I do agree that we are to heavily influenced at the moment, it would be great if we didnt follow so many foreign trends and made our minds up for ourselves, but having a choice might be a little scary for wee NZ.

why the hell is America trying to Dictate to the rest of the world whats "cool and hip"?? Heavy Metal Artists have FAR more talent than Rappers - Unlike Hip-Hop "Artists" Metallers Actually play instruments.

LONG LIVE HEAVY METAL , ACID ROCK, REAL PUNK AND INDUSTRIAL - DOWN WITH MAINSTREAM MTV-INFLUENCED BOLLOCKS - aye this is the angriest ive been since my reformation, only this time no threats of "re-education" "Socialism in the Fields" or "forced labour in the rice fields" where used.

maybe you are just bitter because you are not recognised by as many people in nz for your musical abilities. word of advice [from greg brown/country singer]: get good and they will come. /?

Tut tut Mercury up,
I do not actually play any instrument, also I am a terrible singer, I am not in a band, and I do not wish to perform infront of anyboby.
Now the big shock I AM A MAORI!!
So shove all of your flash words like socio culture co-evolution or whatever it was and listen, people are influenced by what they watch so if there was a more diverse range of music being played on air more frequently I would be happy.

damn that's harsh jon jr.

harsh but true.

fuck off and listen 2 metallica, sam.
Hip hop artists have far far more talent that metal bands

//you like to use the argument that pop stars that don't play an instrument have no talent,

what are the voice enhancers that makes a pop "star" sound like a robot in Need of prozac then??

and metallica aint metal (no more) Davidwi, there cock-rock you git.

//metallica arent metal, they're crap.//

Ur a monkey crap NonBreed

//what are the voice enhancers that makes a pop "star" sound like a robot in Need of prozac then??//

if u re-read my post u'll c that I was referring to the pop stars who CAN sing without the help of voice 'enhancers' etc. The one's who, the majority of the time, can pull it off live. They certainly have talent. (however rare)

hip-hop is a hugely popular genre at moment./-

I believe popularity comes from exposure, maybe there is funding for just as many rock acts as there are Hip Hop but there is no way they get the same exposure, if people are not given the option then it is impossible for them to enjoy it! Dont get me wrong I enjoy listening to any good music regardless of genre, it just seems the seesaw is a little uneven as far as what gets played on NZ television at the moment.

and yes SARC SARC SARC was present in that final part of my comment

The music video funding part of NZonAir was created so that bands could afford to make good looking music videos that would get played on TV, which in turn would contribute to popularity and radio play, bigger audiences and album sales.

It's common knowledge that NZonAir is not about giving funding to unknown acts with tiny fan bases. It's about up-and-coming or established acts. I can totally understand how it would be frustrating for an underground band to not be able to get funding because they don't really fit the criteria.

However, if Lucy's wet dream were to come true and music video funding was to be scrapped, would this create a level playing field where all bands would be producing equally shit music videos, that would get equal air play on TV? I don't think so. I think bands signed to larger record labels would manage to get a good enough music video made, while smaller bands on independant labels would be scraping around, hooking mates in with digital cameras and managing to make semi-decent videos worthy of TV airtime. Underground with a limited fan base would still be struggling.

NZonAir doesn't make the NZ music scene a perfect place, but it does help out in small, but significant ways. Remember when most NZ music in the charts sucked? I do, and I'm glad that it doesn't anymore.

NZ on Air funds music that will be commercially successful. The aim is to get more NZ music played on commercial radio. So they are really only interested in music that will be successful on commercial radio. So you might have to find some other way to fund your organic dark bluegrass shred crossover experiment. There are other funding options available such as CreativeNZ.
Also, NZ on Air does not have much say in what gets played on the TV. That is mostly up to the television station and they are going to play what rates the highest.
BTW both Nesian Mystic and King Kapisi are from NZ.

1. > Now as far as being commercially successful, anything with enough funding can be commercially successful!!
> this is a one way street and the I am missing out because of it!!!

Robyn's already established that hiphop videos make up a small proportion of grant recipients, so most of your argument is null and void.

2. >Now why would a New Zealander sing about coming from tonga or samoa and especially swinging on coconut trees which incidently do not grow in NZ?

What the fuck are you on about?? Contrary to popular belief, NZ isn't purely the lot of white anglo-saxon protestants.

3. > Who knows the people that choose what plays because I will have to get on thier case as well.

