that the sound of bands like trinityfreddiesetc is pretty unique, and is getting pretty "influential". Germany loves that shit. But in the grand scheme of things (pop like pacifier and OMC aside), I reckon it was the while flying nun thing that has had the biggest impact.
Definitely has to be the dub/reggae. Fat Fred's & Trinity Roots have had great success in their Europe tours. Check www.fatfreddysdrop.com for the gigs they did all around Europe. Huge!! It makes sense too 'coz these bands are doing something original, takin' the genre on a new ride that I haven't heard from any other countries. (If there are some similar overseas bands I wanna hear them!)
what about the experimental musicians and composers hailing from new zild?
Douglas Lilburn, Jack Body, Annea Lockwood, Bruce Russell, Phil Dadson, John Psthas ( who recently composed for the Olympic Games) , From Scratch to name but a few....?
Cool - if we could get him behind NZ Music, he could make it compulsory for everyone to buy it and every NZ musician would be an instant millionaire. I wonder if my singing to myself would count - in China no-one would know it was awful.
singing over there is pretty weird. Mostly beeing tonal languages, the words that you sing end up dictating parts of the melody. Ie, if the word has a falling tone, then the melody has to drop for that word, otherwise it might mean something entirely different...
//singing over there is pretty weird. Mostly beeing tonal languages, the words that you sing end up dictating parts of the melody. Ie, if the word has a falling tone, then the melody has to drop for that word, otherwise it might mean something entirely different...
um, not strictly true. the tones aren't melodic tones, they are tonal envelopes ie ASDR, so it's more just changing the timbre of the voice than the note to illustrate the meaning. having said that, not alot of tone work in most of the modern music because the only lyrics anyone ever sings are either "i love you"
or "hungry workers carry water, from steep mountain through the bounteous fields to feed us all with love and laughter...i love you"
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over the datsuns yet?...
over the datsuns yet?
i'd be inclined to say dance ...
i'd be inclined to say dance music...
there's quite a few NZ and ex-NZ artists at or near the top of the various dance scenes...
Concord Dawn, Bulletproof, Freq Nasty, Daniel Bedingfield, Steve 'Mr. Bishi' Hill, etc. . .
-All doing very well at the moment
I'd be inclined to disagree with ...
I'd be inclined to disagree with you...
though they might be "all doing very well at the moment", their impact is pretty much nudda. the only nz genre to have any impact internationally would be indie rock, & by that I mean solely the flying nun label of the 80s, quoted as an influence by many an overseas artist.
...then it kinda depends on how you ...
...then it kinda depends on how you interpret "impact"
// I mean solely the flying nun label ...
// I mean solely the flying nun label of the 80s,
Was Split Enz on Flying Nun? I don't think so. They had a bit of influence.
split enz were signed to a sway of ...
split enz were signed to a sway of labels
mushroom (now festival-mushroom)
crysalis (UK)
and a few others that i can't remember
does an indie band have to be on an indie label though?
and split enz weren't really indie
as for the start of their carrer at least they weren't into lo-fi production
they refused to play pubs
only playing concert halls...
more pop than indie in my book
//though they might be "all doing very ...
//though they might be "all doing very well at the moment", their impact is pretty much nudda. the only nz genre to have any impact internationally would be indie rock, & by that I mean solely the flying nun label of the 80s, quoted as an influence by many an overseas artist.
you really don't think OMC made an impact...they sold millions of records and went to number one all over the world. Lots of americans say they are an influence, like Kid Rock on Juice the other night
Just wondering which artists (aside ...
Just wondering which artists (aside from Stephen Malkmus) quote flying nun artists as influences?
REM, Yo La Tengo, Superchunk, Sonic ...
REM, Yo La Tengo, Superchunk, Sonic Youth
Franz Ferdinan, was asked what they ...
Franz Ferdinan, was asked what they knew about nz, on an interview on the telly last weekend, they listed the usual like LOTR, but they also said flying nun
Hood from the UK. Dunno how well known ...
Hood from the UK. Dunno how well known they are...?
i am certain that the song "Now is the ...
i am certain that the song "Now is the Hour" is a New Zealand song, and everyone knows that song, even americans
I don't know that song - people always ...
I don't know that song - people always talk about it and I always get hear it in my mind as that horrible "This is the moment" song from the commonwealth games and I see a lot of people skipping.
where is rock n roll? like old beatles ...
where is rock n roll? like old beatles stuff and over things along those lines?
wait i didnt read the question ...
wait i didnt read the question properly. never mind.
yea man lyk the datsuns, ther pritty ...
yea man lyk the datsuns, ther pritty big in U.K...
dats bull crap its hip hop like scribe...
dats bull crap its hip hop like scribe
your a few genres short of a full deck ...
your a few genres short of a full deck there buzz....
