our household saw the ad on tv, and that's exactly what popped into our minds - "can't believe they chose that name, the bastards", but yeah, the timeslot means that people who are really into music will be out listening to the real alt.nz

another doomed Franscesca (who is neat) fronted thing - how's it gonna compete with C4? they should've made it riveting and unmissable instead of half-arsed and half-baked. i should reserve my judgement until it screens, but i'm gonna be out jumping and screaming with Scribe on Friday night, so i'll tape it and fast forward thru the ads on Sat morning ...

aye. i'm on constant pilgrimage in this city.

taped it, missed Scribe (sold out! good on the wee fellah, but us really bummed out), watched some of Hum but got a bit bored ... will lend - see you at our gig when you get back!

TV3 have started the late nite horror up again
yeah Firday nite worked well back in the day when welly closed at 6... I have very very fond memories of fridays nights with my living room filled with folks and smokes while watching music, max head room and the young ones.
But hey comeon you of all people noisy.. being a parent and all must know that we all can't get out every night of the weekend and why the hell should be put up with site like Edwards at large and nz show case,

BLink being the resoursefull wee fellow that you are will come up with a plan to turn this to your advantage...

But they did say "less mainstream end of the spectrum" not "indie" or "lo-fi" or whatever. And they could certainly argue that at least some of the performers mentioned are not as mainstream as, say, Britney or Justin or Robbie or Zed.

And I agree with your comment re the scheduling ... RWP on a Sunday night was the perfect way to end a weekend ...

// "less mainstream end of the spectrum"

yeah...understand your call big stu...however ALL those artists are played on the ZM network at some time or other. In my eyes, that is mainstream...it is kinda wanky to say "less" or "more" mainstream. The fact is, those artists are popular and do not need further assistance. You might say the show is promoting the "COOL end of the mainstream" ie. Radiohead, Beck, the White Stripes and The Strokes.

Pacifier and Fur Patrol are 2 of THE most mainstream NZ artists, they may not be pop like carly binding, zed or brooke fraser. But they are still pretty mainstream.

the mainstream argument argument could go on forever.

//the mainstream argument argument could go on forever. //

Yep!

And the shame of that is that a lot of good music is to be found in the mainstream ... plenty of dross as well. But I could say the same about all the little sidestreams and tributaries of music as well.

Kinda sad that there isn't a show like RWP anymore ... though let us not get to maudlin and romantic about it ... most of the content was sourced from overseas.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could find our own little gem like Jools Holland and produce a show like "Later with ..." Admittedly he has some mainstream stuff on there, but usually it is all gold ... best thing on telly I reckon ... after cricket and footy that is!

I wonder if one of the reasons that we don't see shows with more indie type content is simply that the demographic that such a show would appeal to are not huge telly consumers anyway ... like it or not commercial telly (the only kind we have in NZ) is largely funded by advertising ... if you don't attract the right demographic you don't get the moolah ... end of story. So all you indy fans get out there and consume all those lovely caffienated, carbonated drinks and buy lots of renaults and all that stuff for your hair and then maybe we can have some cool NZ music on the telly.

cheers dust....i actually thought Upload had something to do with NZM, because of Barnabys connection with you lot...ahwell.

I wonder if Homegrown on C4 has any connection to National radio's programme.

I don't think "Hum" babywear will be too concerned (www.humbaby.co.nz) at the use of the hum name, but it frustrates me somewhat.

dam dude, let it out. ;)

it would frustrate the hell out of me! I'm really ashamed of this place sometimes...

and those cunts who go around painting NZM logos on black shirts
i've seen em around!!!
i have!!!
cool cool rock n roll
with a touch of copyright breach to go :D
honestly
kids these days

released a couple of albums....went from indie darlings touring with Shellac and The Jesus Lizard to mainstream rockers touring with Bush...they broke up in 1998. Apparently their last album was pretty good, nobody bought it though. "Stars" was their only big song. Hum (the band) in a nutshell.

Downward is Heavenward is a friggin classic.
Must buy.

you can borrow my copy if you want.

cheers robyn.

I sent Francesca (producer) an email earlier today. I am proactive.....and since this show could spell the end of years of work of mine, i am being very earnest on this matter...

I mean imagine a NZ indie label called "space" or "squeeze"...i mean, god!

i have squeeze's greatest hits. it's a fabulous album ... okay it isn't quite called that (see below) but no never you mind ... by the way - every young'un should have to learn the words to "is that love" ..

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... more from the apple geek file ... apple records and apple computer had a long standing agreement that mr jobs would *never* get into the realm of music as that would cause brand confusion. some people say that's why you can't get the beatles on itunes yet ... no doubt a big payment is coming from jobsy to apple corp sometime soon - i reckon you can get more than fiddy low hum - at least fiddy-two 25.

replying to robyn's thing now ... the way it works in IP law (broadly speaking) is that you can trademark usage of a common word. However, the trademark tends to be around the graphic representation of the word rather than the word itself. And, if you achieve trademark status, then sometone ina similar space has to stay away. usually, a lawyer will say you need to prove at least 12 months 'usage' of the word and the graphical representation of the word before you can get a TM ... go hard hum - and above is right about making this news - this is the sort of stuff the Dom Post / TV3 would eat up - especially that arts/culture reporter in wgtn - clayton someone? is he still around??

// nice synch low hum - it's morning here in nyc (8.44am) what's your excuse!!

haha. that was nice. I just got back from fucken good gig.

oh boy...top class night. Kahu played some beautiful lush soundscapes, die! die! die! came on a for 15 minutes blew the roof off bodega, The shrugs moseyed through their wonderful fantastic songs and then batrider played their most energetic and powerful set to date. A huge night and Batrider proved that they were worthy headliners of such a fine line-up.

Here's some cool trivia: The little musical chime that Apple computers make upon start-up is called "Sosumi", so named when the Apple computer guys realised that by adding that they were branching out into music.