My boyfriend is going to be buying some pretty hardcore equipment as he wants to get into producing drum n bass, and he doesn't know whether to go with Q-Bass or Logic, can someone in the know give me some pros/cons of each?
My boyfriend is going to be buying some pretty hardcore equipment as he wants to get into producing drum n bass, and he doesn't know whether to go with Q-Bass or Logic, can someone in the know give me some pros/cons of each?
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I assume both cost money. buzz is free. ...
I assume both cost money. buzz is free. Qbass I've never heard of.
Logic is ok enough, provided you have the gear to back it up. Buzz can do whatever you want for free - of course it applies to the old adage of
i)FAST ii)CHEAP iii)GOOD
choose only two - so if it's fast and good it's not going to be cheap. buzz is cheap, therefore if you want to get the most out of it you have to spend some time with it. All you need to write interesting enough dnb with buzz is your computer and your brain. I've heard some great stuff, and I can send some if you're on msn or whatever.
my advice is that he tries buzz, with soundforge (I use 5.0 but whatever) and Waves L2 + Broadband EQ + linMB for mastering.
And an old hifi amp from cashies and a pair of good enough speakers. If it's necessary, I believe the SBLive card has a seperate out for a sub, but don't quote me on that. (They call it "Bass Redirection" heh)
but yeah. if he's got a PC, (which he should as macintoshes are for people who prefer appliances over real computers) get him to check out buzz first. 226 synthesizers and 250ish effects for free can't do you wrong. the only bad side is it's strictly a sequencer, so there's no multitrack recording available with the ease of something like logic. All my stuff has been done in buzz so it can be some indication of uh.. hmm "versatility".. been using it for 4 years or so and I'm still discovering things I can do.
sorry for writing a novel,
loogie
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it definitely has to be good quality, ...
it definitely has to be good quality, so cheap isn't really the way he's gonna go.
I mean cheap in price, not in quality....
I mean cheap in price, not in quality.
QBass = cubase. Cubase is much the ...
QBass = cubase.
Cubase is much the same sort of deal as Logic, multi-track sequencer with various plugins for effects and whatnot. The latest version of Cubase (SX) is by far the most user-friendly of this type of software, and is great for sequencing other applications together with any external sound sources you might be using.
But, like disasteradio says, if you're doing all your music creation on your PC, and don't need any multi-track recording functionality, you might be better off going for something like buzzmachine, fruityloops, reason (yeah, yeah) or similar.
hahah. of course. cubase. buh it's ...
hahah. of course. cubase.
buh it's too early in the morning. I use steinberg's cubase-a-like Nuendo for doing some multitrack mixdowns and the like, when I need to. I have to get into recording as it's just not synthpop-a-go-go without some guitar in there. I'm gonna buy a delta 1010 as soon as I can find $1300. grr.
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//QBass = cubase. hehe , yeah , ...
//QBass = cubase.
hehe , yeah , sorry bout that.
cubase=good, not to steep a learning ...
cubase=good, not to steep a learning curve
logic=better, good luck finding your way round for the first few weeks, let alone that year you need to conquer it
buzz=fuckin aye, good times, along with impulse tracker, fast tracker, spent years making tunes on those...but, well...i sense your bf might want something a bit slicker...reason..u wanna make quick nasty fat dnb? get that...also check out fruityloops, sonic foundry acid, cakewalk sonar...all goood
samples...need samples...wheres his fat beats coming from? or his thin, over compressed, over eq'ed..dead end beats of shite dnb cock piss fucktardorando...
fuck sorry
but i think i dont take well to another dnb producer
piss
just because buzz has a tracker ...
just because buzz has a tracker interface it doesn't make it it or s3m or whatever. You're working with actual audio streams and synthesis, not just samples.
I've heard a band recorded through the thing (no small feat heh) and the mixes sound like a million bucks. There is truly no difference in quality between buzz or logic or cubase, it's only a matter of knowing what synths / effects to use .
I just prefer the tactility of buzz I guess, pianoroll is a complete bitch to program in and I guess more to the point the way effects are routed give you practically infinite combinations of possibilities.
appaaarrently harcoonan (buzz dev) is working on a thing called Aero which will have modularised sequencer support with the same effects routing system as buzz, so one could use pianoroll or step buttons or trackers or whatever to sequence, and it'll be free. don't quote me on any of that.
at the very least, buzz is worth ...
at the very least, buzz is worth downloading for purely learning how to program a synth/ sound. I would definately recommend that someone learnt what certain things do / sound like for free before buying a hardware synth.
// it definitely has to be good ...
// it definitely has to be good quality, so cheap isn't really the way he's gonna go.
