it's not usually louder on stage.
it takes thousands and thousands of watts to power those big-arsed bins and speakers next to the stage.
an amp comes in at 100watts. the bass can lump it at 800watts. (and that's an amp all bassplayers would want).
Thanks for that comment, I did wounder, as often felt that the sound at very very front of stage, or if you can get behind the speaker stack was often not as loud further back..... and had alway put this impression down to madness
//buddy...
when the music is crap sound quality and loud it is.
so dont sit there trying to be cool and say that you love the trebble way out of proportion to the rest of the mix and up really fucking loud.
the gigs what i have been to have had really good sound and yes when the music is crap so is the sound and loudness,i havent been to a gig with terrible music and sound yet. so then i like it no way would i have been trying to be cool saying that i love the trebble way out of proportion,
But loud concerts just aren't... its harder to focus.
Then again, The Melvins when they were with tool.. that was ridiculously loud. I couldnt think because i was too bizy trying NOT to pass out from the volume... haha.
//the gigs what i have been to have had really good sound and yes when the music is crap so is the sound and loudness,i havent been to a gig with terrible music and sound yet. so then i like it no way would i have been trying to be cool saying that i love the trebble way out of proportion, //
i have recently left a gig with a friend because the soundman had the sound cranked up so loud it HURT. and as megaccino has said you are a bit young to state there is never a "too loud"...
i used to be of the opinion that loud was fucking great.
but it gets to a point when there is almost not way to actually differentiate the different sounds coming from the band. i love being able to clearly hear all the chord progressions and what not that goes on. so what is to be gained form having a really loud gig???
you enjoy getting that constant ringing in your ears for three whole days unending???
i prefer a good soundman to have it loud but audiable, thank you very much. an audiable sound level makes the good band look good and shows up the bad band who rely on the excessive sound to make them sound good
Yeah 'too loud' is often a shitty mix, shitty PA. Interestingly I went to a heap of gigs in Oz this year and didn't need any ear plugs and I never thought it wasn't loud enough... These bad-ass NZ bands, going on after midnight and cranking it up to 11. tch.
yeah if you can feel it vibrating your body just imagine what it is doing to your ear drums, only so much of that will leave your music pleasure fucked for ever...........
overly loud music is like bad sex .... sure you can "feel it with your body" but you miss all the complex fiddly bits that take your pleasure to a whole other level.
Earplugs are good. I actually hear the gig better with earplugs(esp. when playing) cos they actually cut out the evil frequencies and just leave the actual sound of the instuments coming through much clearer.
I'm a drummer, and play in a local rock band, and, being a drummer, I've come away from one too many gigs with ringing ears for my likings... so about 2 months ago i went out and got some custom-made ear plugs, they have special filters in them which cuts out all the frequencies that damage your ears, but you can still hear the music and talk to people nearly normally, and I've never got ringing in my ears since. Sure it set me back $300, but wait till I'm 40 and can still hear things crystal clear...earplugs are definitely the way to go!
some bands think that by being really loud, they can obscure their lack of songs/talent...
earplugs are a must at most shows these days. but it would also pay to be careful with your hearing in your everyday life. especially if you live in the inner city. constant noise is worse for your ears than occasional noise. and not only your ears, but your cognitive processing of aural information. we need silence or else our hearing gets fatigued.
being a music lover in the city is sometimes like a (visual) art-lover living in perpetual daylight without eyelids...
ok ive only been to a couple of concerts . . . grr the mother . . . and i've never worn earplugs. But i was wondering . . . wouldnt they interfere with the music that is being played, like distort it or something, make it so that you cant hear the lyrics? i've heard that they are a really good idea and im all for saving my ears from death, but im skeptical . . . can somebody clear up my concerns?
It depends on the earplugs. Don't use those freebies from the plane - they're likely to block out too much. There's some good wax ones available at most chemists, you can mush them around in your ears until you find a sound you like.
All music is too loud. All bands should play mute and the people add their own music in their heads. Bands shouldn't shove their sound down your throat, you have a choice.
I find that shouting out inane comments creates silence, silence is music. Music is a pure art form. Pure is bare. No predetermined interpretation. Silence is free. Free is pure. Cleanse.
Rinse and repeat if necessary.
//All bands should play mute and the people add their own music in their heads.
But without initial stimulus how is anyone supposed to know what to imagine? This is not solved by saying 'anything they want' - output requires input.
//I find that shouting out inane comments creates silence, silence is music
I may be mistaken but doesn't it follow that inane comments are music? Doesn't make for a very 'pure' art form...
