Computer geeks rejoice...

... because I have a question. Actually, you probably don't have to be a geek to answer this, just more knowledgable than I (not difficult).

Righto, I'm inheriting the famdam's old computer as they upgrade. Coming home, I've realised that it's the equivalent of a 1933 Skoda. I need advice on what to upgrade because I can only afford one thing.

At the moment it's got 10G of memory, which is fine for my needs. However, only 64megs of RAM, and has a Pentium 2 333Mhz processor. I need to know which option (out of upgrading the RAM and the processor) will be more effective at speeding IE up - at the moment I can type a whole post before the words appear on the screen - and generally extending the usefulness of the comp. Cheers

P.s Approximate costs would be good too...

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More RAM will help. What OS are you using?

Cost/Availabilty? Depends on what type of RAM your motherboard takes. It'll probably take SDRAM. Some shops sell 64MB PC100 SDRAM for ~$45.

Have a look in your motherboard manual for what kind of RAM it takes, or try and find out what kind of motherboard it is and post it up here.

Ummm...truth is I know shit about hardware and stuff...probably go for another 64M ram. I suspect the most notable performance improvements would come from stripping back the software - delete everything you don't need, run the defrag and everything, and whatever you do, don't try and upgrade the OS. As a matter of fact, if it's already trying to run anything later than Win98, downgrading might be a good idea. Hell, I don't even know if that's possible.

i dunno if it's a memory issue .. . if you only have internet explorer open, the memory shouldn't be a problem .. .
most ways of speeding up internet stuff involve geeky crap like changing your swap file size, adjusting port speeds, making sure you clear out the cache(temporary internet files) every so often .. . stuff like that ..
i reckon have a browse around www.pcworld.co.nz or a similar site. ... they have lots of good advice on this kind of stuff, and usually they explain it pretty well..

also, try getting some anti spyware/adware software, you never know what crazy crap is nesting in your computer

http://www.mp3.com.au/grusome ]

also consider getting a different version of internet explorer. .. some of them are a bit dodgy

//at the moment I can type a whole post before the words appear on the screen

I don't know if you need to upgrade. It sounds more like you computer is broken. A Pentium II should have no problems keeping up with what you're typing and 64MB is more than enough for just browsing and running Word.

So either your processor isn't running at full speed or there's something on your computer preventing it

Before you do an upgrade check out:
- how much disk space you have left
- how many programs are running when you first start up (in Windows 98/ME hit ctrl-alt-delete and it will give you a task list)
- download and ad-aware and any other spyware catchers you can think of
- I really, really hate recommending people re-install their operating system but with older versions of windows it can help a lot if it actually installs

also, a 64Mb Pentium II is more like an early 90's 1.3 Toyota Corrolla Hatch. Quite serviceable, but in your case it's as if your sister has been using it for a year and never had more than 5 bucks worth of petrol in the tank.

Heh, cheers everyone and especially Joe for his amazingly helpful analogy. A few salient points for you to agonise over, doctors:

- I've still got 3.5Gigs out of a possible 9.5 free - not a huge amount, but last holidays I uninstalled all my brother's games and still had problems with heaps of free space.

- I've run Ad-aware quite a few times and it seems to have got rid of anything dodgy. There were a couple of .dll files (I think) it brought up in the registry which I didn't delete because I don't want to risk anything. My defrag is weird too. Whenever I've tried to run it it never gets past about 10%. There's nothing apparent running in the background so I don't know what the fuck is up. I've run a thorough ScanDisk as well, which claims everything is fine.

- I'm running Win98. Don't know whether I want to reinstall just yet as I've got heaps of stuff I still want and I can't be fucked making backups of everything.

- //It sounds more like you computer is broken. A Pentium II should have no problems keeping up with what you're typing and 64MB is more than enough for just browsing and running Word.

Just like a Corolla shouldn't have any probs with Lambton Quay but might with Baldwin St. Gotcha.