OK, this is where you're almost on track. NZ On Air aren't your problem here. If you have any issue at all (which is pretty dubious) it's with the people who choose to play this stuff, and that's organisations that are out to make money - radio stations, C4, magazines, etc etc etc. Now - do you reckon that your argument of "we don't even have any fucken coconut trees!" is going to stop them playing music that's requested on a regular basis? Hmmmm....

“So you might have to find some other way to fund your organic dark bluegrass shred crossover experiment.????????????”

This was a joke trying to explain that if your music is not in a commercially acceptable genre then it is not likely to receive funding from NZ on Air. Sorry if it went over your head. I shall try to dumb it down for you in the future.

“Now as far as being commercially successful, anything with enough funding can be commercially successful!!”

You are showing your ignorance now. Would you buy a record just because it was produced by the most expensive producer in the world or recorded at Abbey Road or because it was advertised alot. People generally don’t buy music they don’t like, no matter how much money has been thrown at it.

“I actually do not play music and am not trying to get any funding for any music projects either!!”
“also if a NZer went to tonga to play music I doubt the tongan broadcasting commission would fund thier videos, this is a one way street and the I am missing out because of it!!!”

If you do not play music and are not trying to get funding, how are you missing out?

“Now why would a New Zealander sing about coming from tonga or samoa and especially swinging on coconut trees which incidently do not grow in NZ?”

Some people are proud of their ancestry. Doesn’t make them any less of a New Zealander.

“Who knows the people that choose what plays because I will have to get on thier case as well.”

Yes, I agree. If you don’t like what is being played on tv, radio etc. then contact and them and request something else. You will soon find out if the rest of their audience agrees with you.

//New Zealand on Air!?
How many members of Nesian Mystik are from New Zealand!!?

its called being a NZ citizen

/The videos are just so totally NZ

except if theyre widescreened - ugh, quit fucken cropping them, it makes my TV Look like shit, Give me 80s comp graphics anyday.

Nesian Mystic were mostly born here and are as kiwi as anyone else here and about as representitive of inner city Auckland as any band could be.

How do you define NZ citzen....by the colour of their skin?

If thats the case it says more about you than them

The videos are just so totally NZ //

Rowan if you think inner city Auckland is New Zealand then enjoy it and stay there, my opinion is that you could not get further away from New Zealand than inner city Auckland!! and just so you dont get confused that is a figure of speach.

// New Zealand on Air!?
How many members of Nesian Mystik are from New Zealand!!? and King Kapisi is another example, Im not mocking the music they make I just think if NZ on Air are funding music in any form the people recieving the grants should be from New Zealand!!!!

NZ is a diverse country. Maybe they aren't 5th generation NZer's or whatever, but does that matter?

They live in NZ.
They sell their music in NZ,
and they've done a lot for the NZ music scene.

Don't know what more you want?!

I think Nesian Mystik are doing a good job, and good on them.

Stuie, if you think that Inner city Auckland is not NZ then its you that has problems. The whole country is NZ, not just your little corner. I live in Auckland NZ and I'm a NZer. Where I live at least 50% of the people have Polynesian or Maori roots and another 15% are from parts of asia. Now I'm a NZer and those people are too and I'm glad about that. I don't know where you come from but the Nesian Mystic videos represent the part of NZ where I come from. Maybe not your part of NZ but thats called diversity. Much of Wellington looks the same racially. Between 30-40% of Nzers live in the Auckland region. Seems you have a problem with either that, or their racial origin. Thats your problem, not ours and you gotta deal with it cos it ain't going away.

the point is....NZ content on NZ airwaves.....not international success. if it worthy the succes will come

You gotta start somewhere.

artists want as many people as possible to hear what they do.

your comment is so simplistic it hardly deserves a reply.

25 years is hardly a fad

Sam...the first metal record is usually thought of as "You Really Got Me" byThe Kinks from 65, because of the opening riff but true metal only goes back to about 68 with the formation of a band called The New Yardbirds who renamed themselves Led Zeppelin

Hip-hop? Well Bronx block parties with DJs cutting up go back to the early 70s and so do people like Gil Scott Heron and The Last Poets, but the style goes back much further....James Brown's invention of the funk groove from 65 for example and examples of rapping go back in the American black tradition way before that, such as the talking blues.

But don't get so paranoid brother....no-ones "hatin" metal-you been smokin too much maybe?
Everything has its place and I'm sure that C4 will find a space as its hours increase (hopefully). The problem with metal for a commercial organisation is that is only a very small, but enthusiastic audience (look at how metal records chart well one eek but disappear fast) whereas, hip-hop, dance and pop are huge, especially in the bigger cities