If a band is loud and tight it's fuckn rad. However even a lawnmower can give u tinitus(?), so if you play loud music or go to gigs a lot then probably wear earplugs all the time. they cost like $1.
don't you think venues would be doing eveyone a service if they actually sold those little foamy plugs from behind the bar? do some allready? i've never seen it
if u fink that live music is to loud then stay at home and be a boring old fart....Music can neva be to loud...well good music that is..if it is crap becoz then u need to turn it down...or get betta taste in music
But sometimes the crap sound is no fault of the band, its to do with the sound technician.
i remember the first gig i ever went to vividly. It was Fur Patrol, Betchadupa, and Goodshirt. All relatively big acts in New Zealand- the reason it sticks in my mind so clearly is the fact that the sound was so bad I could hardly recognise the songs, and so loud it gave me a headache. It's hard to get enjoyment out of a live act if its like that the whole frickin time, when it doesn't need to be. Luckily most gigs I've been to haven't been like that.
it can feels good when u can feel the music vibrate through your body...
wear earplugs if u dont want to feel it on your ears... loud music live is gooooood
Live music is not "getting" too loud, It has been getting sdeadily lower in volume over the last 10 years.
It is rare to go to a NZ show that has both loud & good quality sound. It's usually loud as hell & mixed like shit, or quiet & great sounding. But there are a few great sound men out there who put on fuckin' rocking shows.
So if you're going to shows alot , like a show every week that you think is too loud for you .. then get earplugs & deal with it. The odd blast every few months isn't going to hurt you..
Anyway, like I said, live shows aren't getting louder .. people are getting fucking softer.
I couldn't hear for about a week after The Ataris concert. My ears kept ringing and any high pitch noise hurt. I also couldn't sleep for about 3 hours...but fuck was it worth it.
I may be a little more protective of my hearing since it gets me my dinners, but I think some shows are too loud. I definitely agree with above, that high volumes degrade a mix. I've been guilty of that at times, and one thing I always have in mind is the crowd's safety. They may want to go home with bleeding ears, and we may never have had a case of a sound person/venue being prosecuted for impairing a person's hearing, but I still treat it as such.
If anyone went to 8 Foot Sativa in Christchurch @ The Civic tonight, I'd rate that as just teetering on the brink of good / too loud - standing in the center of the main crowd, it was great during the most part, until certain peaks came up. But big ups all round to the sound crew, very good sound.
If anyone's been to the likes of Ministry (again, Christchurch) on a big night there, then they'll know what I'm talking about (but I don't expect agreement) - those kind of events get VERY loud. They get away with it because they're playing mastered recordings, not live instruments.
If anyone is completely in disagreement with gigs being too loud, try this:
This is especially good for the metallers - go to Winamp, play a track in Winamp, and rip down the 3k - 6k sliders. All the way. That's where the main body of 'attack' lies in metal tone (being slightly generalised here). If you wanna hear music like that for the rest of your life, spend the next year at every excessively loud gig you can find. See how you like taking out the 12k thru 16k faders as well.
Bands have to play loud so that they can get the right tone in the sound. But they also wear decent earplugs which cut down the sound equally across the spectrum, so that they have the same sound but at a level which isn't going to cause any damage. So if it's good enough for the bands and sound people, who actually know something about sound (most of them), why don't more gig-goers use them?
A couple of years ago I spent $20 on some EAR earplugs from the Rock Shop, and it's probably the best $20 I've ever spent. Now I can hear concerts the way they're meant to sound, and I'm not sacrificing my hearing for a couple of hours at a gig. Think about it.
watch for the deep golden wax permeating the end of your plugs. ;P
must be washable at $20.
i still figure the rigours of the moshpit and unpredictability of a gig kills any reason for me to wear them. maybe tho', just maybe when i know i'll have to endure constant volume, and then it'd have to be all day, and they were there and given to me, i'd consider it.
ear plugs just don't fit my fat earholes.
i should too cos i get wickd ear pressure problems... (but that was from swimming)
Earlier this year I worked on the lighting for an Elemeno P concert in Upper Hutt (shudder..) It was without doubt the worst band mix I have ever heard. It was about 3 times the volume it needed to be. I wish I had an SPL meter there just to see what it was. I was at the lighting desk, halfway back in the hall, with my plugs in and it was still way too loud. I don't know what the "engineer" was listening to, as he seemed to have his headphones on most of the time, trying to look cool, whilst pushing the bassdrum and bass guitar up and up and up.. It got to the point where the bass guitar was feeding back through the PA and it sounded like the cones from the subs were going to fly across the room. I am always pretty fussy with sound quality at gigs as I also mix for a living, but this was just ridiculous. I have heard some stunningly loud, clear PAs that sound sublime. Andy Craig with his properly sorted/tuned EV XArray is a good example in Wellington. So I guess what I am saying is that there is a difference between very loud and clean, and just simple crap over driven "i'm so cool at this console" mixing.
