I have lost all respect for lani purkhis and i didnt have much in the first place.shes hypocritical.
anime,"loose"? well, elemeno p are looser than a sluts vagina, and "no song"? no song is foamy eds entire career.
rockquest are out for a marketable product only, but at least anime got some good publicity on tv. better luck next year guys. Didnt see much else but, the rabble are a good punk band, emulate the oi scene well, but the other band i saw, the female punk band, meh. Grannypash? yawn.
Yea it was a good show, those judges never agree and they seem to have no actual criteria in which they pick their bands - besides commercialism and other crap. Seriously from watching them you can see how bullshit the music industry (or Rockquest industry) really can be. Like last week with The Fauves they were just judging from the video, they hadn't seen them play live, and Lani told them all that actually when u see them live u r just captivated, so a video not doing a band justice is the reason for their result. If the semi's are to be judged fairly, then the judges need to get themselves to the gigs, and then watch the videos. schmash which one are u from anime? cos ur guitarist/lead singer was pretty hot~
theoretcially by the time of the semis, RQ judges have already seen the band live twice! at the heats and the regionals. Surely this is enough time to decide the bands live ability.
The Semi's are about the bands ability to organise a live show, promote themselves, deal with the press, etc.etc...
how many times are the judges expected to watch these bands live?
if the judges review video footage of the semis to decide who makes it through to the finals, then is the same video set up of all bands at each semi? This seems fair to me...sorry, i am not defending the rockquest...do you know how tough it must be watching 500 odd (mostly shit) bands in the heats and then have to watch another fuckload of performance in the regionals....then watch all the bands videos that were made for the semis and then you also expect them to watch the bands performance at the semis?
look man, face it. The Judges pretty make up there minds who is going to win from the regionals. It takes bands either fucking up or pulling off something major to change this.
its pretty obvious who is gonna win every year Falter were always going to win this year. i told 'em so weeks before the finals. If only picking horses at the track were as easy:)
I just believe that the*final/semi final* judges, in order to make a fair judgement should be present at the semi finals. By fair I mean fair to the ability of the bands each to their own, and not compared to how well other bands come off on video. Often some bands will seem much better than they really are on a video, and vice versa, others that are really good live may not do themselves justice on video. Those judges that u saw on the tv wern't the same judges that did the heats and regionals, Pete and Glen were at all the shows I think, Spanky did some of the heats, and maybe only one other of those judges had actually judged a regional or whatever. For half of those judges that was the first time they'd seen some of the bands, and it wasn't even live (in person). and (can't remember if it was pete and glen - I always get them confused) the one that was present at the semi judging didn't have much to contribute to the discussion at all.
//How many times are the judges expected to watch the bands live//
well they're prolly being paid to do so so they could at least make an effort to see the bands live at least once. I know they have to watch the vids for entry to semis, but thats probably just pete and glen again, it's all a bit dodgy anyway, and bands are *supposed* to organise a concert etc, but really that doesn't matter at all as long as the judges get a video of the band playing, and they would have pretty much decided on who goes through long before all the videos come in, we saw that earlier this yr when some bands knew and others hadn't handed in their vids yet. Who really cares? probably the bands that enter and fail to make it through because of some injustice like a shit recording. anyway rockquest is a sham and yea sure some bands do deserve to win (like falter) but you can't ignore all the shit decisions made by the judges, and they're supposed to be 'some of NZ's finest'. well thats my ramble for the night.
//Often some bands will seem much better than they really are on a video, and vice versa, others that are really good live may not do themselves justice on video.
exactly....thats probably what its about. You've already proved yoursleves live Twice! now you have to prove you can look good on video. Just as some bands will be disadvantaged by this, others will be helped.
Not all bands are great live, and RQ are "trying" to find an all around band, not just a live powerhouse.
but theoretically..shouldn't all the judges see you the same. So why does it matter that the same judge does not see everybody. Pete and Glen alwasy used to do it themselves...however, they have realised that they may not be the best at it, so have asked for help from younger people currently in the industry.
i am not defending...there are much easier targets of atacking RQ then this.
