for disconnect?

Funny you should ask, vid was only just finished this week and is a brillaint 5 minute animation by Peter Stenhouse and Toby Morris. Vid should be on TV next week. Those guys went way beyond the call of duty, working on it for the past 4 months

On a personal note, i just finished making a live video for Batrider which also hopefully might get a couple of spins on TV. The video didn't cost a dime....but I did spend probably 15-20 hours editing and 2 hours shooting, and then the main cost is VHS transfers and Beta Transfers....

If i was to charge along the rates i would charge for a 15 hour photogaphic job, i guess i would had to charge $1500+ for this vid.

I of course don't charge that much, because i'm not that good at video making yet. Also, the goal of my video making is not for TV play, but to archive the scene...just the same as my photography, so money isn't a major issue. I wasn't expecting Batrider to want to use this vid on TV, if a band came to me and asked me to make them a vid for TV..I would need to charge them something.

// the main cost is VHS transfers and Beta Transfers....

If any local auckland bands have a video they wanna get on tv, I can do the beta transfers for free. Still gotta pay for the beta tapes though. Can also do a number of vhs copies as well for free depending on how cool the band is...

ahh..i thought you might be alluding? to that, being samflux's baby. yeah, the video came out incredibly well. It cost a lot more then $10, but that was basically all spent on art dept, dressing the 15 odd extras and set design. The video was choice and was in last years handle the jandal.

The band decided not to send it to TV, because the recording it was synced to was so shit,and it was too much of an effor to resync to a new recording, also, the band pretty much hated the song...so pushing it was the last of our prorities.

Kinda stink, cause it is a great video. And Sam did a great job and rounded in a bunch of legends who basically worked for free. We had Weta workshop people doing our art dept and a crew od 20 odd people working on the day/night. I still feel shit about this never working out.

that'd be kewl

//concept videos are far too hard to make on small budgets I guess without them looking cheap and shonky- where as you can still make a rip roaring live performance video.

you couldnt be further from the truth...

i work for a production company - and they're cool about us using the gear after work and stuff.. we have a couple of avid's.. and i do all the fancy stuff on aftereffects..

as for broadcast standards, what are they ? pahaha umm if you want to make sure that you're gonna get the same colours when you see it broadcast on the telly then you can apply filters/effects to strip the naughty out of it.. but i never bother ... and with audio you just gotta know where the sweet spot is

//You'll often find that it's a pre-conceived idea that has been 'fitted' to the song

this happens a lot - i think you'll find that some of your favourite videos were created in this way, certainly some of the recently successful ones.. im on the fence on this one.. i have done both

i have a couple of ideas floating about in my brain , but no artist that suits yet... im not about to trash those ideas.. but probably remould them when i get a feel for the song

From what I can gather havin seen some of the raw footage it's actually not a camera technique but a post effect. Footage is shot normally but during the online the camera is reframed and zoomed ever sdo slightly to give it that jittery random look. It's one of Chris Graham's trademarks, he did both the vids you mention.

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... and it's the most god-awful effect I've ever seen.

I imagine, not actually having a clue myself.

ahem...plugin..ahem.

Crazy stuff. My mind is still grappling with the concept - hopefully I'll be able to see it being produced one day so I understand.

heres that powder finger vid
http://www.soundbuzz.com/partners/ninemsn/streams.asp?alphasearch=P#

saw it on c4 last night.. its pretty damm clever

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Scratch that last comment. Sam - cheers mate. Agreed about Powderfinger and it being overused in some circumstances.

//"...and we'll be the same in the end"
On Your Own? from the album Blur, released 1997.

I saw that Autozamm video on C4 the other night, and to be honest, it really didn't look like the intention was to take the piss out of image stabilisation in other videos. It was so overdone that it didn't look like it was even supposed to be image stab... just some kinda weird box image flying around the screen. On the whole I thought it was a pretty crappy video, but I was impressed by the rope swing shot at the end.
But yeah, if it was intended as a joke or diss on the other videos it didn't work. It's kinda like when someone wears a Hanson shirt to be all ironic and funny, but anyone who sees them wearing it just thinks they like Hanson. self burn.

that video has me diving for the remote

There are 1000's of plugins for editting apps that will apply this effect to standard video footage.

It's one of the easiest pound-for-pound effects you can do, but also very played out.

Final Cut on Apple has film effect filters by default, and with a little colour correction you go from sepia to Super* feel very easily. The cheap version of Final Cut called Final Express may have it also by default. Check on Apple.com.

not so much over-used these days, perhaps because video editors seem to always be trying out new effects. It's just very old feeling to me - like the first thing you do when you get into video - literally like in the first 15 minutes.

Hoiwever, if its concept driven, rather than effect for effects sake then it's valid.

If you've got a good eye and feel for video/film (you can't really learn this) you should be able to treat it right. Dogtown and ZBoys is a mighty example of this feel - keep in mind some of it is real film rather than treated video.

Yeah, fo' sho'. Thanks for the help guys. I've heard a lot about Atomic Cafe and seen about 15 secs of it. On my 'to do' list.

I'm aware that things need to have a strong story and/or concept before effects will make them any better - that said though it's only gonna be a Mothra (student film festival in the most derogatory sense of the phrase!). Still, you never want to make a shit film.

Dust, you seem pretty into a lot of film stuff. Done any major projects or is it just a side interest?

//Its closer to my passion than web.
//Im happy editing till cows come home.

Yeah I could tell there was a bit of passion burning there. I know how you feel, too - I'm getting excited just talking about this!

//experimental narrative structures

I know this is probably a boring question, but what do you think of Memento? Also, have you seen Fallen Angels by Wong Kar-Wai? For linear structure it seemed really abstract to me (and a bloody good movie).

//I'm defintiely not a writer whcih I think is key for film.

Nah man just get a partner in crime. Hey, I'm only 4 years away from graduating ;)