really where about's?

Michael Jackson was only 5

Please Michael Jackson kicked everyones ass in the 80's. He is still a pretty good musician... Janets Ok too, but both are fucked in the head.

grimmybug

Prozaco don't encourage him!

grimmybug

Prozaco

i think the whole repetition thing might be a brainwashing tactic.

Prozaco

Oikos is a recording studio on Willis St... sounds like they have quite good rates. Does anyone have any idea of the quality of the equipment they are using?

Oikos... you should be able to tell me, right?

When they changed the drinking law to 18, no one under aged was allowed in to the bar, unless with a parent/ guardian.

Before, when it was 20, any aged performers could play unsupervised but the still couldn't drink.

Yeah me too, but usually they would have a member of the band older than 18.

Playing at schools is not worth it unless you are known throughout the country.
e.g. Stereogramm.

School gigs suck arse unless done properly, but even then no one will turn up.

A lot of bands don’t play all aged gigs because of several factors.

1) A great deal of "all aged venues" is Christian.
No disrespect for JC but a lot of his minions are killjoys (not all of them) and won’t let anyone drink or smoke/have sex in the toilets (another story.)

2) Kids wont turn up to a band that they haven’t heard on commercial radio.

3) It cost a lot to use a bar as an “all aged” venue.

4) The PA suck! And the sound guys can GO FUCK THEMSELVES!!!!!! err sorry.

5) It sucks being somewhere were you can’t drink or smoke, as a under aged punter and 18+ band member/friend of. (This is kinda the 1st point except not Christian)

6) I can’t think of more now maybe other people can or I will later.

Under 20? You’re a kid!

//2) Kids wont turn up to a band that they haven’t heard on commercial radio.
//okay, that is bullshit!.

hmmm right! I’ve been to a lot of “under aged” gigs in my time, including recently and they won’t turn up if it’s in a venue! And less come if it cost!

Things done for free in parks, town squares etc they turn up to…if the weather’s good.

//the problem is advertising - a lot more people would go to gigs if the promo for the gig was done heaps better.

Maybe so but it gets to a point where it’s just not financially viable for the band/promoter.

For R18 gigs posters are all that’s necessary and if you really wana splash out radio ads during the week of the gig.

jenni you seriously overestimate the msuic tastes of wellington youth

most of the *young people* i know don't know who betchadupa are
they wouldn't care to see the datsuns live, nor TLBT for $5
jenni, they care more for their clothes and looking cool
bands at zeal to them are "shit" cause they're college bands
1QA are shit cause they were at college once recently
NZ music sucks, because its NZ music and NZ can't produce good bands
the only good band in new zealand is some obscure punk band no one has heard of or the black seeds
when the *youth* go to a gig where they don't know the band e.g. ejector at pacifier
they go up to the front and watch them.
they need to hear the band regulaly on *cool* radio stations like channel Z before they'll EVEN think of goin to the gig...

this is the reality for all-ages shows in wellington, for more ferfrence to this see my article posted somewhere about my veiws on bands in the square, pay attention to my rant on the lack of any crowd support...

haha.

// jj-you've just discribed YOUR own self

not at all...jj is prob one of the most supportive dudes around....ALWAYS willing to go and get jiggy for a band regardless if anyone else is.

Pied Piper is right..ALL ages gigs are pointless unless you advertise HARDCORE and your bands are HUGE on the radio....

fact
D4, Betchadupa and Pan Am.. advertised extensively on radio/posters.
AA show-about 40 people. R18 show- sold out

come on jenni....how many AA gigs have you been too, you know nobody goes! remember those free shows at shed 11 last year!! maybe 5 people at each show including you and your mates.
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What gigs do work is a bunch of bands from various schools getting together and putting on a show at one of the school halls.....all the girls go cause they've got crushes on the bands...all the boys go cause they have crushes on the girls who have crushes on the bands.

I went to some shitty metal bands unite gig last year for some $5 thing at a school hall...there must have been 300 kids there. Yet the same week a wicked AA show in town there were probably 20 kids at.

how did i know you were going to come in here and say something about this ian?

//not at all...jj is prob one of the most supportive dudes around....ALWAYS willing to go and get jiggy for a band regardless if anyone else is.

for sure, i'd agree with that - but thats not what i was getting at ian.....i was talking more about his associations rather than his level of support [for tlbt].