The Judging is usually pretty much spot on. Its just the requirements for judiging. ie. 2 songs in 7 minutes, presentation, image, energy onn stage, intros, tightness, technical abilities, lead vocals, backing vocals, front person skills, dynamic variation, solos, melody etc.etc...
is bullshit....
what if you are a band (and this sums up most good bands i know) who doesn't want to bounce around on stage and performs songs which are 5 minutes in length and don't feature guitar solos or have backing vocals and you don't give a fuck about image or presentatiton? what chance do you have of winning rockquest?
That is the issue. They are breading robots. to fit in their little rockquest box, not encouraging students to do whatever they like and each performacne will be judged on its own merits.
My idea of a good band is one that can perform awesome live, and not be aided by some fabulous editing and enhancement (like say, a music vid). I know that these bands were just filmed once and it wasn't all enhanced or whatever but yea these bands had proved themselves live to *some* of the judges, others seemed pretty ignorant to that fact and didn't seem to take it into account so therefore they based their decision purely on what the video showed of the band- take my example of The Fauves from above. I just guess I'm once again striking the 'rockquest is all about commercialistic bullshit' chord, and hopefully enough people are aware of this fact and don't think that it showcases the best secondary school bands, because obviously, it doesn't.
i didn't actually watch the show, so i can't really comment on what went down.
However, the "video" stage is just like any other stage of a competition. If you can't get past that, then you don't deserve to win. They have ALREADY been judged live....why judge them live again?
Probably better they didn't win considering one of Melbournes biggest bands who have released like 7 albums and heaps of Ep's are named The Fauves
//They have ALREADY been judged live....why judge them live again?//
Becuase it was different judges who judged them live, and it would be a lot fairer to the bands who may not pull it out when shown on tape (and who haven't had the other judges see them live), ie, sound quality, performance and captivation of the audience etc etc etc... the point of rq isn't to find a band which *just* looks good on tv, so for *these* judges to be judging each semis band purely on how they come off on screen is crap, it's not some bullshit 'next stage' its just lazy judging. The finals are judged from live performance (that's if any1 believes that any judging is actually done at the finals, personally I think it's mainly predeternmined) so why can't the judges take time to actually try and see the real quality of each band, live and recorded.
My posts aren't about The Fauves they were just an example. I do think they should have got through to the finals though, but that's not the whole point of my posts.
you are complelty missing the point. I will try one mor time.
Take any bullshit compeition right. Say that silly "search for a supermodel" on TV
round 1: posing for camera...judged by photographers
round 2: catwalk.......judged by catwalk experts
round 3: makeup.....judged by makeup artists.
now...just cause your favourite model happens to be best at Catwalk..doesn't mean that they can't just keep doing catwalk for the entire competition and not fufil the rest of the requirements.
Look, Pete and Glen are great blokes and judge properly and you'll find more often then not the "best" (that fits their requirements) band wins.
It is not how the compeition is run that is wrong, it is their mandate. Stop whining about what may or may have not happened, and encourage them improve the competitions scope for art.
anyway...flag this shit, The Fauves (OZ) are some of the most blatantly honest people you will come across. PLEASE visit their website, read their "discography" (under "discs") and have a read of some of their diarys.
brilliantly frank moments like....
"It's melancholy tone, however, cleared mosh pits and marked a pivotal point in the downturn of our popularity. For our part we were thankful to say goodbye to the brain dead fuckwits whose only purpose at a gig was to get topless and rub their sweaty torsos up against like minded Neanderthals. Some of the most depressing gigs we've ever done were in front of hundreds of unthinking automatons who moved spontaneously the moment a distortion pedal was stepped on while standing slack jawed and uncomfortable during the rest of the set. "
haha. i actually think "digga" is confused as to what "fauves" band we are talking about.
The Fauves(OZ) on recieving demos from young bands
"Have the decency to send tapes
An unlistened to CD is useless to us. If there's one thing I want to impress on the aspiring young bands of this country it is that they have the decency to send us their music on rewritable CD's or good quality cassettes. I'm talking chrome tapes with the tabs left intact so as to enable us to record over them at the earliest opportunity. A band in our position can make quite a nice little saving by reusing the artistically worthless media that we are sent over the course of a year. Please don't write the track list of your little home recording on the professionally manufactured insert inside the case. Attach this on a separate piece of paper that we can throw straight in the bin, leaving the cover unsullied for our own recording purposes"
//what if you are a band (and this sums up most good bands i know) who doesn't want to bounce around on stage and performs songs which are 5 minutes in length and don't feature guitar solos or have backing vocals and you don't give a fuck about image or presentatiton? what chance do you have of winning rockquest?//
//unthinking automatons who moved spontaneously the moment a distortion pedal was stepped on...