Also, can someone just explain the difference in 'jobs' between the processor and RAM. It seems kinda vague. Cheers.

//can someone just explain the difference in 'jobs' between the processor and RAM.

Processor is kind the computing power (so think of a newer chip is like getting an extra 30 IQ points), whereas RAM is like short term memory (so you can be thinking about more things at the same time without having to write notes) OR RAM is like your desk. If you have a bigger desk, you can spread more stuff out while you're working without having to file it on the bookshelf (bookshelf=harddrive)

I agree with Joe that a re-install is a big step, but if it's an older computer, it really can help. I did my first re-install trying to make an old 486 go better in my flat with precious little knowledge and a book from dunedin public library. There used to be a thing called 98lite, which would deintegrate IE from win98 and reinstall the win95 explorer shell which made it go a hell of a lot faster. However, if IE is your browser choice then it's probably not worth doing.

To the best of my understanding, almost nothing is ever deleted from the registry, so it keeps getting bigger and bigger, eventually slowing the computer down. There will still be registry keys for programs that were uninstalled years ago, and a re-install will wash this all away. In fact, generally the less programs you have installed, the quicker your computer will run. When you install windows fresh it starts really quickly. Then you install office, and it takes another 30 seconds to boot, and it just gets worse from there.

Apart from clearing the internet cache, I'd also reccommend clearing out the windows temp directory, usually C/WIN/TEMP.
Hah, and of course, it would probably help if you can find a way to delete Index.dat. It's a bit skiddly, but it could be in the order of 20MB by now, which would make IE run slow.

//Just like a Corolla shouldn't have any probs with Lambton Quay but might with Baldwin St.
This is a bit tangential, but I did manage to get my '78 Datsun up Baldwin St towing a trailer with a couch on. Incidentally, I don't reccommend taking a trailer up there. It's ... er ... rather difficult to turn round...

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Where can I get one of those 64MB Pentium 2s? :P

//It sounds more like you computer is broken
jimi-jims don't you have very skinny wire over your side of the city?
and xtra / telecom plays silly buggers with 2ndry ISPs both these factors can make difference to speed, when i had a 2ndry ISP i could play a game of free cell waiting for a page on nzm to load, as soon as I changed to xtra ....... ZOOM.

Nah it's not the actual internet speed. The whole computer goes slowly, obviously more so when I open a number of windows, but the pages generally load at a reasonably high speed - no thanks to Telecom's shitty wires.

if i were you i would start with formatting the hard drive - gets rid of everything, start from fresh (quicker than sorting through all the programs, what you want etc).

reinstall windows - 98SE would be about right, latest version of IE.

if that does not work, go for more ram.

but yeah, thats the cheap option.

first defibulate your pipe burst cache with some monochromal selite plus.
if you tweak the onboard relay diode you should notice positive results right away.
however becareful not to change your LOS settings as that will offset the NFW and then you are
UBF.

Fuck you Stefan!!! haha

oh right I forgot to tell you to deenergise your computative device before proceeding.
sorry.
you could try jiggling the whatsit with the doodacky, maybe some spittle on the case and a genie rub for good luck. Though I wouldn't hold my breath without the odd kick here and there and cursing, you have to curse.

kick the fucker.

too right. my work PC is in the habit of just totally freezing up -- I suspect the hard drive is sticking (or the read-head is sticking, or something somewhere is sticking), and a decent whack to the side of the casing is the only thing that gets it going again. Very satisfying it is, to correct an IT issue with some brute force.

Hmmm....three months after I got my notebook, the CPU burned out. No amount of whacking, throwing or kicking fixed it - eventually I ended up taking it in to the shop.

I've found that threatening a PC with a large screwdriver can often frighten it into submission.

Dollar for dollar adding more RAM to a PC is the easiest way of improving performance. 64 MB is OK for a Win98 PC but 128 or 256 MB is better.

