Theres only meat cos ppl let cows live......i know no-one is complaining but doesnt it piss u off when ppl go on about animals rights and stuff when the reality is that if they werent gonna be eaten they wouldnt exist...except maybe in India ofcourse....but obvious cultural reasons..and some use it as a mortor for their houses dont they? Would that smell? Mmmmm yummy.
//doesnt it piss u off when ppl go on about animals rights and stuff when the reality is that if they werent gonna be eaten they wouldnt exist...
Most animal rights groups focus on the welfare of the animals when they are still alive. That Meatrix link doesn't actually speak out against people killing animals for meat, but instead it highlights the terrible conditions under which the animals are kept.
Fair enough.....I get that the Meatrix is against cruelty to animals and i totally agree.....who knows what happens to us when we die....we may come back as cows or sheep or pigs ourselves and I personally would like to be treated nicely if i do.
My Point was that some people do mouth off about how we shouldnt kill animals for meat at all.....and that annoys me.....its their education that is lacking rather than mine.
//My Point was that some people do mouth off about how we shouldnt kill animals for meat at all...
Actually, there are a lot of very sound ecological and economic reasons for going vegetarian. It's a lot more efficient to farm and eat grains and vegetables than it is to farm and eat animals. This has significant ramifications for less developed countries, as well as general global welfare.
Not trying to argue or anything, I do know what you mean. Plenty of anti-meat campaigners I've met are all "how can you eat that! It used to be a cuddly little lamby!" (pah!), but now and then some of them bring up some really good points.
// My Point was that some people do mouth off about how we shouldnt kill animals for meat at all.....and
// that annoys me.....its their education that is lacking rather than mine.
Um, animals we don't use for something actually do still exist, generally. :)
Since people arrived in New Zealand loads of species have become extinct......
*nearly one third of native land and freshwater birds*
*close to one fifth of sea birds*
*three out of seven native frog species*
*one fish, one bat and perhaps three reptiles*
*at least twelve invertebrates such as snails and insects*
*eleven plants, with several more that have not been spotted for years*
I said generally... I have absolutely no doubt that humans have wiped out more species than any other single species has managed. Ignoring our history (always a safe plan, right? ;) I do reckon if NZ stopped breeding cows right now and killed off a large chunk of them we would still not let them totally die out. Well, unless it was through making NZ uninhabitable for them.
// // Not sure how it is back home, I should really look into it....
// yes you should.....
I've heard it quoted that 20% of species of fauna that existed in Oz prior to European invasion are now extinct. I don't think NZ's quite that bad is it?
A friend told me recently that in a UNEP report on most pressing environmental problems for the next 20 years red meat came in second (behind cars). Doesn't surprise me at all.
Farming's fucked Australia environmentally. Not sure how it is back home, I should really look into it. The only red meat I eat now is roo.
I think I'll let a chef cook it for me. (especially if the cooking smell is crook)
Giant rodent, the local wild food challenge winner took out 1st prize with a wallaby dish .
Run-off can be an issue, especially where waterways are unfenced. Pigs and chickens are generally grown inside, but most of the rest of our meat is from relatively natural outside-y things. There is one big meat feedlot (read, large concrete pad for cows to stand on in little pens to eat grain not grass) in canterbury that i know of...
Kangaroos are protected but there's sanctioned culling of a couple fo species to keep where their numbers get a bit unruly (not sure how that's determined). Some of the killed animals are then butchered and you can get the meat all round the place. Numbers are monitored to ensure they're not gonna die out.
IMO roo tastes yummest when it's pretty rare, and is really good chopped up and threaded onto twigs of rosemary to make kebabs on the barbie. Also good cooked in a bit of red wine.
Limegreen - I was more thinking of the changes that need to be made to an environment to allow farming of cattle and other animals to take place. I don't want to rant because I don't have facts to hand, but my general impression from what I've read and heard in Oz is that the impact of lots of hooved animals trampling the place for centuries hasn't been good for things like erosion, soil salinity, and water catchments.