//remember those free shows at shed 11 last year!! maybe 5 people at each show including you and your mates.

hardly an appropriate example, there was like NO promo for those gigs at all, i think i heard ONE ad on zm, and i only saw flyers on the day. besides - it was actually about 7 people....can't forget the grannies

//kids there
//20 kids

grrrrrrr

i am not denying the fact that all ages gigs don't get that many punters......all i'm saying is that people are interested in these gigs, the only reason people don't go is because they don't know about them, the knowledge is not out there...you need to get to the source of the problem rather than just accepting the fact that no one goes to these gigs and moving on......bands need to do something about it....

//What gigs do work is a bunch of bands from various schools getting together and putting on a show at one of the school halls.....

yes, punkin pie, last year....very goood. that is why i congratualte schmash for getting out there and saying "hey lets give it a go".....

// hardly an appropriate example

thats why i gave the other example of the D4 gig.

How about.
Canvas, Pan Am and Ejector.
A full colour poster at EVERY college in Wellington. Full colour posters all over town. HUGE channel Z radio campaign/sponsorship....like $600 value radio ads. TV!! advertsing on juice who ran a 15 second TV ad MANY times.
We went absolutely hard and pulled out all the stops, press wise etc, etc...Pan Am had even had 2 radio hits at that stage....and we only had like 40 kids come along.
WE broke our backs organising that gig, and it bascially put me off AA gigs for a very long time.

We put on an R18 show the same bands the next night...Went OFF!!

The only AA gigs that ever go off are gigs at schools.

Ian, i am 19. i guess you're in your mid 20's. maybe you have forgotten what it is like to be starved of seeing good music. Who cares if you didn't get 300 people. You might have changed 40 kids lives. you didn't need the FULL COLOUR posters. you didn't need the Tv and Radio ads. Word of mouth works best.
It is dodgy promoters like you who fuck the kids because they think they cant make money off them. well if you put on more than a hand full of shows and cut the bullshit. More kids might have turned up.

People under 18 should not be descriminated against just because you sir cant line your pockets with their pocket money.

jenni you are fucking cool.

Or maybe the kids just have excellent taste.

aha andrew. i was waiting for you.

// maybe you have forgotten what it is like to be starved of seeing good music.

like other under 18s. i went through the same pain. back in my day (mmm) rock was bigger, so there were alot more shows, however major promoters have stopped bringing alot of acts to wellington because they loose money.

// you didn't need the FULL COLOUR posters. you didn't need the Tv and Radio ads. Word of mouth works best.

I know that........that is why i am saying, gigs organised by kids at schools go oFF!! outside shows suck.
I was disputing jenni saying that no-opne ever promoted these shows so kids didn't know about them.

// People under 18 should not be descriminated against just because you sir cant line your pockets with their pocket money.

I have NEVER EVER made any money off a show...R18 or AA...I have lost thousands...so don't accuse me off this bullshit. If you thought i was in it for the money, do you think i would do what i do??

Andrew, You have been talking and talking about putting on some AA shows...so why don't you fuckin do it! STop whining and hassleing me and go and do it...you obviously know how its done. I've learnt my lesson the harsh way.

I am actually in the process of orgainisng a large series of AA shows for the end of May, so stop slagging me off and you go do the same.

woah...easy girl.

maybe if you hadn't of stolen that poster from your school..others would have known about it:)

and don't you just prove a point...I can spend $600 on advertsing...and still nobody knows about it.

that's (oh the shame) not (oh the smame) :)

did you advertise in school newsletters?

... but then again, who reads those.

//When i was in school i used to go to a rave a week.

Dont lie Ian. The only 'rave's' you went to were 'debating team raves', once a year, where you stood around and argued wheather or not the country should be MMP or FPP

how did you know?

rave a week...haha, oh boy i could show you some photos. Me with my dreads in my fav rave t-shirt. maybe not one a week...but often.

Raves ruled back then in the early 90s anyway. no yuppies at studio nine. Just a bunch of teenagers at some underground dodgy secret location dancing in the light of 1 parcan, to a dj with a couple of speakers (keeping it real:O). you occasionally had all the big dance parties like "eclipse" and "eden" and shit like that, but most raves were spur of the moment.

I was never big into the culture, just went along for a year or so cause there was nothing else to do.

LOL!

I reckon that would have been great fun. You love those white pants dont you Ian

Its funny how the dance scene and rock scene work together.
When ROck is high dance is the cool underground thing then when Dance is up there, Rock is the cool underground thing. (generalisation)