We finally got our EP back from Australia and booked our EP release gig, check the pilot artist forum for details. If you have some cool ideas and crafty shortcuts please post them here so other NZ bands can get a bit of a leg up on what can be a pretty daunting experience for the uninitiated.
Thanks for the break down. Just thought I might share we got our cd pressed at Disk-edits.com.au full colour 20 page booklet for about 2.80 landed in NZ. We had to pay a little extra cos of time restraints but still very cheap. i recomend them.
Horns in analog. Leave the bass till as late as possible. Record because you have too, not to be a pop star. Apple Pie Design for artwork.[thats a shocking plug but Mr Dalziell is a genius] Is your equipment working properly? Are you working properly? Listen Honestly, recording is one of the best things you can do for your playing. Enjoy, your next disc will be better still.
Yeah, thats what I generally do, but always keen to hear about other peoples approaches.
I have generally found it very difficult to capture the energy of a band if they ain't playing as a band...
Did you have a budget? If so, were you able to stick to it? (within reason) Did you look at how you might recover the cost of recording and producing?
I know it is frowned upon to consider the filthy lucre ... but let's face it ... not many musos can afford to throw money away. They need to consider how they are going to fund their recording efforts, particularly if they want to get a reasonable number of people outside their immediate circle listening to the music.
We had a budget, I got quotes on everything before committing so I knew what I was in for. We ended up only going slightly over by a few hundred dollars.
In terms of a plan to get a return on my investment? It's a really good question. The idea is that now I have made an investment in every future self funded recording project we do. We have sold 100 copies at $10 so far, even though our EP release is next month ;) with $1000 we can demo up 11-12 more songs and start thinking about more recordings. We have a sales book where we record each sale and we have a bank account with no check book or eftpos card (just in case I get thirsty late at night and am broke.) So hopefully it's self-perpetuating.
Yes Gherkin I often take the bass out redo after vocals down. espically when their might be three basses on the cut. analog horns definetly the go, dont subscribe to must be allin recording, if the songs good you'll find the energy, creative stimulus. its no good playing from the heart when it sounds like shit.Finance, hard to comment without knowing what the group wants as finished product, my shortcuts include, I only hire readers, people who maintain and have high quality equipment, people who are preparded to offer their input, the players who record/write because they love music not to be a "popstar",I must also mention my engerneer/producer has 25 years exp so Im always learning from him. Feel is still subjective to the recording session but "demo" reheresals are a great cost saver too.Lets hear lots of comments, recordings the greatest!
"keep the red light on". designate a portion of the band, or at least drums, bass, keys or rhy guitar recording session to precisily that. We have recently ended up with a cracking track from a very loose "studio jam". The bind is cost, re: wasted studio time but if youve had a good night its definitly worth a shot. Cubibass no idea sorry, Cool edit pro and pro tools are the only programs i have even the faintest idea about. network yor sleeve is what I forgot to say last time, the designers , the studio, helpful retailers or venues, important tutors/teachers etc. That stuff is always commented on and adds to your market base by simple word of mouth. I get students from people hearing me live, if you teach let people know, its not for everyone but if you stick with it its really good for your own playing too.If you can budget this cash like fish is doing with his CD sales the stuff soon adds up. It also shows your fellow players that you have songs, ideas, the ability to plan, desire, and without trying to be to cheesy you are showing a level of commitment or discipline that fellow serious musicians will appreciate. Keep em coming, this thread is good education Mr Fish
We finally got our EP back from ...
We finally got our EP back from Australia and booked our EP release gig, check the pilot artist forum for details. If you have some cool ideas and crafty shortcuts please post them here so other NZ bands can get a bit of a leg up on what can be a pretty daunting experience for the uninitiated.
cheers and happy recordings
Joe
Thanks for the break down. Just thought ...
Thanks for the break down. Just thought I might share we got our cd pressed at Disk-edits.com.au full colour 20 page booklet for about 2.80 landed in NZ. We had to pay a little extra cos of time restraints but still very cheap. i recomend them.
$2.80 is an excellant price. How many ...
$2.80 is an excellant price. How many units? Where did you record it?
Horns in analog. Leave the bass till as ...
Horns in analog. Leave the bass till as late as possible. Record because you have too, not to be a pop star. Apple Pie Design for artwork.[thats a shocking plug but Mr Dalziell is a genius] Is your equipment working properly? Are you working properly? Listen Honestly, recording is one of the best things you can do for your playing. Enjoy, your next disc will be better still.
a link to his site/work might be an ...
a link to his site/work might be an even better plug ;)
I'm curious - do you track the Bass & ...