Hah! That's so funny... the "thinking man's band" always regard their fans with such disdain... simpletons who 'just don't get it...' F*CK, why play gigs at all if you hate them so much? I mean one of the coolest things about rock is distortion pedals, and the sheer power these little metal boxes can wield over large crowds of people... eg Smells Like Teen Spirit... I hope their sarcasm is for humour's sake, otherwise I'd have to say The Fauves need to get over themselves.
you should read everything those boys hve to say. I first discovered them when researching zines...they do their own zine called "shred". It has moments of pure genius and honesty about the record industry. There is an excerpt on their website about the bands disregard for demos that they get sent that is fucken brilliant.
The Fauves (OZ) website is well worth checking out.
what i thought was funny was all the little juniors - at i think scots college - jumping around in front of the cameras. provided some well, interesting television viewing. sort of reminded me of all the try hard 3rd and 4th form chicks at the manawatu regionals, running around the regent - "oh heeellooooo, oh how are yoooooooooou? oh big hug, oh do you think my skirt is too short??" oh dear, how tradgic. actually more tradgic than the little boys whose hormones went into overdrive. the problems with juniors... of course i was never like that.
fuk i thought the rabble were brilliant on the show and also grannypash were pretty wicked. i reckon mnkey puzzleR sould definately change their name however. and i wanted to see anime but couldnt really hear it cos i was munchin on me dinna.
Well....i missed it....and it was the one i wanted to tape to, cause it had Falter on there...So i have no idea on what you guys are all talking about, sounds interesting though....what happened?
Monkey puzzler are cunts. They have totally ripped of monkey puzzle! even down to the font on their website! if you guys from puzzler are reading this fucking grow up! danny is a farking wicked person and you are just fucking him off! and shame for getting your gig cancelled!
none of the tv coverage has done any of the bands justice.
You have no idea what you are talking about........ and seeing that the name topic has been more than well covered on this site, I don't think it needs to come up again.............
it does need to be changed i was talking to danny about it the other night, when i saw them play, monkey puzzle have had therename for about 7 years now, so respect that and dont think by adding a letter it can change ur name. + same font is cheap.
how the hell did the checks not win? they had style, hooks and the fuckin look. grannypash were a joke, they reminded me of mission gizzard last year. falter seemed pretty average to me.
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Fuck, shit luck for anime with the ...
Fuck, shit luck for anime with the judging.
I have lost all respect for lani purkhis and i didnt have much in the first place.shes hypocritical.
anime,"loose"? well, elemeno p are looser than a sluts vagina, and "no song"? no song is foamy eds entire career.
rockquest are out for a marketable product only, but at least anime got some good publicity on tv. better luck next year guys. Didnt see much else but, the rabble are a good punk band, emulate the oi scene well, but the other band i saw, the female punk band, meh. Grannypash? yawn.
bah, girl ska band. not punk....
bah, girl ska band. not punk.
i liked anime speaking of Lani i saw ...
i liked anime
speaking of Lani i saw her at her work yesterday
I dont like the rabble but anime are ...
I dont like the rabble but anime are good
Oh nooooooooooooooo I forgot it was ...
Oh nooooooooooooooo I forgot it was on!!!
same, for the second week in a row :(...
same, for the second week in a row :(
I dont know I wasn't there....
I dont know I wasn't there.
Yea it was a good show, those judges ...
Yea it was a good show, those judges never agree and they seem to have no actual criteria in which they pick their bands - besides commercialism and other crap. Seriously from watching them you can see how bullshit the music industry (or Rockquest industry) really can be. Like last week with The Fauves they were just judging from the video, they hadn't seen them play live, and Lani told them all that actually when u see them live u r just captivated, so a video not doing a band justice is the reason for their result. If the semi's are to be judged fairly, then the judges need to get themselves to the gigs, and then watch the videos. schmash which one are u from anime? cos ur guitarist/lead singer was pretty hot~
(oddly defending the ...
