do you think that the actions of fans are the artists responsibility?
lets say a band writes a song about drugs (pretty far-fetched), should they then take responsibility for their fans taking drugs? are they in fact encouraging it?
i've just been arguing with someone about this, and i mentioned an incident at a metallica concert where a fan slaughtered a pig and threw all the bits on stage. is this metallicas fault? i said no, she said yes. she said the band is obviously "providing an environment where someone can get away with such a sick act", and that means they're encouraging it.
i reckon if i get on stage, play a song about drugs, and some hippy throws a dead animal at me, its not my fucking fault.
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just to start out.. a hippy would not ...
just to start out.. a hippy would not throw a dead animal on stage as hippies are invaribaly vegies.
Hippies would throw their vibes, maaan. ...
Hippies would throw their vibes, maaan. I think she means "some socially retarded, misanthropic, fat bogan". All the hippies would be at the fucking Jack Johnson concert anyway.
No no no. No matter what, even if you ...
No no no. No matter what, even if you sang these lines :
I like drugs, I like drugs,
Can you please coat me with pieces of dogs!"
(Which admittedly doesn't really rhyme)
It's not the fault of the musician. A musician provides music, hopefully inspires the listener, maybe provides some happiness in an otherwise miserable life, maybe reminds the listener that life is good, or that everybody hurts, sooooometimes. Whatever. If a musician sang :
"Jump off the harbour bridge"
and someone did it, would it be the fault of the musician? Of course not, and yet people (Ozzy Osbourne srpings to mind) have been taken to court for less direct directions. People everywhere are retards. (See : 8 Foot Sativa forum) This is not the responsibility of the musician. They just play fucking music - What the musician says doesn't have any bearing on what the listener does - the very idea is ridiculous. If music had the power to brainwash people, Fred Durst would run the world. Happily, this is not the case. Putting the blame on musicians is a cop out, an easy target for right wing politicians.
God, the very existence of this forum pisses me off. The musician is completely free of responsibility. The musician could tell you to cut your face off and feed it to your dog - no one is holding a fucking gun to your head. Use your common sense, dipshit.
who are you getting angsty with there ...
who are you getting angsty with there mate? Prozaco has simply asked a question...and an interesting one at that.
...the fact of the matter is...music can influence...but people have choices, so reponsibility ultimitly lies with the listener.
In saying that however, for instance, as an example, if I was to listen to death metal all day everyday which contained lyrics like, for instance, for example, "work sucks, life is pointless, fuck the world, inject some drugs, trust no-one" the chance of me turning out to be a negative fuck is highly likely.
It's not the artists fault if people do shit, but if the artist sings about bollix all the time you really have to wonder why people fill their ears with it in the first place.
//ultimitly fucks sake, ...
//ultimitly
fucks sake, ultimately.
at least i think that is right.
//reponsibility reSponsibility. fucks ...
//reponsibility
reSponsibility. fucks sake...anything else this morning ralphie? we bit tired are we? "YES" and why would that be do you think? "er...cause I went to a really good gig last night and now i am me...i mean, tired."
and a tad loopy.
//if I was to listen to death metal all ...
//if I was to listen to death metal all day everyday...the chance of me turning out to be a negative fuck is highly likely.
Ah, there may be a correlation, but there's no way you can say there's a causal connection. People tend to listen to music that matches their natural style and mood. Saying that listening to certain music will turn you into a 'negative fuck' is like saying that wearing black velvet and white face-paint all the time will (eventually) turn you into a goth.
yea, i listen to death metal when im ...
yea, i listen to death metal when im angry!!! GGGRRR
... what came first?... the music or ...
... what came first?... the music or the misery?
... what came first?... the music or ...
... what came first?... the music or the misery?
Good call.
does listening to a lullaby make you ...
does listening to a lullaby make you sleepy or were you already sleepy and does it just put you to sleep??
I just think that if you fill your head ...
I just think that if you fill your head with negative stuff all the time, it's not going to help the positive and optimistic cause now is it?
When someone throws 'a slaughtered ...