I'm curious - do you track the Bass & Drummer together & then replace the bass, or do you assemble performances one instrument at a time?
I'm only asking because I've gotten much better results recording the Rhythm Tracks live, then doing O'dubs for additional guitars and vocals.
Horns to analog - dont forget a ribbon mic! The difference using a Royer ribbon on horns was unbelievable.
Sooooooo much detail.
cheers
no-record the entire band live-if you ...
no-record the entire band live-if you do overdubs you do them with 2 or more people playing simultaneously-you get more groove power
play off each other's energy :D...
play off each other's energy :D
Yeah, thats what I generally do, but ...
Yeah, thats what I generally do, but always keen to hear about other peoples approaches.
I have generally found it very difficult to capture the energy of a band if they ain't playing as a band...
cheers
Did you have a budget? If so, were you ...
Did you have a budget? If so, were you able to stick to it? (within reason) Did you look at how you might recover the cost of recording and producing?
I know it is frowned upon to consider the filthy lucre ... but let's face it ... not many musos can afford to throw money away. They need to consider how they are going to fund their recording efforts, particularly if they want to get a reasonable number of people outside their immediate circle listening to the music.
We had a budget, I got quotes on ...
We had a budget, I got quotes on everything before committing so I knew what I was in for. We ended up only going slightly over by a few hundred dollars.
In terms of a plan to get a return on my investment? It's a really good question. The idea is that now I have made an investment in every future self funded recording project we do. We have sold 100 copies at $10 so far, even though our EP release is next month ;) with $1000 we can demo up 11-12 more songs and start thinking about more recordings. We have a sales book where we record each sale and we have a bank account with no check book or eftpos card (just in case I get thirsty late at night and am broke.) So hopefully it's self-perpetuating.
Yes Gherkin I often take the bass out ...
Yes Gherkin I often take the bass out redo after vocals down. espically when their might be three basses on the cut. analog horns definetly the go, dont subscribe to must be allin recording, if the songs good you'll find the energy, creative stimulus. its no good playing from the heart when it sounds like shit.Finance, hard to comment without knowing what the group wants as finished product, my shortcuts include, I only hire readers, people who maintain and have high quality equipment, people who are preparded to offer their input, the players who record/write because they love music not to be a "popstar",I must also mention my engerneer/producer has 25 years exp so Im always learning from him. Feel is still subjective to the recording session but "demo" reheresals are a great cost saver too.Lets hear lots of comments, recordings the greatest!
The only thing I try to subscribe to is ...
The only thing I try to subscribe to is "if it sounds good, it is good"and " try anything and keep the 'record light' on."
Its great to hear about your (and other people in general) approach to recording / creating etc.
Wicked. Keep it coming!!
cheers
keep the 'record light' on." that's ...
keep the 'record light' on."
that's really good advice, some of the best takes can come from the "can I just run through it a couple of times."
Anyone running cubasis, I am having a ...
Anyone running cubasis, I am having a bitch of a time!
dude, email me off list - I may be able ...
dude, email me off list - I may be able to help you w. your Cubasis hassles....
I run cubase vst... I am trying to find ...
I run cubase vst... I am trying to find one of the full version copies on trade me or somewhere similar
"keep the red light on". designate a ...
"keep the red light on". designate a portion of the band, or at least drums, bass, keys or rhy guitar recording session to precisily that. We have recently ended up with a cracking track from a very loose "studio jam". The bind is cost, re: wasted studio time but if youve had a good night its definitly worth a shot. Cubibass no idea sorry, Cool edit pro and pro tools are the only programs i have even the faintest idea about. network yor sleeve is what I forgot to say last time, the designers , the studio, helpful retailers or venues, important tutors/teachers etc. That stuff is always commented on and adds to your market base by simple word of mouth. I get students from people hearing me live, if you teach let people know, its not for everyone but if you stick with it its really good for your own playing too.If you can budget this cash like fish is doing with his CD sales the stuff soon adds up. It also shows your fellow players that you have songs, ideas, the ability to plan, desire, and without trying to be to cheesy you are showing a level of commitment or discipline that fellow serious musicians will appreciate. Keep em coming, this thread is good education Mr Fish