I do trust that if I'm chowing down on a piece of cow's bum here or in NZ that it's not packed with hormones and that the cow lived a relatively peaceful life. Well, up til the abattoir bit. ;)
That's why I briefly mentioned waterways. I think most of the more silly bits of land, like the steeper more unstable hill country, that they've tried to farm have been retired (or planted in bloody pine trees, but let's not get me started on that). Hence, I think the pollution of waterways is probably the key environmental concern here over the way we grow animal produce. The leading culprit here is probably dairying, rather than beef production, although I went to a seminar recently where they were saying that deer are worse (mmmm venison).
Here’s what I want you to do, Oregon Vegetarian: stand in front of a full-length mirror looking at your body, and then smile really nicely at your body as you say to it, I am so much smarter than you.
I Just dont get Vegetarians, OK I can respec' deres opinion but what i dont understand is that they fail to take into account that the entire aninmal kingdom preys another animal to survive, IE. Lions Eat Antelopes, Cats Eat Mice and Birds. Even Sharks and Crocs eat people so why cant humans eat meat???
A while ago I heard some scientist guy on the radio who did this research - he and his team compared the digestive systems (type and number of teeth, length of intestinal tract, things like that) of a whole lot of different animals and looked at their regular diet. Then he compared their findings with the human digestive system and from that they established that the expected human diet should be about 30% meat, 30% vegetables and 40% grains, I think.
Their wouldnt be cows if it wasn't for meat. Their wouldnt be "Africian-Americans' if it wasn't for slavery.The consumption of animal flesh, the wearing of their skins and experimenting on them for either cosmetic or "medicinal" purposes has no place in any society that deems itself "civilised".Just because its legal dont make it right. Using animals as part of the arguement in that some of them hunt to kill is also boardering on the nonsensical. To extend that rational shouldn't you also eat humans? If its all the same right? sailent points: humans dont need meat, a vege diet provids all the nutrients the body needs.The meat industry is the single biggest destroyer of rainforests worldwide. The single biggest polluter in Canterbury is the Dairy industry. Eating meat keeps companys such as McDonlds/ Pepsi/Wendys, etall in business. Would you choose to work for any of those outfits? Africa starves so white people can eat meat. The Blacks arnt growing food for themselves their raising cattle so you can indulge in a violent, wasteful passion. Meat is a Drug, ever wonder why antibiotics arnt so effective or why obesitey is rife in the western world? Comments y'all?
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I saw that awhile ago, the direct site ...
I saw that awhile ago, the direct site is here.
[ http://www.themeatrix.com/ ]
meat is good...
meat is good
meat!!! *bites into a quivering kitten*...
meat!!! *bites into a quivering kitten*
That thing doesn't say meat is bad....
That thing doesn't say meat is bad.
i like satay steak...
i like satay steak
Theres only meat cos ppl let cows ...
Theres only meat cos ppl let cows live......i know no-one is complaining but doesnt it piss u off when ppl go on about animals rights and stuff when the reality is that if they werent gonna be eaten they wouldnt exist...except maybe in India ofcourse....but obvious cultural reasons..and some use it as a mortor for their houses dont they? Would that smell? Mmmmm yummy.
//doesnt it piss u off when ppl go on ...
//doesnt it piss u off when ppl go on about animals rights and stuff when the reality is that if they werent gonna be eaten they wouldnt exist...
Most animal rights groups focus on the welfare of the animals when they are still alive. That Meatrix link doesn't actually speak out against people killing animals for meat, but instead it highlights the terrible conditions under which the animals are kept.
Fair enough.....I get that the Meatrix ...
Fair enough.....I get that the Meatrix is against cruelty to animals and i totally agree.....who knows what happens to us when we die....we may come back as cows or sheep or pigs ourselves and I personally would like to be treated nicely if i do.