When someone throws 'a slaughtered pig' on stage, we naturally have to ask 'why?' and search for a way of making sense of it...
Why is there a why? Why do things have to make sense all the time? Stuff just happens. I'm glad I don't understand what would make someone do that, but I'm sure it's got a little bit more to do with their phsychological issues than the music they happen to like.
What keeps the other 19,999 screaming, maniacal fans from mutilating animals and publically humiliating themselves?
in saying that..if people LIKE ...
in saying that..if people LIKE listening to negativity...does it make them happy?
does anybody here have a pig i can borrow?
am i thinking out loud?
Thinking out loud- me too Does one ...
Thinking out loud- me too
Does one piece of music have the same effect on every listen? I think even if the music was simply a loud, piercingly dissonant shriek there would still be some of us who dig it, some of us who turn it off, and some of us who pack a carving knife and go looking for the nearest pig farm...
//I just think that if you fill your ...
//I just think that if you fill your head with negative stuff all the time, it's not going to help the positive and optimistic cause now is it?
Sure, but you're still deliberately opening yourself up to it. You're choosing to fill your head with negative stuff. It's an issue with you - not with the music or the artist.
Think of it this way - some people listen to Celine Dion for pleasure. They listen and they get all sentimental. Now - say I was working in a shop where they played Celine Dion all the time. Am I going to start getting Celinified? Granted it wouldn't be good for my stress levels working in that environment, but it's not going to turn me into a fluffy bunny.
Musicians are not responsible for the emotional wellbeing of every single person that listens to their music. We nearly always have a choice to listen or not. Even in the small number of cases that we don't have a choice, the music can't inflict any serious damage if we don't allow it.
And while I'm here I'd just like to say I believe that positivity and optimism are overrated. There's nothing wrong with a bit of negativity every now and then, just for balance.
No fb one piece of music does not have ...
No fb one piece of music does not have the same effect on every listen.
...er...
...er
//Sure, but you're still deliberately ...
//Sure, but you're still deliberately opening yourself up to it. You're choosing to fill your head with negative stuff. It's an issue with you - not with the music or the artist.
Exactly, which is why I said earlier
...the fact of the matter is...music can influence...but people have choices, so reponsibility ultimately lies with the listener.
// so reponsibility ultimately lies ...
// so reponsibility ultimately lies with the listener.
what about younger people? does responsibility lie with the parents?
//When someone throws 'a slaughtered ...
//When someone throws 'a slaughtered pig' on stage, we naturally have to ask 'why?'
why does the sun shine?
why do starts twinkle?
why do bogans throw cut up pigs at musicians?
because it just does. (Joe Dirt)
//what about younger people? does ...
//what about younger people? does responsibility lie with the parents?
I guess anyone deliberately targeting a more vulnerable demographic should at least try to exercise a degree of responsibility. Ultimately though there's plenty of chaff in young peoples' lives even after you remove all the popstars. I think eventually yes, the parents should set the limits on their kids' behaviour.
I was thinking about it during the portion of that Britney interview where she said it was up to the parents. The thing that struck me is that pop stars are still projecting their own particular value system.
An obvious example is Madonna - in the past plenty of people demanded that she "be more responsible" but she could argue that she believed it was responsible to urge people to talk freely and openly about sex, and to feel comfortable as sexual beings rather than repressing a natural part of themselves.
There are so many different value systems being advertised not just by pop stars but by tv programmes, politicians, doctors, lawyers, manufacturers...ultimately it'd have to be left to the parent to determine the value system under which their child will grow up.
//...er Uhhhh, yeah- that too ...
