I remember Gorilla Biscuits.

And oh how I remember Bad Brains. Those were the days.

//I've actually of Earl
meant to be - I've actually got a video of Earl

One of the Bad Brains dudes (I think it's the guitarist) is now in a band with Mos Def (rapper, possibly best known to the general populace as the token black guy in the remake of The Italian Job), William Calhoun (ex-Living Colour drummer) and ... the ever awesome Bernie Worrell!! (ex-Parliament/Funkadelic keyboardist, but maybe most widely recognizable playing keys for Talking Heads in the film of 'Stop Making Sense')

The band's called The Black Jack Johnson Project. It was started as a reaction against the hip-hop/rock bands like Limp Bizkit, trying to come up with what such a fusion should really sound like. :)

I was looking thru some old videos i'd taped off TV, and came across the video for Ghost at Number 1, what a fucking great song, wicked harmonies nice structure and good strong lyrical content.

I'd always wondered what happened to them, I know that their guitarist left and ended up singing in Slash (G'n'R) band Snakepit.

Hey puzzle any chance of getting a copy of that vid. I have every song of theirs if you want to *whisper*

Yeh disco that's off bellybutton. Your ex had taste, er..........maybe.

So much for a band that no one has heard of eh.

Bellybutton was 91 I discovered it in 92 while in Nelson after bashing possums up the matai, staying with strangers, on tour with gherkin, picked up a cassette and it was jellyfish. spent 2 months trying to find a copy, finally found it in dunedin while I was staying out in mosgiel, again with strangers up on a hill. Other band members were forced to listen to it every day a minimum of two times. The night I found it I played it on repeat fell asleep to it and woke up to it, somehow it's subliminal hooks, hooked me. Sorry to hear about your break up but I'm sure shes a lot happier now.

did her first name start with a K? Was she short and very cute and spoke fluent Russian and kissed like an angel?

sweet you are a legend. I'll send you a copy of my bands new ep which no one has heard and probably no one ever will, along with some jellyfish tracks that I reckon you will love.

Bride of Chunky...really?. That movie had creepy doll-sex, what the hell was up wit that?!

KT are also on The Queen of the Damned Soundtrack. You can't buy their album's here :o( You have 2 go 2 the trouble of importing them from the states...Definately worth the wait tho.

or Courtney loves rather.

Kidney Thieves are indeed good. Bass Dawwen is a fanatic.

Yeah, I thought that as I was posting: which songs make me shout like that?? I think it's a given there won't be many, I was just taking things to extremes...

Yeah we've been playing that song since the beginning of Monkey Puzzle and I've dragged it from band to band for the last 14 years, it's funny because heaps of people think it is a Monkey Puzzle song and when Buckcherry did their version people were asking us how much money we made from selling the rights.

I was lucky enough to see Dramarama play in LA about 10 years ago, they fucking rock!

Hahaha right on, people thought you guys were getting royalties and shit, thats funny.
Soon as Im able I fully intend to get along and see one of your shows. As for Husker du, Kill em all and Maiden thats just sound parenting right there *grin*.

No I mean GOOD bands lena - not flacid alterno wannabies or awful sugar pop - that stuff will kill your brain cells. I don't have any academic ragard for music, and need nore-education from someone whose obviously worn out bored 'purist' sick of anything good, and addicted to the glucose high of the likes of p.diddy Ashanti or Avril.

wow i agree.

yes I 've read your hypothesis on the 'musical stages' of development of youth. It's bs. Ive been into similiar sort of things for about 7 years now, and aren't embarrissed or 'over' any of it, maybe just hdu which are - like mogwai - a bit of a load of wank, but then I knew that when I listened to them first , just convinced myself that they must be good 'cause they're on Flying Nun, which was stupid. The Verlaines wrote excellent songs, have you ever had any of their albums? No, I think you just enjoy tearing down the supposed pretensions of people who would like a band like the Verlaines. Straitjacket Fits are nzs best band ever, perhaps on of the the most original and righteous guitar ever to exist,...

//you assume that if a person likes 1 artist (ie avril) in a genre you dismiss- then they will like ALL artists (ie ashanti & p diddy) in that genre- cos they're all the same-//

Yeah fair point, but how does the same boring sample blearing on and on with some homy/chick wanking on about themselves interest you? It isn't just 'not my thing', I regard it as musicaly droll, all image , no effort, no emotion, a sell and not a very good one at that. Where's the real soul of james brown, the funk of marvin gaye, or even the pop genius of early maddona or god forbid abba? Craig David is the only artist in the super synthetic pop world that I can bear and thats stretching it.

Ok lets make another reply in the lena o fashion.

-make a load of mass judgements without explanations, this is crap, that was ok until.. this is crap, why? because it is.
-presume to know what other people are thinking - ie you only like this 'cause your an arty alterno tosser etc, you'll grow out of it etc. - news lena - not everyone is or was like yourself.

Yous see at least I put in some effor to make myself understood here, I don't like the artists you prefer becasue of the reasons stated above... I just don't feel it pro, forget about the comm. alterno divide, the music isn't intuitive.
Blow was patchy but Melt and Hail where nigh on perfect, in that they were intuitively likeable they had emotional punch, the same for a lot of fn music - you don't have to be a 20 something high street tosser to believe that.

//your critique is based on abstract concepts - like 'sellout' & 'commercialism'//

not entirely true, but yes context may effect my attitiude - and I think it is sometimes fair to make genralisations. Heres one - ultra mainstream music post mid-late 90's depends on songs being written that do their best not to alienate the largest proportion of the target listeners - thats always been the case to some degree but it's gotten so extreme that no exploration is taking place, theres no freedom for an artist to have an individual sound. A similiar story for rock. The singles from artist you mention, without judging them I still find them boring, is that my fault? still blikered because I don't hear what you hear in them?

mainstream music post mid-late 90's depends on songs being written that do their best not to alienate the largest proportion of the target listeners- that applies to all genres- all eras- but their are some auteurs always- in each genre- each era- despite that you gotta recognize that following a formula doesn't mean the formulas gonna work- sometimes- as in ronans other singles- it doesnt- yes you dont hear things the way i do- yet- but you're a music lover- & the golden rule becomes more a part of your filter system with each listening experience