what is this?
you use that for a poll?
you didn't approve 'is paul reid the best swordsman in the galaxy' poll
you didn't approve 'should chris knox lose the stubbies and buy some real pants' poll
I wonder, is the question not "Does AIMING to make money from something detract from its artistic merit?"
After all, if its a good song/album, and the artist makes money from it, it doesn't really detract from the music does it? However, as soon as a band/artist decides they're out there to make money, they'll change their music in such a way that they think will sell, which of course can be formulaic, and to state the obvious- this often does detract from its artistic merit.
Money does have a way of changing things. While there is nothing wrong with making money from art, when there is a source of money it changes the situation and maybe also the goals of the artist. Hence over time art tends towards the mainstream. But while there is nothing wrong with mainstream art, the fact that the direction of mainstream art is decided by non-experts detracts from its artistic value.
making money ONLY 'changes the situation' or the 'goals of the artist' is the rtist chooses commerce over art. in other words it is a choice that is made either consciously or unconsciously to change the purpose of your creative output.
Basquiats first works were made in poverty and compare to his later works made in 'far less poverty'. Both pieces 'make money', are of equal 'merit', and yet only one was evidently created without money involved.
Strictly speaking, money does not detract from artistic merit.
Hell yeah money helps you with promotions,marketing recording filming.Yeah it would make alot of difference in terms of the wide ranging audience you touch and the interest you generate.
If you turn into an egg as a result of it then you were always from the start.
Money makes things easier if you don't have the network.Detract from artists merit Nah don't think so.
Money is only bad when its the focus of making art. If you genuinely want to make music for people to take home and you aren't a millionaire already you have to pay for it somehow. All art is sold at some point, paintings, sculpture, music, photos and acting is an art form and it draws far more money than all the other art forms.
It think there is something inherently wrong with groups that art first and foremost bought together to make money not music. Especially when they stray from their ideals in making music that will sell.
yeah it does. When ya get dosh for it, the originality behind it knda disappears cause then say for e.g. the band focusses on money making instaed of sound making. Datsuns, goodshirt, betchadupa, fur patrol, hey we all luv them but except for a couple of good songs they become comercialised where its no longer 'good music'
//Datsuns, goodshirt, betchadupa, fur patrol, hey we all luv them but except for a couple of good songs they become comercialised where its no longer 'good music'
pahahaha! I think probably it's more a case of this:
A formerly unheard-of band release a couple of songs that lots of people like. One of three things happen - either the band can't make enough to sustain themselves so they don't last long and everyone remembers the few great songs they did and they become underground legends. Or, they get successful enough to sustain themselves, and make some more music which is pretty much the same as their old music. People get bored with it, complain that they're selling out by sticking to the old boring formula. Or, they get successful enough to sustain themselves for longer, take the opportunity to try something different and the fans say that they liked the old stuff better and accuse them of selling out because they're not staying true to their roots.
yeah too true heather .. or maybe its none of the above.. perhaps making money from your music does change the way you write your song... or perhaps in has no effect at all - who knows... i think each case needs to be takin on its merits... and the entire band must be interviewed at length... under an artificially induced altered state of consciousness, characterized by heightened suggestibility and receptivity to direction... and beer might help too
//i think each case needs to be takin on its merits... and the entire band must be interviewed at length... under an artificially induced altered state of consciousness, characterized by heightened suggestibility and receptivity to direction... and beer might help too
Great idea! I'll hire the researchers, petition the university for funding, set up the lab and round up the musicians, and you bring the beer.
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what is this? you use that for a ...
what is this?
you use that for a poll?
you didn't approve 'is paul reid the best swordsman in the galaxy' poll
you didn't approve 'should chris knox lose the stubbies and buy some real pants' poll
wei shenme ni zuo zhe ge ma?
Think of it as question that drives a ...
Think of it as question that drives a broader and/or specific discussion.
Or you could just complain, and kill that.
I wonder, is the question not "Does ...
