i'm down with the ethics nzm is run on. advertising means money, and money means progress. i'm down with it. the fact telecom advertises here is a huge endorsement on the impact of nzm as an entity and as a collective.
Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Sat, 2003-05-31 00:47.
if u read my post then you'd know for sure what sort of advertising is reccommende dby meself, i 4got 2 mention that "sponsord links" should be included - google have these and they are in no way a [pain in the arse when compared to popups and floating ads.
Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Sat, 2003-05-31 14:57.
i agree w u dust.
i also HATE Floating ads - its just legitmized hacking from the other side. highly annoying and intrusive.
one way for decent advertising to work would be sponsored links - google has these and are much mor eeffective than the deceptive intrusive b/s seen on many other sites.
BTW how bout putting psychedelic writing and colours on NZM??? i need something to read while floating in space.
hmm, must admit i freaked my nut.. but, if it means you hard working chaps and gals from nzm get some coin for everything you've done for us - then thats aok usa.
//if you can exchange a thing for money then there's no soul in it
not true, remember you sold me your soul for two beers and 3 fity
'sadly' some things will only happen for money.. maybe nzm can buy some more server space and put more music vids up - that would be 'progress' .. altho i would prefer to agree
//if you can exchange a thing for money then there's no soul in it
Nothing has a soul ... "the soul" is just a piece of Judaeo-Christian bullshit ... which is all part of a plan to make people feel guilty about enjoying life and force them to contribute to the wealth of others.
Money, on the other hand, is an extension of the idea that "things" have value and that by exchanging "things" of equivalent value we can obtain those "things" that are necessary for our survival and our happiness ... used to be beads and shells and pelts and stuff or straight barter. Now we use metal coins and paper notes to signify value. Like it or not money (or some other form of value) makes the world go round.
//Nothing has a soul ... "the soul" is just a piece of Judaeo-Christian bullshit
//Like it or not money (or some other form of value) makes the world go round
here comes trouble
progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity.
-Thor Heyerdahl
Every physical thing ( and a lot of non-physical things) has value of some sort to somebody ... to someone looking for heat cow dung has calorific value. Things have value to everybody, materialist or not. Money reperesents a means of exchanging value. There is nothing intrinsically bad about money.
//soul has no value to big stu//
Read my post again; I said nothing has a soul. There is no such thing (physical or otherwise) as a soul. I do, however, enjoy "Soul" music and am quite happy to describe a person as acting or performing with soul. But I stand by my contention that things do not have souls and therefore the fact that things are exchanged for money cannot in and of itself suddenly change the character of the thing in some way. A song is universally accepted as a "great" song. The songwriter gives permission for the song to be used in an advertising campaign. Still the same song; still great. The song has not changed.
//so where does love exist in big stu's world?
I don't see how this question follows from your previous statement. There is no logic in it. Just because I do not acknowledge the existence of this thing you call a soul does not mean that I do not know what love is. You seem to be equating the idea of a soul with the various emotions and physical responses we call love.
I know what love is. I experience it constantly in my life. Love "exists" in my relationships with my wife, my children, my family and my friends. I do not require a soul to give and receive love.
i didn't even notice the ad until this topic came up. i did think there was something slightly different about the main page, but i couldn't think what it was. i don't find it very intrusive, so i don't have a problem with it.
i do find it quite amusing though that everyone is so supportive about this (ads = money, money = progress), yet when musicians do it, its "selling out". you only need to read the threads on the telecom ad and the air new zealand ad to notice the double standard!
Yeah ... kinda ironic I guess. The Great Beast Telecom supporting the pure at heart NZ muso ...
But then again, maybe the ad that everyone got so het up about was more truth than fiction. Maybe Telecom does support NZ music ... kinda looks that way anyway.
And sites such as this one are often a labour of love for the people behind the site. And if they are typical NZ music people they don't have deep pockets. Good to see that they have got some means of extra support. Otherwise we could face the choice of paying for the privilege of belonging or lose the site completely.
Submitted by Nouveau Riche on Thu, 2003-05-29 14:31.
The Great Beast Telecom is not supporting New Zealand music so much as capitalising on it. They recognise that this site is bloody popular and that lots of people will see their ad. NZM need the financial support to keep the site going so it is a symbiotic relationship. Make no mistake - they like to be seen supporting whatever has a healthy attendance of their target demographic.
At least Telecom use real musicians and didn't get a composer in Auckland to come up with their "signiature rock" track and then use actors as "musos" like a certain airline I can think of.
