There's been a bit of talk over Metallica coming for big day out and shit and not many guys really caring for them and they suck as the main headers. Well, I aint I big mullet black jeans and white sneakers fan but I used to be. Back in the days of early childhood angst, wearing skin tight jeans and a Metallica tee-shirt were the sure signs you were hard. Now days its baggy pants, a baseball cap on backwards and a sticky plaster over one cheek.
Oh, and maybe the odd gun in the back of your trousers.
I went to rolling stones in 95 thinkng it would rock my world and it would be an unforgettable experience. Well, as of late, the experience has been forgotten. And as for the climax of the show, the "build up to the fire shooting from what looked like a phallic... um... whatever it was", was incredibly lame.
The best thing that happened was the warm up band, the Exponents, who had the entire crowd eating from the palm of their hands. We were clapping, shouting and singing along to all the words. They were brilliant!
The big diff is the Exponents never "made it" internationally and were quite happy staying put earning a living the way they were. They've made more albums than Bowie has Greatest Hits and they've been around longer than Jesus Christ (and more popular I might add... oops sorry! Scandal heee).
The point I'm making? Well, Metallica is an international band, so big they can't play to an audience under 20,000.
WIth flashng lights and elaborate stage designs, you forget what the music is about and that's to entertain and some bands just forget that.
I saw Salmanella Dub and Trinity Roots a week ago and apart from the mind numblingly apologetic set from Pitch Black (who are those guys? A couple of skinny white dudes with red hair who are really good with computers. Woopee.) it was an unbelievably amazing concert only because they knew how to manipulate noise and mindfuck an audience without the added pretention of "we're so great".
Its really hard to make a living out of music, we all know that cos we've tried or we're still trying. We all, it can't be denied, crave for rockstar status but refuse to "sell out" which I beleive is our greatest downfall if we ever think we'll ever be a popular band.
Bands, beleive it or not, still hold regular jobs! Oh my god!
When rockstars were fashionable, you know, long hair makeup, wearing dresses, smashing up hotels and porking small furry animals, they became famous before they were 21. That's impossible to do today unless you got big tits, no stomach or you look like Justin Timberlake. Its hard to get a song on the radio even after you've passionately spent your dead fathers inheritence money to write and record it. You could have made the greatest single in the world, the one which everybody wants to hear, and enjoys hearing it. But that ain't radio worthy.
Maybe our own ears don't want to hear it. Maybe we prefer drivel. I hate being depressed by music! But I'll only hear that shit if its honest. Unlike Everclear who are forever-unclear (you like that? I was playing on those words) about wether they're depressed or not. Not, is probably the right answer. The basic meaning of their lyrics read like: "I hate to be rich, world famous and being able to eat like, I dunno, anytime I want to. I really have nothing to say now cos all I want to be is popular. Oops! I am popular, I forgot! I'm sorry, I'm just going to pop out skiing now, right after my butler wipes my pampered ass clean"
Its hard to figure out whats false and what isn't anymore, once you make it you lose touch with reality - does it really make music writing anymore enjoyable?
Man. I reckon the best music writers come from New Zealand. I still don't think its supported enough. We spend too much money on overseas shit. We don't need it cos we got everything right here! Our own hip hop, rock, metal, limp biscuits, popstars whatever. And they're tasteful (apart from the odd skinny white spakheads with flaming red hair. What the Hell is up with that? Come on fellas! I've seen old guys on the street with battery powered casio keyboards move more people! Get a grip! Tell ya what - learn to play an instrument.)
Oh fuck it! Lets get rid of overseas shit, but not lose touch. Keep the aguileras and eminems. They're still important, wether we like it or not. But we don't need that excess shit, the aguilera/eminem copies. Whoever the fuck that kid is who plays the piano and sings through her arse hole. The hip hop "wannabe destinys child but I cant write songs but I am going out with a gangster who's been shot in the face". the "I'm tall, under twenty and I'll let you see my ass if you buy my album". The dickheads, limp biscuit "yes I am hurting no believe me I am in so much pain life is just so hard I hate being rich I wish I was back at school instead of hanging out with these Penthouse chicks in my, um, penthouse okay lets rap about it oh I forgot we're heavy metal".
Doesn't it drive you insane?
We can make a living writing music. We don't have to go overseas to prove ourselves, we just gotta stop dreaming - you'll never be a rockstar!
And NZonair have to be a lot more supportive. They still only allow "commercial" shit to be played. You're song can be great produced to the best quality but I'm sorry, we just let the boring spakheads through or anyone who has an ex-All Black for a father.
Go bless Liam, god bless the Finns, god Bless the Datsuns, the Rungas, the Trinity Roots, the Salmanella Dubs, the Lucid 3s, Minuits, P-Moneys, the Scribes, the King-muthafucken-Kapisis, the Che Fus and Supergrooves, the Pacifiers and Fur Patrols and there are a shit load more we haven't even begun to hear about and fuck it! NZonair know that they're around cos they get sent new singles everyday!