My Point was that some people do mouth off about how we shouldnt kill animals for meat at all.....and that annoys me.....its their education that is lacking rather than mine.
//My Point was that some people do ...
//My Point was that some people do mouth off about how we shouldnt kill animals for meat at all...
Actually, there are a lot of very sound ecological and economic reasons for going vegetarian. It's a lot more efficient to farm and eat grains and vegetables than it is to farm and eat animals. This has significant ramifications for less developed countries, as well as general global welfare.
Not trying to argue or anything, I do know what you mean. Plenty of anti-meat campaigners I've met are all "how can you eat that! It used to be a cuddly little lamby!" (pah!), but now and then some of them bring up some really good points.
// My Point was that some people do ...
// My Point was that some people do mouth off about how we shouldnt kill animals for meat at all.....and
// that annoys me.....its their education that is lacking rather than mine.
Um, animals we don't use for something actually do still exist, generally. :)
//Um, animals we don't use for ...
//Um, animals we don't use for something actually do still exist, generally.
you are kidding right?
// Not sure how it is back home, I should really look into it.... yes you should.....
ok it's a kiddies site.. but ...
ok it's a kiddies site.. but ...
Since people arrived in New Zealand loads of species have become extinct......
*nearly one third of native land and freshwater birds*
*close to one fifth of sea birds*
*three out of seven native frog species*
*one fish, one bat and perhaps three reptiles*
*at least twelve invertebrates such as snails and insects*
*eleven plants, with several more that have not been spotted for years*
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// you are kidding right? I said ...
// you are kidding right?
I said generally... I have absolutely no doubt that humans have wiped out more species than any other single species has managed. Ignoring our history (always a safe plan, right? ;) I do reckon if NZ stopped breeding cows right now and killed off a large chunk of them we would still not let them totally die out. Well, unless it was through making NZ uninhabitable for them.
// // Not sure how it is back home, I should really look into it....
// yes you should.....
I've heard it quoted that 20% of species of fauna that existed in Oz prior to European invasion are now extinct. I don't think NZ's quite that bad is it?
I am totally against this factory ...
I am totally against this factory farming corporation shit!!! But i reckon vegetarians can goto hell!!! Join the Auckland uni meat club! yum.
A friend told me recently that in a ...
A friend told me recently that in a UNEP report on most pressing environmental problems for the next 20 years red meat came in second (behind cars). Doesn't surprise me at all.
Farming's fucked Australia environmentally. Not sure how it is back home, I should really look into it. The only red meat I eat now is roo.
Roo? True... Whats it like? I'm ...
Roo? True...
Whats it like?
I'm heading to oz on friday.
Roo's pretty good I reckon. Smells ...
Roo's pretty good I reckon. Smells like shit when you're cooking it, tastes a -bit- like venison but not as good.
I think I'll let a chef cook it for ...
I think I'll let a chef cook it for me. (especially if the cooking smell is crook)
Giant rodent, the local wild food challenge winner took out 1st prize with a wallaby dish .
// Not sure how it is back ...
// Not sure how it is back home
Run-off can be an issue, especially where waterways are unfenced. Pigs and chickens are generally grown inside, but most of the rest of our meat is from relatively natural outside-y things. There is one big meat feedlot (read, large concrete pad for cows to stand on in little pens to eat grain not grass) in canterbury that i know of...
aint kangaroos a protected species in ...
aint kangaroos a protected species in australia??
Kangaroos are protected but there's ...
Kangaroos are protected but there's sanctioned culling of a couple fo species to keep where their numbers get a bit unruly (not sure how that's determined). Some of the killed animals are then butchered and you can get the meat all round the place. Numbers are monitored to ensure they're not gonna die out.
IMO roo tastes yummest when it's pretty rare, and is really good chopped up and threaded onto twigs of rosemary to make kebabs on the barbie. Also good cooked in a bit of red wine.