(oddly defending the rockquest)
theoretcially by the time of the semis, RQ judges have already seen the band live twice! at the heats and the regionals. Surely this is enough time to decide the bands live ability.
The Semi's are about the bands ability to organise a live show, promote themselves, deal with the press, etc.etc...
Organizing a show etc is the criteria ...
Organizing a show etc is the criteria for getting IN to the Semi's.
Only Dan and Pete saw every band. Lani saw a couple.
Im from Anime... yeha, we get that about Oli ;)
how many times are the judges expected ...
how many times are the judges expected to watch these bands live?
if the judges review video footage of the semis to decide who makes it through to the finals, then is the same video set up of all bands at each semi? This seems fair to me...sorry, i am not defending the rockquest...do you know how tough it must be watching 500 odd (mostly shit) bands in the heats and then have to watch another fuckload of performance in the regionals....then watch all the bands videos that were made for the semis and then you also expect them to watch the bands performance at the semis?
look man, face it. The Judges pretty make up there minds who is going to win from the regionals. It takes bands either fucking up or pulling off something major to change this.
eh? what are u on about? :p...
eh?
what are u on about? :p
its pretty obvious who is gonna win ...
its pretty obvious who is gonna win every year Falter were always going to win this year. i told 'em so weeks before the finals. If only picking horses at the track were as easy:)
I just believe that the*final/semi ...
I just believe that the*final/semi final* judges, in order to make a fair judgement should be present at the semi finals. By fair I mean fair to the ability of the bands each to their own, and not compared to how well other bands come off on video. Often some bands will seem much better than they really are on a video, and vice versa, others that are really good live may not do themselves justice on video. Those judges that u saw on the tv wern't the same judges that did the heats and regionals, Pete and Glen were at all the shows I think, Spanky did some of the heats, and maybe only one other of those judges had actually judged a regional or whatever. For half of those judges that was the first time they'd seen some of the bands, and it wasn't even live (in person). and (can't remember if it was pete and glen - I always get them confused) the one that was present at the semi judging didn't have much to contribute to the discussion at all.
//How many times are the judges expected to watch the bands live//
well they're prolly being paid to do so so they could at least make an effort to see the bands live at least once. I know they have to watch the vids for entry to semis, but thats probably just pete and glen again, it's all a bit dodgy anyway, and bands are *supposed* to organise a concert etc, but really that doesn't matter at all as long as the judges get a video of the band playing, and they would have pretty much decided on who goes through long before all the videos come in, we saw that earlier this yr when some bands knew and others hadn't handed in their vids yet. Who really cares? probably the bands that enter and fail to make it through because of some injustice like a shit recording. anyway rockquest is a sham and yea sure some bands do deserve to win (like falter) but you can't ignore all the shit decisions made by the judges, and they're supposed to be 'some of NZ's finest'. well thats my ramble for the night.
//Often some bands will seem much ...
//Often some bands will seem much better than they really are on a video, and vice versa, others that are really good live may not do themselves justice on video.
exactly....thats probably what its about. You've already proved yoursleves live Twice! now you have to prove you can look good on video. Just as some bands will be disadvantaged by this, others will be helped.
Not all bands are great live, and RQ are "trying" to find an all around band, not just a live powerhouse.
god...why am i defending ...
god...why am i defending rockquest???
but theoretically..shouldn't all the judges see you the same. So why does it matter that the same judge does not see everybody. Pete and Glen alwasy used to do it themselves...however, they have realised that they may not be the best at it, so have asked for help from younger people currently in the industry.
i am not defending...there are much easier targets of atacking RQ then this.
The Judging is usually pretty much spot on. Its just the requirements for judiging. ie. 2 songs in 7 minutes, presentation, image, energy onn stage, intros, tightness, technical abilities, lead vocals, backing vocals, front person skills, dynamic variation, solos, melody etc.etc...
is bullshit....
what if you are a band (and this sums up most good bands i know) who doesn't want to bounce around on stage and performs songs which are 5 minutes in length and don't feature guitar solos or have backing vocals and you don't give a fuck about image or presentatiton? what chance do you have of winning rockquest?
That is the issue. They are breading robots. to fit in their little rockquest box, not encouraging students to do whatever they like and each performacne will be judged on its own merits.