As for indie... they all sound like oasis these days or watered down foo fighters... wich are pretty poppy any way, I mean.... what about free jazz man! ( juss kidden ) but yeah hip hop is way more influenced by the states than vice versa i think .. though is doing well in NZ..... I guess would have to say " indie" if you mean old flying nun stuff.. back when new zealand rock actually had its own sound....
at the moment i'd have to say Fat ...
at the moment i'd have to say Fat Freddy's Drop.
you don't get a live session with Gilles Peterson on BBC Radio One for nothing... or get to record with Peter Kruder in Vienna... or play the Detroit Electronic Music festival.
overall though, Flying Nun all the way. there's no overestimating how massively respected it is as a label internationally. overseas sales of the DVD have proven this already within a few weeks too.
They recorded with ...
They recorded with Kruder???
drooolllll
can't wait to hear that!
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K&F nice !!...
K&F
nice !!
new zealand dub is a huge contributor ...
new zealand dub is a huge contributor to the world music seen with bands like blackseeds, fat freedys drop and trinity roots
8 foot sativa rox!...
8 foot sativa rox!
Indie rock is the only viable option ...
Indie rock is the only viable option here, folks. Unless you like Split Enz enough to go for them under pop/rock. Really, if you're voting for NZ dance, you're a creepy die-hard. Or possibly E'd to the eyelids.
There are certainly some really big NZ ...
There are certainly some really big NZ artists in dance circles. Concord Dawn or Mark De Clive-Lowe, for instance. It's not such a nutso call, although I think the combined weight of that old Xpressway stuff through Flying Nun and even the noise of labels like Corpus Hermeticum has to push me to indie as the overall winner.
Check out this link to releases by Concord Dawn. Heaps!
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Yeah, it's got to be Dub. I mean in ...
Yeah, it's got to be Dub. I mean in terms of something very 'New Zealander-y' (for whatever that means... probably interchangeable with 'Pacific-y'), it's just a genre where the feel is pretty unique to this part of the world, and it's making some pretty serious waves overseas. Very close second would be indie, as said above with the 'nun sound in the 80s.
Big "dance" artists youse fullahs are ...
Big "dance" artists youse fullahs are missing are pitch black and nathan haines, Haines makin it big with phil asher and asides and the like, and pitchblack are pretty big overseas, but i would agree with the "dub" call (its so not dub, but thats just being pedantic) People all over say that the sound of bands like trinityfreddiesetc is pretty unique, and is getting pretty "influential". Germany loves that shit. But in the grand scheme of things (pop like pacifier and OMC aside), I reckon it was the while flying nun thing that has had the biggest impact.
BLINDSPOTT ALL THE WAY!!!!![edit]!!!!...
BLINDSPOTT ALL THE WAY!!!!![edit]!!!!
Indie Rock and Hip Hop would be equal ...
Indie Rock and Hip Hop would be equal status here.
Definitely has to be the dub/reggae. ...
Definitely has to be the dub/reggae. Fat Fred's & Trinity Roots have had great success in their Europe tours. Check www.fatfreddysdrop.com for the gigs they did all around Europe. Huge!! It makes sense too 'coz these bands are doing something original, takin' the genre on a new ride that I haven't heard from any other countries. (If there are some similar overseas bands I wanna hear them!)
what about the experimental musicians ...
what about the experimental musicians and composers hailing from new zild?
Douglas Lilburn, Jack Body, Annea Lockwood, Bruce Russell, Phil Dadson, John Psthas ( who recently composed for the Olympic Games) , From Scratch to name but a few....?
hu really cares i mean hu gives a shyt...
hu really cares i mean hu gives a shyt
Who is this person "hu"? Sounds like he ...
Who is this person "hu"? Sounds like he or she really cares.
...
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Cool - if we could get him behind NZ ...
Cool - if we could get him behind NZ Music, he could make it compulsory for everyone to buy it and every NZ musician would be an instant millionaire. I wonder if my singing to myself would count - in China no-one would know it was awful.
singing over there is pretty weird. ...
singing over there is pretty weird. Mostly beeing tonal languages, the words that you sing end up dictating parts of the melody. Ie, if the word has a falling tone, then the melody has to drop for that word, otherwise it might mean something entirely different...
//he could make it compulsory for ...
//he could make it compulsory for everyone to buy it and every NZ musician would be an instant millionaire.
ahh but I can't see much of the money going back to the artists . . .
shyt = a poo lacking self-confidence...
shyt = a poo lacking self-confidence
//singing over there is pretty weird. ...
//singing over there is pretty weird. Mostly beeing tonal languages, the words that you sing end up dictating parts of the melody. Ie, if the word has a falling tone, then the melody has to drop for that word, otherwise it might mean something entirely different...
um, not strictly true. the tones aren't melodic tones, they are tonal envelopes ie ASDR, so it's more just changing the timbre of the voice than the note to illustrate the meaning. having said that, not alot of tone work in most of the modern music because the only lyrics anyone ever sings are either "i love you"
or "hungry workers carry water, from steep mountain through the bounteous fields to feed us all with love and laughter...i love you"
Heh. I thought I'd get a response from ...
Heh. I thought I'd get a response from you on that... I was only inferring from what I came across in Vietnam, and a little in HK...
Haka...
Haka