// of a couple fo species to keep where ...
// of a couple fo species to keep where their numbers get a bit unruly
Oops, that should read "of a couple of species to keep their numbers down when they get a bit unruly"
Limegreen - I was more thinking of the ...
Limegreen - I was more thinking of the changes that need to be made to an environment to allow farming of cattle and other animals to take place. I don't want to rant because I don't have facts to hand, but my general impression from what I've read and heard in Oz is that the impact of lots of hooved animals trampling the place for centuries hasn't been good for things like erosion, soil salinity, and water catchments.
I do trust that if I'm chowing down on a piece of cow's bum here or in NZ that it's not packed with hormones and that the cow lived a relatively peaceful life. Well, up til the abattoir bit. ;)
That's why I briefly mentioned ...
That's why I briefly mentioned waterways. I think most of the more silly bits of land, like the steeper more unstable hill country, that they've tried to farm have been retired (or planted in bloody pine trees, but let's not get me started on that). Hence, I think the pollution of waterways is probably the key environmental concern here over the way we grow animal produce. The leading culprit here is probably dairying, rather than beef production, although I went to a seminar recently where they were saying that deer are worse (mmmm venison).
It's been nearly 3 years since I ate ...
It's been nearly 3 years since I ate meat, ewww
<i>Here’s what I want you to do, Oregon ...
Here’s what I want you to do, Oregon Vegetarian: stand in front of a full-length mirror looking at your body, and then smile really nicely at your body as you say to it, I am so much smarter than you.
That is what it means to be a vegetarian.
-- Ray Smuckles, Jnr
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If meat is murder does that mean eggs ...
If meat is murder does that mean eggs are rape?
I Just dont get Vegetarians, OK I can ...
I Just dont get Vegetarians, OK I can respec' deres opinion but what i dont understand is that they fail to take into account that the entire aninmal kingdom preys another animal to survive, IE. Lions Eat Antelopes, Cats Eat Mice and Birds. Even Sharks and Crocs eat people so why cant humans eat meat???
// the entire aninmal kingdom preys ...
// the entire aninmal kingdom preys another animal to survive
yeah, be careful of those carnivorous sheep.
A while ago I heard some scientist guy ...
A while ago I heard some scientist guy on the radio who did this research - he and his team compared the digestive systems (type and number of teeth, length of intestinal tract, things like that) of a whole lot of different animals and looked at their regular diet. Then he compared their findings with the human digestive system and from that they established that the expected human diet should be about 30% meat, 30% vegetables and 40% grains, I think.
but i perfer meat....
but i perfer meat.
sheep are herbovores....
sheep are herbovores.
<cross-eyed>...
//<cross-eyed> What did you expect?...
//
What did you expect?
I know u kiwis does worse things to ...
I know u kiwis does worse things to sheeps than eating em...
Their wouldnt be cows if it wasn't for ...
Their wouldnt be cows if it wasn't for meat. Their wouldnt be "Africian-Americans' if it wasn't for slavery.The consumption of animal flesh, the wearing of their skins and experimenting on them for either cosmetic or "medicinal" purposes has no place in any society that deems itself "civilised".Just because its legal dont make it right. Using animals as part of the arguement in that some of them hunt to kill is also boardering on the nonsensical. To extend that rational shouldn't you also eat humans? If its all the same right? sailent points: humans dont need meat, a vege diet provids all the nutrients the body needs.The meat industry is the single biggest destroyer of rainforests worldwide. The single biggest polluter in Canterbury is the Dairy industry. Eating meat keeps companys such as McDonlds/ Pepsi/Wendys, etall in business. Would you choose to work for any of those outfits? Africa starves so white people can eat meat. The Blacks arnt growing food for themselves their raising cattle so you can indulge in a violent, wasteful passion. Meat is a Drug, ever wonder why antibiotics arnt so effective or why obesitey is rife in the western world? Comments y'all?