I know we can support ourselves! Our own little industry! I know it!


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You could have said that in two ...
You could have said that in two sentences. What was the point of that again? Oh yeah ....support nz music....oh yeah, unless of course it's not worthy of support - like the bands you mention, and which excludes about 95% of the ones you don't, for those same reasons.
Dimmer, David Kilgour, Damien Binder, Sola Rosa, David Mulcahey, - those are the only local artists/bands that have released anything half decent in NZ from the last 3 years. But I'm really just a bigot of course.
That's like when you get drunk and ...
That's like when you get drunk and come up with a plan to save the worldd and you write it down so you don't forget, then the next morning you look at what you've written and you wonder why "everyone drink mor piss" had seemed like such a good idea.
sounds fair enough.....new zealand has ...
sounds fair enough.....new zealand has many interesting and diverse musical acts...and we should support them ... but why stop listening to artists from overseas .. . ?? new zealand is only a tiny speck on the world stage, and although there are lots of good bands here, the majority of good bands are still from overseas, the last thing we want is to isolate our little scene further
nz on air seems to focus on more commercially viable material, because they want a 'return on investment' their whole agenda is to encourage growth in new zealand music and to promote bands who (according to them) have the best chance of being successful, which in their case means making money and selling albums...it's unlikely they will support experimental sort of music (which is where new zealands strength lies in my opinion), because its not such a good economic risk .. .. i dunno
also why bring down pitch black while talking up salmonella dub? ... a surprising amount of sally dubs material is created (at least in part) by the super talented paddy free .. ie one half of pitch black....
sorry but... ¿when did new zealand have ...
sorry but... ¿when did new zealand have the touch?- most of the examples you cite are- ¿touchless?- ¿salmonella dump?- ¿watered down african headcharge with a bit of dnb thrown in?
//¿watered down african headcharge with ...
//¿watered down african headcharge with a bit of dnb thrown in?
i think they would like that discription - i avoid sal dubs new stuff at all costs, but i think you may find that the older stuff like drunken monkey and previous has some ''real' merit even for a whiney hack like you lena o -
as per big boring post at top - - chunky thick stinky burly - yucky bum
flynch, you've clearly thought long ...
flynch, you've clearly thought long and hard about it all, but rating the Exponents over Bowie (and the stones) is like comparing Greg Johnson to the Beatles. Where are you? You are talking about different paradigms of importance, but each to their own and all that...
I guess there's lots of us who are disillusioned with the mainstream etc... but you just seem to be buying into that whole "once they make it big, they've totally sold out" argument. If life was that simple, I figure I woulda left the stones concert after the mighty Exponents had blown us all away and forgotten about the main act. for christ's sake, have you ever listened to CCR?
And not to mention the fact that no new ...
And not to mention the fact that no new zealamd radio stations, with the exception of chanel z, will play Steriogram as they arn't good enough and arnt an international band! but hold on they have been signed to Capitol records in america (same label as the beachboys) for at least 3 albums, have been playing with pennywise, saliva, blink 182 and becky (keano reves band) havespent over 6 months on the road in america and being loved by everyone who goes to see them. so what the fuck warrents an international band? im sure their music would go down easier than the majority of the bullshit that is being broadcasted over our radio stations these days. but they obviously they aint good enough. sorry steriogram the new zealand radios dont want you. but the public love you guys. so go figure
wow. that sounded like a prep talk ...
wow. that sounded like a prep talk before a sports game or something. are you a coach?
yeah i'm sorry fellas i feel i just ...
yeah i'm sorry fellas i feel i just had a bit of a rant! Had a few things to get off my chest! I agree with most of what you guys say!
i just get continually frustrated with the "got to be a big artist or we're not going to listen to you" syndrome. There's cats out there that wont listen to a band cos they're new zealand or they won't see a local band cos they don't have an album. it's sad cos those people are missing out on so much.
And no I don't mean get rid of all international artists, its just that there's too much of them. Overseas, they're just a franchise. Hell they can spend a million bucks on a chick with a great ass, get the money back in a week and she's tomorrows garbage. Neither party cares cos she's a millionaire, the company got their money back and now there's a new chick they picked up on pop stars they wanna make famous!
I'd better stop now or this is gonna be another long winded message! The positive side of stereograms is that they're travelling and making music and that's great. It doesn't cost them to play a song on radio, except for radio but they've got it into their heads that if they don't play christina nobody's going to listen and they lose sponsers, awful corporate stuff. And I would personally like to know that sterograms exist along with a few hundred more, like the ones mentioned above.
I feel there's a few songs that could be replaced, disposable ones, with a good new zealand tune. or is that just wishful thinking?