Go Telecom. Go NZM.
Submitted by Dr Gymkhana on Fri, 2003-05-30 23:48.
The lack of real advertising (i.e. advertising of things other than local gigs, CDs, etc) on this site was always something which made me like the site more.
It's pretty rare to find a website as good as this running without ads, I almost expected nzm would start having 'outsider' ads sooner or later, but it's not as bad as I expected. The Telecom banner is little, unobtrusive, isn't a pop-up, doesn't to fance tricks with the cursor and doesn't have annoying flashy lights all over it.
So, if it helps the nzm crew-that-be run the site better, choice - the more value it has to them, the more value it will have for members and bands.
Cher guys, keep up the wicked work.
you guys that are saying have no ads - are basically saying - hey - nzmusic.com, we think you should put in hard work, late nights, no sleeo for us for free. we dont want you to have financial rewards at all for such a great site. hell - if you're in a band and we find out you get paid for it then that's bad. just moronic comments and i bet you're all at school and get pocket money from your parents!
//you guys that are saying have no ads
//just moronic comments and i bet you're all at school and get pocket money from your parents!
who is saying that shanerait ? i think you've find not a single person has posted that view point,....
some of the most outspoken nzmers have posted on this forum.. and i think everyone agrees ; if its good for the nzm crew, its sweet action ... so settle petal.. chill winston
I must admit, after being away from the site for a couple of days it was the first thing I noticed-it seemed so huge. But as long as there's no pop ups, I can't really complain. More money for this website surely should equal greater things.
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i don't think we have anything to worry about.........
i'm down with the ethics nzm is run on. advertising means money, and money means progress. i'm down with it. the fact telecom advertises here is a huge endorsement on the impact of nzm as an entity and as a collective.
word up.
werd to you.
NZM appreciates the inspired feedback and vision in that comment. cher.
if u read my post then you'd know for sure what sort of advertising is reccommende dby meself, i 4got 2 mention that "sponsord links" should be included - google have these and they are in no way a [pain in the arse when compared to popups and floating ads.
This is not an issue.
[ http://www.vodafone.co.nz ]
pop ups?
never. ever. they suck.
awh but now how we gonna join that porn ring?
..... midget porn?
midget gay porn I bet
hopefully!
pornolize nzm!
[ http://www.pornolize.com/ ]
lol
i agree w u dust.
i also HATE Floating ads - its just legitmized hacking from the other side. highly annoying and intrusive.
one way for decent advertising to work would be sponsored links - google has these and are much mor eeffective than the deceptive intrusive b/s seen on many other sites.
BTW how bout putting psychedelic writing and colours on NZM??? i need something to read while floating in space.
hmm, must admit i freaked my nut.. but, if it means you hard working chaps and gals from nzm get some coin for everything you've done for us - then thats aok usa.
//money means progress
sad but true
they musta had so many hits that their server has crashed.. HTTP 500 - Internal server error
//money means progress
progress where to?
if you can exchange a thing for money then there's no soul in it
so you're talking "progress" into soullessness
happy happy joy joy (c) TM reg.trdmrk
[ http://www.underbelly.co.nz ]
//if you can exchange a thing for money then there's no soul in it
not true, remember you sold me your soul for two beers and 3 fity
'sadly' some things will only happen for money.. maybe nzm can buy some more server space and put more music vids up - that would be 'progress' .. altho i would prefer to agree
//if you can exchange a thing for money then there's no soul in it
Nothing has a soul ... "the soul" is just a piece of Judaeo-Christian bullshit ... which is all part of a plan to make people feel guilty about enjoying life and force them to contribute to the wealth of others.
Money, on the other hand, is an extension of the idea that "things" have value and that by exchanging "things" of equivalent value we can obtain those "things" that are necessary for our survival and our happiness ... used to be beads and shells and pelts and stuff or straight barter. Now we use metal coins and paper notes to signify value. Like it or not money (or some other form of value) makes the world go round.
//Nothing has a soul ... "the soul" is just a piece of Judaeo-Christian bullshit
//Like it or not money (or some other form of value) makes the world go round
here comes trouble
progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity.
-Thor Heyerdahl
"things" have value to materialists
soul has no value to big stu
so where does love exist in big stu's world?
