For sure. She's been out for ages & she knows her stuff (Bic). Thanks to both of them we have reached higher levels in our bid to make it to the top.

Actually, the money's not subsidising Dave Dobbyn, but his label - they're paying for the video, they're applying for (and getting) the funding.

// So when should a band stop taking funding and let it
// filter down to the little guys who really need the help
// with promotion? Isn't that what NZONAIR is there for?

No. NZ On Air is there to fund any music that might get played on commercial radio, regardless of how popular or commercially successful the band may already be.

//We're being a little picky aren't we Heather?

yes, I am. Just it still surprises me when people think NZOA's primary goal is supporting kiwi musicians. It does that to an extent, but it's not their main aim. I'm not casting judgement on whether that's a good thing or not.

was that augustino perchance?

oh. hmmmm...im trying to remember..you were telling me this the other day...

There should be more people like you bro. That's some 'exemplary attitude'. Then again, if everyone was like you we'd still be using a barter system. Each to their own I guess, but good on ya for doing what you do.

They obviously didnt look hard enough or in the right place. For $5K you can shoot on film and have some money left over for art department as well. In fact for $500 we shot a video that won 'The Knack' at the NZ Music Video Awards, and recently we shot a video for Wellington's PO-HA with only three rolls of Super 16 and a budget of 2K.

Anything is possible. It just comes down to imagination and skill, and sadly there are some "directors" out there who don't have either. All power to them tho', they get work.

www.aminofilms.com/musicvideos.html

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//Couldn't find a producer that'd do it for $5000.

umm, heather, whatsup with that? , did they live in antartica - i think the 65 odd entries into handle the jandal this year is proof that heaps of directors can do a great job for under 5k. and like mr amino said anything is possible - my handle the jandal entry cost $10 or so

Well, try to remember via email. There are reasons I didn't say who the band was, dummy.

or did you? hmmm...

ok. mail me.

I'm not so don't get touchy. chill out mate.. I just thought it was augustino that's all. no fuckin biggie. regardless of whether you know/like them or not, it was just a idea.

fucks sake mate.

anyway...back on topic.

With regards to hiring of gear and payments, it all depends on your industry & client relationships and what timeline you're looking at. Certainly it is not fair to take advantage of people, but that applies to both yourself and the artist you are working for.

You can't spend money if you don't have any in the budget to begin with, and isn't it about getting more videos and artists on air?

[ http://www.aminofilms.com ]

//If it were any other 'business' receiving funding theyd've had their funds cut off by now if they weren't self sufficient. (I'd hope.)

NZ on Air isn't a 'hand-up' funding body for the little people. Its aim is to increase the amount of airtime afforded to kiwi productions. On the music side, it does this by providing incentives (video, album and international marketing grants) to record companies to continue backing kiwi artists.

A whole bunch of topics have been started about NZ on Air, noizyboy will probably end up making a list for you...probably he's already posted twice since I started writing this.

[ http://www.nzonair.govt.nz/pag.cfm?i=335 ]

// I think with someone like Dave Dobbyn, a record label can judge on track record how many albums he's likely to sell, what he'll make from a tour and decide to back him from there.//

That's probably why they're going after NZOA funding for the video. In case you hadn't noticed, even *established* artists like Dave Dobbyn aren't even guaranteed to sell 5,000 copies of an album, let alone go platinum. Ditto Tim Finn. Bic Runga I'd imagine does actually do alright in the album selling stakes, as does Neil Finn.

I agree with foal!

NZ on Air no longer funds music that enhances the NZ culture.
that was it's initial motive -
if we have a 30% quota enforce (like other countries) then we can start being NZers again.
NZ used to think we could have our own unique sound.
it could have happened - I doubt it will ever now.
selling NZ music overseas is like selling poos to the Bromley poo ponds, it ain't gonna happen.

p.s. heather, do you work for NZon Air?

I think she should (just like I totally deserve to work for the NZMIC).

// don't you reckon that NZ ON AIR logo is really lame

ah, you know, it's ok. I'm not too fussed about branding.

// this subject was fairly well covered quite recently on this site.

indeed. and not too long before that, and a wee while before that again. Hence my relative quietness on this particular forum ... I can't face getting into the same old arguments again.

heh. that Telecom ad forum is bringing back some memories. what entertaining rants!

// the datsuns is a great example never got funded before they went to UK now NZOA is throwing cash at them:)

actually that is a terrible example. they did recieve funding for supergyration beofre going to the UK.