It isn't really volume to a large extent- it's more like pitch and variations between- unfriendly frequencies can kick some serious ass. Consider AM radio on full bore and give me a bucket.
bad sound is bad sound. volume is irrelevant.
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dude, i think you're missing a few ...
dude, i think you're missing a few more options there.
cause there is such a thing as to loud.
and some bands have ear plugs because usually its louder on stage.
such a thing as too loud huh? guess you ...
such a thing as too loud huh? guess you never enjoyed bailterspace then.
Whats that you say... bailterspace ...
Whats that you say... bailterspace (LOUDASFUCK).
it's not usually louder on stage. it ...
it's not usually louder on stage.
it takes thousands and thousands of watts to power those big-arsed bins and speakers next to the stage.
an amp comes in at 100watts. the bass can lump it at 800watts. (and that's an amp all bassplayers would want).
Thanks for that comment, I did wounder, ...
Thanks for that comment, I did wounder, as often felt that the sound at very very front of stage, or if you can get behind the speaker stack was often not as loud further back..... and had alway put this impression down to madness
dude, music is never too loud!...
dude, music is never too loud!
buddy... when the music is crap sound ...
buddy...
when the music is crap sound quality and loud it is.
so dont sit there trying to be cool and say that you love the trebble way out of proportion to the rest of the mix and up really fucking loud.
//buddy... when the music is crap ...
//buddy...
when the music is crap sound quality and loud it is.
so dont sit there trying to be cool and say that you love the trebble way out of proportion to the rest of the mix and up really fucking loud.
the gigs what i have been to have had really good sound and yes when the music is crap so is the sound and loudness,i havent been to a gig with terrible music and sound yet. so then i like it no way would i have been trying to be cool saying that i love the trebble way out of proportion,
But loud concerts just aren't... its ...
But loud concerts just aren't... its harder to focus.
Then again, The Melvins when they were with tool.. that was ridiculously loud. I couldnt think because i was too bizy trying NOT to pass out from the volume... haha.
Shit that must have been LOUD!...
Shit that must have been LOUD!
//dude, music is never too ...
//dude, music is never too loud!
That said by someone too young to see most gigs. How would you know? & after a few years of loud gigs, your ears can get fucked.
blindspott#1... //the gigs what i ...
blindspott#1...
//the gigs what i have been to have had really good sound and yes when the music is crap so is the sound and loudness,i havent been to a gig with terrible music and sound yet. so then i like it no way would i have been trying to be cool saying that i love the trebble way out of proportion, //
i have recently left a gig with a friend because the soundman had the sound cranked up so loud it HURT. and as megaccino has said you are a bit young to state there is never a "too loud"...
i used to be of the opinion that loud was fucking great.
but it gets to a point when there is almost not way to actually differentiate the different sounds coming from the band. i love being able to clearly hear all the chord progressions and what not that goes on. so what is to be gained form having a really loud gig???
you enjoy getting that constant ringing in your ears for three whole days unending???
i prefer a good soundman to have it loud but audiable, thank you very much. an audiable sound level makes the good band look good and shows up the bad band who rely on the excessive sound to make them sound good
Yeah 'too loud' is often a shitty ...
Yeah 'too loud' is often a shitty mix, shitty PA. Interestingly I went to a heap of gigs in Oz this year and didn't need any ear plugs and I never thought it wasn't loud enough... These bad-ass NZ bands, going on after midnight and cranking it up to 11. tch.
volume doesn't automatically equal a ...
volume doesn't automatically equal a shitty mix. when it's loud and the sound is right, thats when it's unbeatable for me.
If you can't litterally FEEL the ...
If you can't litterally FEEL the music, then it doesnt have teh same effect in my opinion.
yeah if you can feel it vibrating your ...
yeah if you can feel it vibrating your body just imagine what it is doing to your ear drums, only so much of that will leave your music pleasure fucked for ever...........
overly loud music is like bad sex .... sure you can "feel it with your body" but you miss all the complex fiddly bits that take your pleasure to a whole other level.
damn you aka i had the analogy in mind ...
damn you aka i had the analogy in mind and then you say it!!!
arggghhh i make yee walk the plank!!!
U can always wear ear plugs, such as i ...
U can always wear ear plugs, such as i do....
Earplugs are good. I actually hear the ...
Earplugs are good. I actually hear the gig better with earplugs(esp. when playing) cos they actually cut out the evil frequencies and just leave the actual sound of the instuments coming through much clearer.
luv an' tinitus
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I'm a drummer, and play in a local ...
