I geuss I wasn't thinking about whether they were enjoyable, more about whether they were influential. Hence the important thing.

I don't keep track of rock, tho, so maybe there are many more Janes knock offs than just that terrible Blind Melon band back in the day...?

Yeah, I was very much obsessed with Jane's Addiction when I was at school, and admit that I'm at least curious to hear the new album... I'm still not sure what impact they've had musically. The kind of thing you describe with Kraftwerk, where whole forms of music were shaped by their existence.

'Summertime Rolls' is so dreamy and nice...

Heh. Yeah, lots of workmates here in Melbourne went and saw them here and said the same kind of thing. Interesting about the hipster call... I decided not to go see them here in Melbourne because I decided their importance didn't mean I'd have a good time at their gig.

Are you sure you're not just trying to emphasize the fact that you're in Melbourne because that's what all the cool kids do as well?

People who only like "important" music make me sad. I say like something because it causes a reaction in you, whether it's raising your pulse and excitement levels like some songs can (current favourite 'exciting' track is "one more little death" by the dead souls), or because it makes you happy and want to dance dumbly, like Robbie Williams as mentioned in another forum. People shouldn't be ashamed or pretentious about their music choice (although I'm sure I'm both sometimes).

Yeah true. (except the Melbourne bit.. heh)

Look out.. I'm about to spin out entirely...

I love music in several ways, and one of those is the 'High Fidelity' kind of "where does this fit? who produced that? what else have they done?" way. Music fascinates me as a nerdy pursuit. The thing that is tricky is the way I consider/listen to music causes reactions in me. Music isn't just some sounds, it exists within the context of everything I've heard before and/or read about. So sometimes I'll be excited at the underlying concept or maybe context of something... and that -is- a matter of an emotional response, a liking of something, but it's probably quite different from, say, how thrilled I was to hear 'Billy Jean' while drunk at a 21st last weekend.

My point? It's not necessarily a hipster/pretense thing to be digging music in a different way from just whether it has a certain kind of energy or emotional resonance. I guess the trick is being able to maintain that it's a "different way" rather than "higher level" or some bollocks. A lot of people who do know a lot of rubbish about music do get wanky about it. But then a lot of people are steadfastly anti-illectual about music too, and are just wanky about that...

Gotta ramble on...

Cool, sounds like we are on the same wavelength then. I know that hype thing all too well. It's probably there with a band like Kraftwerk too. How could their music live up to their place in the Rock Snob Canon when you're actually listening to it!? But still, if it ain't your thing, it ain't your thing...

it was this year!!

i think it was minesweeper...

and I took the whole journey from welly just to see kraftwerk - worth every penny.. they were the only band I watched (apart from sparta & chicks on speed)

techno sucks. Im sure Lucifier sam will want to reducate all u techno listeners.....

i sure will prison......

ill dump a load of CX Nerve Gas over a group of Preps/Scantly clad slappers and Jocks trying to get into the BDO

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Man all you fools missed out on WILCO! There was such a small crowd for them and they were fucking crazy. For all those that found the album over worked and a little tiring (i love it too, but its hard work) the live renditions were even more tripped out but more energetic and immediate.

The drummer had a giant set of strange percussion things, vibraphone, electronic drum pad (for kettle drum orchestral sounds) not to mention a beautiful Gretch looking kit. They had two keyboardists who both also played guitar (one of them had a Laptop and was smapling the band as they played and then backwards looping the shit, panning from left to right made me almost pass out was so intense and weird) and all this whilst playing very purty country/folkish songs.

Unlike any other band I have ever seen (also able to rock it up traditional style).

// who missed out on Wilco?

Not I.

But I had to leave the end of the set to go and watch the QOTSA. Then the sound fucked out and they had to play again later (as you all know.) The tragedy... I missed the end of Wilco. And now I listen to Wilco far more than QOTSA. These things happen, I guess.

If people like recent Wilco might be interested in checking out Loose Fur? Jeff Tweedy, Glenn Kotche and Jim O'Rourke having a bit of a jam around the time of the YHF sessions. It's not particularly great but some of the songs are definitely good.

I love Jeff's voice. Made me realise how little I like Jim O'Rourke's by comparison.

I have Qotsa both sets on cd from BDO-NZ, it is good, brings back memories

really cool pics man

The bit where Tweedy abruptly walks out of the meet & greet after his solo show was priceless. And the whole "subset of heavy metal drummer" argument was like something out of The Office. Poor Jay Bennett.

I must be a big saddie because YHF and Summerteeth are two of the best albums I have ever heard. Being There is pretty damn good too.

god. i thought its one of the the worst doco's ive ever seen and the worst movie about music ive ever scene... it was like lets make the main guy look like a tortured king and make the lead axeman look like a prat. i mean that arguement where jeff tweady goes off and has a vomit is completely spliced in from a totally different day!!!!! its so vile, it was trying to hard to be something sentimental and special, and completely rubbed me up the wrong way....

eye eye leno. overated by themselves as far as i can tell.