wicked as, I hope they will sell out in the U.S, or is 100,000 sales not that much in terms of money, well heck, if they made a dollar for each record they will still be doing well.

What is gold in NZ? (I think World wide and in hte US its 500,000, I'd guess the NZ number would be somewhat smaller with out population and all)

// or is 100,000 sales not that much in terms of money

I think, and don't quote me on this, that the D4 have licensed their album to Hollywood Records, so they actually stand to make a fair profit should they shift some units. Since they've essentially handed over a finished product, and have thus avoided all the debt-inducing exercises that a lot of bands seem to indulge in when scoring major record deals (eg. expensive recording sessions with highly-paid producers, and then a couple of big budget videos), everything from here in is pretty much pure profit. No doubt there will be record label expenses that will have to be recouped before the royalties start flowing in the D4 coffers, but I imagine they stand a pretty good chance of seeing some actual cash when the albums starts to pick up some sales.

Again, don't quote me on that.

cool, I hope that you're right noizyboy, it would be nice if they could make some real cash off there record. I know that its about the music and that such things as money are evil and thats not the goal, but really once the musics 'gone' (not paying the bills) its back to the work force and music becomes that hobby/pasion you have in the basement/garage/bedroom/deck and so on. Whats wrong with trying to make some bucks out of pleasure or at least a bit of a nest egg. One small break on an international level could set you for life in new zealand, depending on how wise you are with the money I guess :)

I guess if I ever get famous I will be one of those 'artists' who 'sells out' to the 'man' and the 'big bucks'... but really how many bands and artists can claim that they don't want there works aclaimed and to be able to live off it while they're at it... probably boils down to a fair amount of luck in hte end though

so delving into the unfamiliar world of maths...

4 million kiwis / 5000 units to go gold = 1 in every 800 people needs to have bought the album.

300 million yanks / 500,000 units = 1 in every 600

60 million poms / 100,000 = 1 in every 600

...so, it's actually (ahem) *harder* to go gold or platinum here than in the UK or USA.

but are "we" in NZ more likely to buy CD's its seems to me that NZ seems to be a rather easy target for overseas CDs i always see people saying they like NZ cause it was one of the 1st places they got a gold CD... and if what noizy said is true then per person we must buy more CDs???

i don't know, but thats what it seems to me

Actually - all of you are right ... in a way ....
5,000 = Gold Single
10,000 = Plantinum Single

7,500 = Gold album
15,000 = Platinum Album

The different scale is mean't to reflect the fact the singles market is substantially smaller than the album market ....

caff! long time no see.

thanks for clearing that up. so my revised maths is...

4 million kiwis / 7500 units = 1 in 533.

That's a bit better. And it is harder.

well i'm glad i'm not completely stupid.

fuck i hate how i miss out whole chunks of what i want to type. i should learn to stay off the forums after 10 hrs of working a graveyard