//...er
Uhhhh, yeah- that too ;o)
Maybe it's not just the music, but everything it represents, tangibly or intangibly, that really gets concerned parents burning records.... eg, the merchandise, the lyric sheets, the fansites, t-shirts, as well as the image and behaviour portrayed in videos, posters, albumn covers and on tour... clearly music in and of itself is just music, but the propoganda that can come with it IS SO OFTEN blatantly targetted at a certain kind of demographic...
i think an artist has a responsibility ...
i think an artist has a responsibility to the fan in that they should put on a good enough show that audience is so into it that they don't have time or energy to haul that pig all the way up through audience and then biff it on stage.
if the guy is carrying carcasses around, pushing through hordes of screaming moshing fans (which is a mission) he's clearly not getting into the music
give me an artist who is responsible enough to to put on a completely enthralling show and i promise i won't bring my pig
clearly metallica's fault judgement ...
clearly metallica's fault
judgement to the plaintiff
// put on a good enough show that ...
// put on a good enough show that audience is so into it that they don't have time or energy to haul that pig
i like your logic very much.
how do you get a pig into a gig? is it ...
how do you get a pig into a gig?
is it alive before you arrive?
Don't diss metallica!!!!!!!...
Don't diss metallica!!!!!!!
Fuck the pig. I'm bringing chickens....
Fuck the pig. I'm bringing chickens.
1000's of marbles thrown on stage ...
1000's of marbles thrown on stage would be quite funny...
(thump) (thump) (OW!) (thump) (thud) (doh)
i would bring tomatoes if i could make ...
i would bring tomatoes if i could make it to bdo this year...
//how do you get a pig into a gig? is ...
//how do you get a pig into a gig?
is it alive before you arrive?
Nice rhyming couplet. That's hilarious. should I find that as funny as I do? maybe i am disturbed, but i would never bring a pig into a gig.
okay, britney spears / xtina. do you ...
okay, britney spears / xtina. do you think they need to take responsibility for the fact that their 12 year old fans dress like them (trashy)?
i think if a 12 year old dresses like a slut then it is clearly the fault of the parent for not pumping some good sense AND STYLE into that kid.
i suppose its must be easy to blame something you have no control over.
yeah i find it really easy to blame ...
yeah i find it really easy to blame something i have no control over
britney spears needs to be re-educated ...
britney spears needs to be re-educated then tied to the back of a 4wd and driven around westpactrust stadium at high speed until she expires or better yet stoned to death with bricks and rock
omg, Prozaco is a britney supporter!!! ...
omg, Prozaco is a britney supporter!!! :O!!!
omg, jotun missed the point. what a ...
omg, jotun missed the point. what a suprise!!! :O!!!
lol, it's okay prozaco, i won't tell ...
lol, it's okay prozaco, i won't tell any one about ur secert wit Britney :P
The Anvil says "Sure Britany might make ...
The Anvil says "Sure Britany might make kids want to dress like tarts, but to dress like tarts the kids need somewhere to buy it from."
The Anvil says "The kids are buying this shit from the Olsen twins, who are in turn getting rich off turning tweenies into rapebait"
The Anvil says " Lets Lynch the Olsens"
Lets Kill Kiddie Fiddlers....
Lets Kill Kiddie Fiddlers.
i dont blame it on the artists or their ...
i dont blame it on the artists or their songs, i blame it on the marketing executives...
and if those kids are throwing horses ...
and if those kids are throwing horses on stage those artists should try some new material
I don't think its the bands fault, ...
I don't think its the bands fault, stupid people should be responsible for their own actions!! not the band!!
whats the difference. youve got ...
whats the difference.
youve got these Barely clothed teen cockslags writing about how much they enjoy having a dick shoved into them being Played ON FAMILY RADIO and turning there brains to mush with this unislamic filth.
why are you so afraid of sexuality, ...
why are you so afraid of sexuality, luci?
The pop performers are mature people, singing about sexual things, which is fine because they are mature.
plug plug plug...
plug plug plug
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//youve got these blah blah blah blah ...
//youve got these blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah RADIO blah blah blah blah blah mush blah unislamic filth.
God, change the record already.
and.....unislamic filth? Lucifer_Sam - Satan That Submits alone in the land of the infidel?
// The pop performers are mature ...
// The pop performers are mature people,
Eh what Eh?
ahhh you always amaze me healther, ...
ahhh you always amaze me healther, always. :-)
Oops i mean Heather, pardon the Typo...
Oops i mean Heather, pardon the Typo