The biggest mistake thats been made is this didn't happen many years ago, when his nuclear program was far more open business, he had attacked two seperate nations in order to obtain land/power wealth, attempted to eradicate kurdish populations and tested chemical weapons on villages. Oh not to mention the attack on Israely civilians with 35 scud missiles.

Whether one believes that it the wests fault so many people die in Iraq or Saddams, it is becasue of Saddams position it happens. From Saddams life style it is easy to see who is the true greedy power monger.

***on topic, more anti war America music will be made, musicians will make fools of them selves by protesting the war and making hugely ignorant coments.

The protesters anger me too, not the ones that have a calculated stance that they believe, but those that go war is bad, protest war... they just don't realise how bad Saddam has been for that country.

They're also the same people that get angry with American puppet government of the Cold war, and think America should fix it... well here goes America.

// more Iraqis will die if Saddam remains in power. //

while i agree with you in principal soldierboy you have got to consider the cost-benefit analysis of this war, the benefit of this war will see iraq removed of a dickwad like Saddam but there are more costs to this war than first realised. I Can see nukes landing on DC, NYC and LA and possibly Chicago and Miami over the next 10 days, New Zealand becomes the center of a terrorist attack, The nation of Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth and the United Kingdom suffers indescribable miseries by Iraq (lets hope im wrong or was over-exagerating on all of these) petrol prices will skyrocket and car free days may have to be reintroduced, but over-all expect to see hundreds, maybe thousands of Americans. Pommys and Aussies returning home from this war in body bags, im sure this will signal the end of Mr. Howards term in Office as Aust. PM

I fully agree with you Prozaco, its even worse now, can't get away from it

don't need to defend your self, this is a big topic and its going to appare many times on htese boards over the next few weeks.

But it will have an effect in someway, depends how long the war goes for and how well or badly it goes, i think the mood of some music will change... commercial level, sales may drop as people by gas masks?

oh, and in answer to your question, i think it will effect everything.

sad thing is most of the people that can see the bad things that will happen in the future are not in a place where they can do anything about it.

just because youre paranoid doesnt mean there not after you!

//'Everything happens for a reason'

thats a fred durst quote:P

You could meditate everyday so that you are at least content within yourself, after all looking after yourself first is all that matters

that is a very intense way to think whitepony...but i rather like it! as you say i think we just have to stay positive and cross our fingers and say that it WILL all be over very shortly and there WILL be very few casulties. today may be horriblr but tomorrow will be great.

there could be a few reasons for this.

One there is to be no major reports on the war untill after it has started, this is where Bush will have the opertunity to address his nation as well as the world.

Two, it may give away information on what could be going on, say if they spot troop movements or something?

It kind of already has started, these been 17 deserters already, 17 Iraqi soldiers have been reported as surrendered. They're been treated as deserters and not prisoners of war. Theres also been some bombing so its under way.

I heard a less than fluffy story on the radio though, about 10 minutes ago a free lance photographer spoke about the work he did in kurdish iraq after Saddams chemical attack. He visited a village where 500 people lived, every single one of them was dead, every animal and bug was dead, he said the horror in the eyes of the victims will be with him forever. A co worker of his went to a town where 8500 people lived, of which 7500 were dead. So why do poeple say poor old Saddam or stand up for him?

**some plane

probably bush off to make an anouncement, and didn't fly air force one or somehting

yeh i just saw it on BBC they said it was a DC-3 out of cuba.

bleh most of the NZ news is so boring, it makes me want to doze