My idea of a good band is one that can ...
My idea of a good band is one that can perform awesome live, and not be aided by some fabulous editing and enhancement (like say, a music vid). I know that these bands were just filmed once and it wasn't all enhanced or whatever but yea these bands had proved themselves live to *some* of the judges, others seemed pretty ignorant to that fact and didn't seem to take it into account so therefore they based their decision purely on what the video showed of the band- take my example of The Fauves from above. I just guess I'm once again striking the 'rockquest is all about commercialistic bullshit' chord, and hopefully enough people are aware of this fact and don't think that it showcases the best secondary school bands, because obviously, it doesn't.
i didn't actually watch the show, so i ...
i didn't actually watch the show, so i can't really comment on what went down.
However, the "video" stage is just like any other stage of a competition. If you can't get past that, then you don't deserve to win. They have ALREADY been judged live....why judge them live again?
Probably better they didn't win considering one of Melbournes biggest bands who have released like 7 albums and heaps of Ep's are named The Fauves
//They have ALREADY been judged ...
//They have ALREADY been judged live....why judge them live again?//
Becuase it was different judges who judged them live, and it would be a lot fairer to the bands who may not pull it out when shown on tape (and who haven't had the other judges see them live), ie, sound quality, performance and captivation of the audience etc etc etc... the point of rq isn't to find a band which *just* looks good on tv, so for *these* judges to be judging each semis band purely on how they come off on screen is crap, it's not some bullshit 'next stage' its just lazy judging. The finals are judged from live performance (that's if any1 believes that any judging is actually done at the finals, personally I think it's mainly predeternmined) so why can't the judges take time to actually try and see the real quality of each band, live and recorded.
My posts aren't about The Fauves they ...
My posts aren't about The Fauves they were just an example. I do think they should have got through to the finals though, but that's not the whole point of my posts.
you are complelty missing the point. I ...
you are complelty missing the point. I will try one mor time.
Take any bullshit compeition right. Say that silly "search for a supermodel" on TV
round 1: posing for camera...judged by photographers
round 2: catwalk.......judged by catwalk experts
round 3: makeup.....judged by makeup artists.
now...just cause your favourite model happens to be best at Catwalk..doesn't mean that they can't just keep doing catwalk for the entire competition and not fufil the rest of the requirements.
Look, Pete and Glen are great blokes and judge properly and you'll find more often then not the "best" (that fits their requirements) band wins.
It is not how the compeition is run that is wrong, it is their mandate. Stop whining about what may or may have not happened, and encourage them improve the competitions scope for art.
anyway...flag this shit, The Fauves (OZ) are some of the most blatantly honest people you will come across. PLEASE visit their website, read their "discography" (under "discs") and have a read of some of their diarys.
brilliantly frank moments like....
"It's melancholy tone, however, cleared mosh pits and marked a pivotal point in the downturn of our popularity. For our part we were thankful to say goodbye to the brain dead fuckwits whose only purpose at a gig was to get topless and rub their sweaty torsos up against like minded Neanderthals. Some of the most depressing gigs we've ever done were in front of hundreds of unthinking automatons who moved spontaneously the moment a distortion pedal was stepped on while standing slack jawed and uncomfortable during the rest of the set. "
[ http://www.thefauves.com ]
haha. i actually think "digga" is ...
haha. i actually think "digga" is confused as to what "fauves" band we are talking about.
The Fauves(OZ) on recieving demos from young bands
"Have the decency to send tapes
An unlistened to CD is useless to us. If there's one thing I want to impress on the aspiring young bands of this country it is that they have the decency to send us their music on rewritable CD's or good quality cassettes. I'm talking chrome tapes with the tabs left intact so as to enable us to record over them at the earliest opportunity. A band in our position can make quite a nice little saving by reusing the artistically worthless media that we are sent over the course of a year. Please don't write the track list of your little home recording on the professionally manufactured insert inside the case. Attach this on a separate piece of paper that we can throw straight in the bin, leaving the cover unsullied for our own recording purposes"
hah okay i see. haha...
hah okay i see. haha
//what if you are a band (and this sums ...
//what if you are a band (and this sums up most good bands i know) who doesn't want to bounce around on stage and performs songs which are 5 minutes in length and don't feature guitar solos or have backing vocals and you don't give a fuck about image or presentatiton? what chance do you have of winning rockquest?//
Carriage H.