I'm a drummer, and play in a local rock band, and, being a drummer, I've come away from one too many gigs with ringing ears for my likings... so about 2 months ago i went out and got some custom-made ear plugs, they have special filters in them which cuts out all the frequencies that damage your ears, but you can still hear the music and talk to people nearly normally, and I've never got ringing in my ears since. Sure it set me back $300, but wait till I'm 40 and can still hear things crystal clear...earplugs are definitely the way to go!
some bands think that by being really ...
some bands think that by being really loud, they can obscure their lack of songs/talent...
earplugs are a must at most shows these days. but it would also pay to be careful with your hearing in your everyday life. especially if you live in the inner city. constant noise is worse for your ears than occasional noise. and not only your ears, but your cognitive processing of aural information. we need silence or else our hearing gets fatigued.
being a music lover in the city is sometimes like a (visual) art-lover living in perpetual daylight without eyelids...
...
///some bands think that by being ...
///some bands think that by being really loud, they can obscure their lack of songs/talent...///
Agreed. There's nothing worse then a band who thinks the louder they are, the more you won't notice the lack of talent.
ok ive only been to a couple of ...
ok ive only been to a couple of concerts . . . grr the mother . . . and i've never worn earplugs. But i was wondering . . . wouldnt they interfere with the music that is being played, like distort it or something, make it so that you cant hear the lyrics? i've heard that they are a really good idea and im all for saving my ears from death, but im skeptical . . . can somebody clear up my concerns?
It depends on the earplugs. Don't use ...
It depends on the earplugs. Don't use those freebies from the plane - they're likely to block out too much. There's some good wax ones available at most chemists, you can mush them around in your ears until you find a sound you like.
All music is too loud. All bands ...
All music is too loud. All bands should play mute and the people add their own music in their heads. Bands shouldn't shove their sound down your throat, you have a choice.
I find that shouting out inane comments creates silence, silence is music. Music is a pure art form. Pure is bare. No predetermined interpretation. Silence is free. Free is pure. Cleanse.
Rinse and repeat if necessary.
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//All bands should play mute and the ...
//All bands should play mute and the people add their own music in their heads.
But without initial stimulus how is anyone supposed to know what to imagine? This is not solved by saying 'anything they want' - output requires input.
//I find that shouting out inane comments creates silence, silence is music
I may be mistaken but doesn't it follow that inane comments are music? Doesn't make for a very 'pure' art form...
i often crave loud music. no shit. i ...
i often crave loud music.
no shit.
i need to satiate something in me.
loud as in shihad loud with a partially deaf soundman. (starlight-ballroom).
Yeah, music is the shit when its loud & ...
Yeah, music is the shit when its loud & its your preferred type. I love it loud.
For others that dont simply yes, use earplugs.
if everyone at a gig is wearing ...
if everyone at a gig is wearing earplugs, it seems a bit silly to me.
it's even sillier when they are all ...
it's even sillier when they are all wearing earmuffs
If a band is loud and tight it's fuckn ...
If a band is loud and tight it's fuckn rad. However even a lawnmower can give u tinitus(?), so if you play loud music or go to gigs a lot then probably wear earplugs all the time. they cost like $1.
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don't you think venues would be doing ...
don't you think venues would be doing eveyone a service if they actually sold those little foamy plugs from behind the bar? do some allready? i've never seen it
www.naquadah.co.nz .............. this ...
www.naquadah.co.nz .............. this rock band kicks ass, join the forum!!!
Idiote....
Idiote.
if u fink that live music is to loud ...
if u fink that live music is to loud then stay at home and be a boring old fart....Music can neva be to loud...well good music that is..if it is crap becoz then u need to turn it down...or get betta taste in music
But sometimes the crap sound is no ...
But sometimes the crap sound is no fault of the band, its to do with the sound technician.
i remember the first gig i ever went to vividly. It was Fur Patrol, Betchadupa, and Goodshirt. All relatively big acts in New Zealand- the reason it sticks in my mind so clearly is the fact that the sound was so bad I could hardly recognise the songs, and so loud it gave me a headache. It's hard to get enjoyment out of a live act if its like that the whole frickin time, when it doesn't need to be. Luckily most gigs I've been to haven't been like that.
it can feels good when u can feel the ...
it can feels good when u can feel the music vibrate through your body...
wear earplugs if u dont want to feel it on your ears... loud music live is gooooood
Live music is not "getting" too loud, ...
Live music is not "getting" too loud, It has been getting sdeadily lower in volume over the last 10 years.