I wonder, is the question not "Does AIMING to make money from something detract from its artistic merit?"
After all, if its a good song/album, and the artist makes money from it, it doesn't really detract from the music does it? However, as soon as a band/artist decides they're out there to make money, they'll change their music in such a way that they think will sell, which of course can be formulaic, and to state the obvious- this often does detract from its artistic merit.
question seems pretty clear...
question seems pretty clear
Money does have a way of changing ...
Money does have a way of changing things. While there is nothing wrong with making money from art, when there is a source of money it changes the situation and maybe also the goals of the artist. Hence over time art tends towards the mainstream. But while there is nothing wrong with mainstream art, the fact that the direction of mainstream art is decided by non-experts detracts from its artistic value.
making money ONLY 'changes the ...
making money ONLY 'changes the situation' or the 'goals of the artist' is the rtist chooses commerce over art. in other words it is a choice that is made either consciously or unconsciously to change the purpose of your creative output.
Basquiats first works were made in poverty and compare to his later works made in 'far less poverty'. Both pieces 'make money', are of equal 'merit', and yet only one was evidently created without money involved.
Strictly speaking, money does not detract from artistic merit.
Hell yeah money helps you with ...
Hell yeah money helps you with promotions,marketing recording filming.Yeah it would make alot of difference in terms of the wide ranging audience you touch and the interest you generate.
If you turn into an egg as a result of it then you were always from the start.
Money makes things easier if you don't have the network.Detract from artists merit Nah don't think so.
Money is only bad when its the focus of ...
Money is only bad when its the focus of making art. If you genuinely want to make music for people to take home and you aren't a millionaire already you have to pay for it somehow. All art is sold at some point, paintings, sculpture, music, photos and acting is an art form and it draws far more money than all the other art forms.
It think there is something inherently wrong with groups that art first and foremost bought together to make money not music. Especially when they stray from their ideals in making music that will sell.
yeah it does. When ya get dosh for it, ...
yeah it does. When ya get dosh for it, the originality behind it knda disappears cause then say for e.g. the band focusses on money making instaed of sound making. Datsuns, goodshirt, betchadupa, fur patrol, hey we all luv them but except for a couple of good songs they become comercialised where its no longer 'good music'
//Datsuns, goodshirt, betchadupa, fur ...
//Datsuns, goodshirt, betchadupa, fur patrol, hey we all luv them but except for a couple of good songs they become comercialised where its no longer 'good music'
pahahaha! I think probably it's more a case of this:
A formerly unheard-of band release a couple of songs that lots of people like. One of three things happen - either the band can't make enough to sustain themselves so they don't last long and everyone remembers the few great songs they did and they become underground legends. Or, they get successful enough to sustain themselves, and make some more music which is pretty much the same as their old music. People get bored with it, complain that they're selling out by sticking to the old boring formula. Or, they get successful enough to sustain themselves for longer, take the opportunity to try something different and the fans say that they liked the old stuff better and accuse them of selling out because they're not staying true to their roots.
yeah too true heather .. or maybe its ...
yeah too true heather .. or maybe its none of the above.. perhaps making money from your music does change the way you write your song... or perhaps in has no effect at all - who knows... i think each case needs to be takin on its merits... and the entire band must be interviewed at length... under an artificially induced altered state of consciousness, characterized by heightened suggestibility and receptivity to direction... and beer might help too
//i think each case needs to be takin ...
//i think each case needs to be takin on its merits... and the entire band must be interviewed at length... under an artificially induced altered state of consciousness, characterized by heightened suggestibility and receptivity to direction... and beer might help too
Great idea! I'll hire the researchers, petition the university for funding, set up the lab and round up the musicians, and you bring the beer.
mmm beer deal...
mmm beer
deal
We're going to need a *lot* of beer....
We're going to need a *lot* of beer.
//and the entire band must be ...
//and the entire band must be interviewed at length...
I'll give Frankie, Fiona and Paul a call then.
You just want beer. But ok....
You just want beer. But ok.