Also if you are not keen on doing a full reinstall of Win98 at this stage go to the web site below and download a trial copy of system mechanic. This tool is very hand for "tidying up" your system.

http://www.iolo.com ]

Big Stu, I have done as you recommended. However this has lead to another problem. Everytime I try to defrag C, the Windows one just keeps going back to the start at about 10%, while the system mechanic keeps going back to 're-mapping drive due to disk activity'. I assume this is because I've got things running in the background in Windows (even though I'm not 'consciously' running any programs).

I thought maybe restarting in Safe mode and the refragging might be an idea? Or does this not work? If it does, how the hell do I restart in safe mode?

Ergh I have a love/hate relationship with computers...

//I thought maybe restarting in Safe mode and the refragging might be an idea? Or does this not work? If it does, how the hell do I restart in safe mode?

Two options, one is to CTRL+ALT+DEL and end any random tasks to try and stop stuff running in the background, trying to avoid system processes.
To restart in safe mode, restart the computer and then as it boots try holding CTRL (I think that's the win98 one) and F8 does win2000, so if crtl doesn't work, try other things.

Defrag is utter shit in Win 95/98, and probably wouldn't help with your problem anyway.

Oh for fuck's sake. I ended all tasks apart from explorer and systimer, but the stupid thing still says something's going and won't defrag properly. I just think my Comp is munted and there's nothing I can do about it. Fuckin hell, I knew I should have bought a reliable Skoda instead of a crappy Corolla.

To start in Safe Mode cold boot the PC. When the "Starting Windows" message is displayed press F8. This will show the startup menu and you can select Safe Mode from that. Running defrag in Safe mode should do the trick.

// I ended all tasks apart from explorer and systimer

kill systimer as well. all you need is explorer. kill that anyway it should come back.

Make sure screensavers turned off! I always forget to do that on defrag missions. Defrag is a damn hassle to get going properly.

give it some lovin jimi. my p133 with 64mb and win98 works all good. ive never had to reinstall windows or any crazy stuff like that. you just gotta show it that you care.

You'd wanna look at getting up to at least 128Megs RAM. It might pay to ctrl alt delete at some point just to see what your computer is running to make it go so slowly. If there's anything in there that looks a little untoward then give it a nice DELETE and hope for the best. Generally if you need it, windows will bitch at you so don't worry too much but still use your common sense.

Interesting, though... if you'd compare that to driving a skoda, then I must be driving a 1990 Daihatsu Charade with mag wheels and a damn good sound system. (PII 266, 320RAM, WINXP)

Anyway, check how many RAM slots your computer has and what type of RAM (If it's a compaq for example, it needs different ram) then you wanna get up to probably 256 minimum and then find yourself a copy of Windows XP (cough, not condoning piracy of any sort... uh yeah) because it's much more stable and if you take away the kindergarten colour themes it'll run better than win98. Unless you wanna run high intensity games or a 3d Animation studio (i dunno why but thats all i could think of) then you'll have a perfectly good system.

Wow, look at me go.

I wouldn't recommend XP. It seems slow as a dog on a P4 (compared to win2000), so I can't imagine it'd be much chop on an older machine. It'll also make a huge hole in the hard-drive compared to an older version of windows.

why the hell would you put 320 megs of ram in a 266!

damn, i'd call that overkill.

Fuck I love inciting computer-based mocking.

I had two identical second hand COMPAQ 266s. I also had a copy of XP and Windows 95 was absolutely killing me. I'd get an average uptime of about a minute and a half before BSOD. So I raped the ram from one of them, shoved it in the other, formatted and installed XP. (This was on a 6Gig HDD at the time) It ran beautifully. It's highly stable (I get like a few weeks uptime generally and generally Jetstart stays connected for that long as well, which owns me.) and it runs so much nicer than 95 did and 98 on the other machine.

RAM is the only real important thing with XP, a friend of mine ran XP slightly slowly on a 233. As long as you turn off their gay styles and kindergarten fading menus, it's great.