//unthinking automatons who moved ...
//unthinking automatons who moved spontaneously the moment a distortion pedal was stepped on...
Hah! That's so funny... the "thinking man's band" always regard their fans with such disdain... simpletons who 'just don't get it...' F*CK, why play gigs at all if you hate them so much? I mean one of the coolest things about rock is distortion pedals, and the sheer power these little metal boxes can wield over large crowds of people... eg Smells Like Teen Spirit... I hope their sarcasm is for humour's sake, otherwise I'd have to say The Fauves need to get over themselves.
shut up the fauves dont need to do ...
shut up the fauves dont need to do shit. theyre just right how they are, getting over themselves is the last thing they need to do.
// Carriage H. yeah, we all know ...
// Carriage H.
yeah, we all know about that conspiracy already though :)
yo foetus.... you should read ...
yo foetus....
you should read everything those boys hve to say. I first discovered them when researching zines...they do their own zine called "shred". It has moments of pure genius and honesty about the record industry. There is an excerpt on their website about the bands disregard for demos that they get sent that is fucken brilliant.
The Fauves (OZ) website is well worth checking out.
[ http://www.thefauves.com ]
//shut up the fauves dont need to do ...
//shut up the fauves dont need to do shit.
mmmm... I just call it how I see it, digga. No offence intended.
I will read up on them a bit more, Blink, but that quote you posted was absolute gold!
The Fauves and Midway at the Paradise ...
The Fauves and Midway at the Paradise Bar (St Kevins Arcade, K Rd) Wed 10 December 8pm.
[ http://www.thefauves.tk ]
what i thought was funny was all the ...
what i thought was funny was all the little juniors - at i think scots college - jumping around in front of the cameras. provided some well, interesting television viewing. sort of reminded me of all the try hard 3rd and 4th form chicks at the manawatu regionals, running around the regent - "oh heeellooooo, oh how are yoooooooooou? oh big hug, oh do you think my skirt is too short??" oh dear, how tradgic. actually more tradgic than the little boys whose hormones went into overdrive. the problems with juniors... of course i was never like that.
lani is a mole...
lani is a mole
fuk i thought the rabble were brilliant ...
fuk i thought the rabble were brilliant on the show and also grannypash were pretty wicked. i reckon mnkey puzzleR sould definately change their name however. and i wanted to see anime but couldnt really hear it cos i was munchin on me dinna.
Well....i missed it....and it was the ...
Well....i missed it....and it was the one i wanted to tape to, cause it had Falter on there...So i have no idea on what you guys are all talking about, sounds interesting though....what happened?
Monkey puzzler are cunts. They have ...
Monkey puzzler are cunts. They have totally ripped of monkey puzzle! even down to the font on their website! if you guys from puzzler are reading this fucking grow up! danny is a farking wicked person and you are just fucking him off! and shame for getting your gig cancelled!
none of the tv coverage has done any of the bands justice.
You have no idea what you are talking ...
You have no idea what you are talking about........ and seeing that the name topic has been more than well covered on this site, I don't think it needs to come up again.............
hah i doesnt need to be brought. it ...
hah i doesnt need to be brought. it needs to be changed.
it does need to be changed i was ...
it does need to be changed i was talking to danny about it the other night, when i saw them play, monkey puzzle have had therename for about 7 years now, so respect that and dont think by adding a letter it can change ur name. + same font is cheap.
jesus your angry floppy! //and shame ...
jesus your angry floppy!
//and shame for getting your gig cancelled!
spitefull too. ouch.
Wasn't that gig WITH the real Monkey ...
Wasn't that gig WITH the real Monkey Puzzle too? So really it wasn't a good thing it got cancelled because it meant that they coudn't play either...
yes...
yes
i reckon the rabble were fucking ...
i reckon the rabble were fucking good
and we want them at big day out so vote 4 THE RABBLE
[ http://www.jacklive.co.nz ]
how the hell did the checks not win? ...
how the hell did the checks not win? they had style, hooks and the fuckin look. grannypash were a joke, they reminded me of mission gizzard last year. falter seemed pretty average to me.
u have no ballbag...
u have no ballbag