go-go happy - no offence, but have you seen the stats on this programme? The amount of viewers - how many nzers tuned in for the final of american idol?

There's always going to be critics, but go to some of the positive idol sites, and you'll find it's highly popular. Give NZers a chance, hey, it's not your thing, but it is mine. And many others as well - just not to many on this site... but i think there's a lot of closet watchers.... :o)

the show is more about the ratings and the number of viwers that it brings to the tv than it is about the music, yes i dont like the style but thats not my arguement.

The show . . . should be about the music not the people! Think back to popstars. . . apart from being a complete disgrace. . . true bliss didnt last long once the show had finished, i think they lasted a couple of singles and one cd before they broke up and now the only one that i have heard about is erica and only coz shes on rtr, and that shows her divotion to music, obviously the others were only in the gig for the fame and not the joy of singing and making music which like i keep saying it should be.

To me its just another form of reality tv to keep the consumers happy and even tho thats what it is doing quite well they have their priorities all mixed up

My opinion anyway!

[ ~~still young and innocent~~ ]

Carly binding was in it, and i think it's truth to what i've said for so long (though not sure if i've said it on here or not) that it's what you make of it. There are people that go to auditions for fun - good on them - but don't mistake that for real passion to make it. My passion is to sing. No one's ever going to stop me! :o) But Erica followed the TV path (nothing wrong with that, music, acting, arts - it's all quite similar) and Carly followed her music path. THe others had the same opportunities, but didn't get as far. Joe Cotton hosted M2 i think it was, and havn't heard from the other two. THe chick with braids i saw auditioned for Erica's partner on rtr, but didn't get through. And the blonde one - she could be in africa for all i know.

It's just how you use the opportunities that are given to you - and if you want it, you'll use anything you can. (aside from sleeping my way to the top - that's one thing i refuse down right to do).

yup Carly was in True Bliss but her album, even with all the hype, kinda bombed. I work in a record shop part time in a big mall and we didn't sell a copy

Yea, not that it's a surprise, but i'm quite glued to it too. More so actually than the american one. I think millsy's quite cute, but Levi is SO hot! :o) mmmmmm.......

But on the music side, i think they picked the final 12 quite well. I hope NZ standards are up there as well.

Oh god heather it's people like you who are driving this never ending reality tv fad. Just look at what was on last night, from 7:30 to 10:00 nothing but reality shit. They make it casue it's cheap, and in NZ with only 4 channels cauch potatoes have no choice but to tolerate this crap.

ah huh, ah huh, yes yes.

You like, aloong with a whole bunch of other teeny boppers, so the rest of us are left to either grin and bear it, or turn off. Yeah that's fair.

//That's what I like about it - the performers are really good
letting the team down mate.

well that's right, if you want ot watch tv, often the only choice is between some cheaply made borefest or Coronation Street. Sure knowone has to watch tv, but tvnz at least has a public repsonsiblity to provide viewers with some choice. Where that damn charter when you need it?

2 cents
you idiot

all shows are made for profit?

reality tv is a way to increase profit margins.. but I'm guessing these music idol shows cost heaps to run becasue of the logistics involved.

oops sorry heather - i was saying what i said to you to Rdor.

I think you will find that most of the costs are covered by sponsorship - people jumping on the "band" wagon so to speak. People watch it, they get addicted to the characters - they buy the - geeze, i can't call them albums...er...they buy the shit.

er...blah.

I agree, i'm sure they do it for commercial reasons. But i'm doing it for fun, and cos i love it... may as well use the system to my advantage... it's there....

But in saying that, do pubs have people there for the fun of it? No, probably not - cos they have to pay them, but they bring in drinkers. Same theory works all round, just in the case of NZ idol, it's really public.

I never said i'd be set for life - i've never claimed that. What i said was that it was a great opportunity. It's there, why not take it? If i have 15 minutes of fame, and i go for it with my all and still never get anywhere - at least i've tried. I don't care if i end up oweing them money. I have other skills, and i'm not in it for the money. It's a great experience. Look at it for what it is, the positives. Meet new people, get to sing, adn perhaps you'll get a demo out of it.

I dont' have stars in my eyes, i have a goal to sing as much as possible, and take opportunites that are presented.

i think he was trying to be different 9in a sarcastic way

Thanks. Are you going in it?

Nice to hear someone that likes similar stuff to me. :o)

I'm also too grim for the competition.

yep. HA HA HA!!!

oh shit mate sorry. thought you were trying to be humorous.
no seriously. HA HA.

Well I thought it was funny ...

But the reason that there's so much hate for the various Idol shows is because unlike Rockquest etc, which is a type of music most people here like and generally takes skill to do, this stuff is for stupid pre-packaged pop - contestants sing covers most of the time, get marked on how they look, and all dumb stuff like that.

They are basically looking for another Britney Spears or Justin Timberlake and most people on this board want to kill these two people!

I want to enter it, and i write my own stuff. I also love other music. People write beautiful songs, and i must admit, i love to sing them. I'd love to work with real song writers, it's not my forte, but i'd definitely be in helping write my own stuff, and working on stuff i already have. Sometimes it's just good for people to be able to bounce stuff off others. It's just another forum. So you sing other people's songs to get there. So you get there, then you do your own stuff (i admit thogh, i like pop, rock, r'n'b, soul, funk..... the list goes on). If nothing else, it gets you in people's minds when you start to do more stuff of your own if you don't make it through. people remember you... it's all about networking. Talent takes you a long way, but sometimes personality and the talent to network can just be the icing on the cake to get you there. Think of it this way, as opposed to people making fools of themselves, it's a chance for some of us who really want it, and have half talent, to actually have a public forum to do it in. Some of us just arn't sure where to go with our goals and how to achieve them. This is just another stepping stone

fuck off rdor you jealous prick.

Rdor, what do you have if not dreams? I have a reality too, but i don't like it a huge amount. I much prefer to look to the future, and in my future, i'm on stage. Joining a band is cool and all, but i much prefer to do it myself. And someone has to win, so why not me? Even if i got to teh final 50 or whatever, i'm going to make contacts. All i've ever asked is that people give me a chance - just cos it's not the exact same way you guys do it, doesn't make me any less a musician.