If he has the attitude that he has to spend a lot of money to get good software he's gonna get shafted. IMHO looking at only Cubase and Logic is a bit like listening only to ZM and trying to pick between, I dunno, Ashanti or Shakira when deciding your favourite artists. Depending on your tastes, you might be happy, but you're ignoring a raft of other options. I'm happy to recommend some other things if your boyfriend would be interested.
FYI, Apple bought the company that makes Logic recently and cancelled any plans for ongoing PC support. If someone wants to make music on a Windows machine and wants the benefits of future support and upgrades, they simply cannot use Logic. Maybe someone said this already and I missed it?
no it's not that he's closed-minded, ...
no it's not that he's closed-minded, it's just that he has two equally competitive quotes - one from the rock shop for a mac, logic, control keyboard etc, and one from music works for a PC, cubase etc, and is trying to decide which package to go for.
// FYI, Apple bought the company that ...
// FYI, Apple bought the company that makes Logic recently and cancelled ...
yeah we already knew about this, and it's also coming into the decision making of things. he's already decided he wants either logic or cubase, but the thing I'm most trying to find out here is what benefits does each software have, and what downfalls
// it's just that he has two equally ...
// it's just that he has two equally competitive quotes - one from the rock shop for a mac, logic, control keyboard etc, and one from music works for a PC, cubase etc, and is trying to decide which package to go for.
I'm not trying to say he's close minded, just maybe doesn't know what else is out there. If you go to a music store you will get the big "professional" products. They cost a lot. There are other things which do the job just as well, sometimes better depending on yr requirements, which you can find online. If he did some shopping around on the web for different stuff, then got some quotes on the hardware from rock shop & music works, he might find the total price is much cheaper.
Attached is a link to a sequencer/studio that can do everything Cubase can do (AFAIK), and which is only $70 US at the most. It's also Shareware, so you can play around with it before registering.
The risks with this kind of product are in the support, but some of these things have great online communities and la la la...
Anyway, I'm not trying to slag your boyfriend's decisions, just hoping he's making the most informed choice he can.
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okay thanks for that jet. I agree that ...
okay thanks for that jet.
I agree that it's important to make an informed decision.
When you use the word "professional" in quotation marks like that, are you saying that there really isn't any difference between cubase/logic and a less expensive program? My boyfriend's going for the best because he really does want to do this professionally, he's totally into his music, it's his passion, he won't risk getting only second rate equipment for the sake of saving a buck.
Yeah, that's exactly the reason I put ...
Yeah, that's exactly the reason I put professional in quotes.
I've heard whole albums that have been written largely in Disasteradio's fave, Buzz, and never thought "hmmm... sounds a bit amateur".
Also, in terms of sound, your boyfriend should be aware that Cubase and Logic are both sequencers, so the sound quality is a very, very small aspect of the product.
All they do is work with the noises you give them. It's true that the final sound might be ever so slightly different, but it'd be like comparing the same CD on two different high-end amps. To my ears the other products recommended here don't SOUND different.
I've heard a CD done entirely in disasteradio's big fave app Buzz, and never even considered how it was made until I read somewhere what software the guy used.
oops sorry about the double up about ...
oops sorry about the double up about Buzz... I just really wanted to make my point. ;)
cubase has rewire...which will work ...
cubase has rewire...which will work wonders if he gets reason, which no dance music producer can be without...it basically lets you pipe beats/synths/automation/anything from reason into channels within cubase, where you can add vst fx...all that shit..
logic has got some wicked virtual synths, and really high end effects, built in...
its one or the other...theyre both equally as good, you just need to learn it...
obviously...shit musics not gonna be made any better by the more money spent on whichever top of the line sequencer/studio etc...
download some demo software...try that...logic free...cubasis...fruity loops...reason demo...heaps a shit..
Thanks you guys are helping heaps, ...
Thanks you guys are helping heaps, anyone else who has some ideas your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
if you are unscrupulous (like me :) ) ...
if you are unscrupulous (like me :) ) why not just beg, borrow, or download cracked versions of all the commercial software you are considering. .. . play with them all, then just delete the ones you don't like, and, if you feel guilty, buy the ones you do like.... .. ..
also get something which supports VST plugins (i.e anything except reason) else you'll get bored with the same old noises after a while...
but however you choose to do it, and whatever program you use, the final output is only going to be as good as what goes in . ..
ie.. i f you have wack ideas, you'll make wack music. . .. .
good luck to him :)
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what do you use grusome? you'd be a ...
what do you use grusome? you'd be a tracker fan?
buzz mostly. . . . . . ... . .and some ...
buzz mostly. . . . . . ... . .and some experimentation with cybertracker recently. .. . i have reason as well, but only because my brothers friend keeps putting stuff on my hard drive
It's spelt Cubase, and logic is by far ...
It's spelt Cubase, and logic is by far a better application. You'll find that Cubase will crash alot when dealing with big files
Yeah we covered the spelling earlier...
Yeah we covered the spelling earlier