It is rare to go to a NZ show that has both loud & good quality sound. It's usually loud as hell & mixed like shit, or quiet & great sounding. But there are a few great sound men out there who put on fuckin' rocking shows.
So if you're going to shows alot , like a show every week that you think is too loud for you .. then get earplugs & deal with it. The odd blast every few months isn't going to hurt you..
Anyway, like I said, live shows aren't getting louder .. people are getting fucking softer.
um GET HARD. or earplugs are good if ...
um GET HARD. or earplugs are good if thats not an option
WHAT DID YOU SAY?...
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
EAR PULGS dude, loud music is the best, ...
EAR PULGS dude, loud music is the best, oh yea lets listen to sativa in low volume!!
I couldn't hear for about a week after ...
I couldn't hear for about a week after The Ataris concert. My ears kept ringing and any high pitch noise hurt. I also couldn't sleep for about 3 hours...but fuck was it worth it.
On topic, live music is too loud
I may be a little more protective of my ...
I may be a little more protective of my hearing since it gets me my dinners, but I think some shows are too loud. I definitely agree with above, that high volumes degrade a mix. I've been guilty of that at times, and one thing I always have in mind is the crowd's safety. They may want to go home with bleeding ears, and we may never have had a case of a sound person/venue being prosecuted for impairing a person's hearing, but I still treat it as such.
If anyone went to 8 Foot Sativa in Christchurch @ The Civic tonight, I'd rate that as just teetering on the brink of good / too loud - standing in the center of the main crowd, it was great during the most part, until certain peaks came up. But big ups all round to the sound crew, very good sound.
If anyone's been to the likes of Ministry (again, Christchurch) on a big night there, then they'll know what I'm talking about (but I don't expect agreement) - those kind of events get VERY loud. They get away with it because they're playing mastered recordings, not live instruments.
If anyone is completely in disagreement with gigs being too loud, try this:
This is especially good for the metallers - go to Winamp, play a track in Winamp, and rip down the 3k - 6k sliders. All the way. That's where the main body of 'attack' lies in metal tone (being slightly generalised here). If you wanna hear music like that for the rest of your life, spend the next year at every excessively loud gig you can find. See how you like taking out the 12k thru 16k faders as well.
i like tha band buzz only of tha ...
i like tha band buzz only of tha atmispher is good ,of it is i dont really mind tha volume
Bands have to play loud so that they ...
Bands have to play loud so that they can get the right tone in the sound. But they also wear decent earplugs which cut down the sound equally across the spectrum, so that they have the same sound but at a level which isn't going to cause any damage. So if it's good enough for the bands and sound people, who actually know something about sound (most of them), why don't more gig-goers use them?
A couple of years ago I spent $20 on some EAR earplugs from the Rock Shop, and it's probably the best $20 I've ever spent. Now I can hear concerts the way they're meant to sound, and I'm not sacrificing my hearing for a couple of hours at a gig. Think about it.
watch for the deep golden wax ...
watch for the deep golden wax permeating the end of your plugs. ;P
must be washable at $20.
i still figure the rigours of the moshpit and unpredictability of a gig kills any reason for me to wear them. maybe tho', just maybe when i know i'll have to endure constant volume, and then it'd have to be all day, and they were there and given to me, i'd consider it.
ear plugs just don't fit my fat earholes.
i should too cos i get wickd ear pressure problems... (but that was from swimming)
Dude live music has to be loud, if it ...
Dude live music has to be loud, if it aint loud it aint right!!
Peace
Earlier this year I worked on the ...
Earlier this year I worked on the lighting for an Elemeno P concert in Upper Hutt (shudder..) It was without doubt the worst band mix I have ever heard. It was about 3 times the volume it needed to be. I wish I had an SPL meter there just to see what it was. I was at the lighting desk, halfway back in the hall, with my plugs in and it was still way too loud. I don't know what the "engineer" was listening to, as he seemed to have his headphones on most of the time, trying to look cool, whilst pushing the bassdrum and bass guitar up and up and up.. It got to the point where the bass guitar was feeding back through the PA and it sounded like the cones from the subs were going to fly across the room. I am always pretty fussy with sound quality at gigs as I also mix for a living, but this was just ridiculous. I have heard some stunningly loud, clear PAs that sound sublime. Andy Craig with his properly sorted/tuned EV XArray is a good example in Wellington. So I guess what I am saying is that there is a difference between very loud and clean, and just simple crap over driven "i'm so cool at this console" mixing.
It isn't really volume to a large ...
It isn't really volume to a large extent- it's more like pitch and variations between- unfriendly frequencies can kick some serious ass. Consider AM radio on full bore and give me a bucket.
bad sound is bad sound. volume is irrelevant.