[ http://www.inyerface.com ]
//"things" have value to materialists//
Every physical thing ( and a lot of non-physical things) has value of some sort to somebody ... to someone looking for heat cow dung has calorific value. Things have value to everybody, materialist or not. Money reperesents a means of exchanging value. There is nothing intrinsically bad about money.
//soul has no value to big stu//
Read my post again; I said nothing has a soul. There is no such thing (physical or otherwise) as a soul. I do, however, enjoy "Soul" music and am quite happy to describe a person as acting or performing with soul. But I stand by my contention that things do not have souls and therefore the fact that things are exchanged for money cannot in and of itself suddenly change the character of the thing in some way. A song is universally accepted as a "great" song. The songwriter gives permission for the song to be used in an advertising campaign. Still the same song; still great. The song has not changed.
//so where does love exist in big stu's world?
I don't see how this question follows from your previous statement. There is no logic in it. Just because I do not acknowledge the existence of this thing you call a soul does not mean that I do not know what love is. You seem to be equating the idea of a soul with the various emotions and physical responses we call love.
I know what love is. I experience it constantly in my life. Love "exists" in my relationships with my wife, my children, my family and my friends. I do not require a soul to give and receive love.
i didn't even notice the ad until this topic came up. i did think there was something slightly different about the main page, but i couldn't think what it was. i don't find it very intrusive, so i don't have a problem with it.
i do find it quite amusing though that everyone is so supportive about this (ads = money, money = progress), yet when musicians do it, its "selling out". you only need to read the threads on the telecom ad and the air new zealand ad to notice the double standard!
Yeah ... kinda ironic I guess. The Great Beast Telecom supporting the pure at heart NZ muso ...
But then again, maybe the ad that everyone got so het up about was more truth than fiction. Maybe Telecom does support NZ music ... kinda looks that way anyway.
And sites such as this one are often a labour of love for the people behind the site. And if they are typical NZ music people they don't have deep pockets. Good to see that they have got some means of extra support. Otherwise we could face the choice of paying for the privilege of belonging or lose the site completely.
The Great Beast Telecom is not supporting New Zealand music so much as capitalising on it. They recognise that this site is bloody popular and that lots of people will see their ad. NZM need the financial support to keep the site going so it is a symbiotic relationship. Make no mistake - they like to be seen supporting whatever has a healthy attendance of their target demographic.
At least Telecom use real musicians and didn't get a composer in Auckland to come up with their "signiature rock" track and then use actors as "musos" like a certain airline I can think of.
Go Telecom. Go NZM.
please NO pop ups!!!
ewwww pop ups!
I don't really like it that much, it kinda cheapens the site a bit.
But since its helping NZM be even better, then it is a good thing!!
The lack of real advertising (i.e. advertising of things other than local gigs, CDs, etc) on this site was always something which made me like the site more.
It's pretty rare to find a website as good as this running without ads, I almost expected nzm would start having 'outsider' ads sooner or later, but it's not as bad as I expected. The Telecom banner is little, unobtrusive, isn't a pop-up, doesn't to fance tricks with the cursor and doesn't have annoying flashy lights all over it.
So, if it helps the nzm crew-that-be run the site better, choice - the more value it has to them, the more value it will have for members and bands.
Cher guys, keep up the wicked work.
advertising on this page is ok provided that
1: it is restricted to banner advertising
2: no pop-ups
3: no fucken floating ads. AKA Legitimized hacking.
you guys that are saying have no ads - are basically saying - hey - nzmusic.com, we think you should put in hard work, late nights, no sleeo for us for free. we dont want you to have financial rewards at all for such a great site. hell - if you're in a band and we find out you get paid for it then that's bad. just moronic comments and i bet you're all at school and get pocket money from your parents!
//you guys that are saying have no ads
//just moronic comments and i bet you're all at school and get pocket money from your parents!
who is saying that shanerait ? i think you've find not a single person has posted that view point,....
some of the most outspoken nzmers have posted on this forum.. and i think everyone agrees ; if its good for the nzm crew, its sweet action ... so settle petal.. chill winston
p.s .. you can see im still at school cause i cant spell.. i waste all my pocket money on coca-cola and tangy fruits
I must admit, after being away from the site for a couple of days it was the first thing I noticed-it seemed so huge. But as long as there's no pop ups, I can't really complain. More money for this website surely should equal greater things.
Hey, advertising gigs! Now that's really cool!
YES! Right on.
Who makes the band advertisements?
morsemedia?
Yeah, gig ads are great! This could be one way for NZM to exhibit (bits of) band's gig posters.