just read about this dynamic duo whining, opps, winning an award for best song of the year last year.Mysty frequencies. an amazing turn of events in my mind considering it was a stink song with no noticable hooks, lyrics as shallow as the puddle of piss just to the right of my toilet bowl and to top it of a video that makes tron look like a masterpiece of the new millenium. how? how? how? do we not have anything to beat this in nz? we are fucked, royally, lets join with the iraqis and surrender now ok. "in accordance with resoloution 69 of the UN, New Zealand music hereby surrenders all recorded material and musical equipment to be destroyed by UN observers". the sad thing is, I cant think of a suitable replacement, "moon n june" should be a contender on account of its points of difference. none of that welly pot smoking, E dropping rasta shit. similarly, none of that auckland12 year old, i'm far too angry to write something cohesive shite either, "step up step up", for fucking WHAT? where are the dave dobbyns of our era, where is the BLERTA, where are the tall dwarfs. NOWHERE, and I'll tell you why..... because every bugger is trying to write a million dollar pop tune about fuck all to make their adolescent egos and bank balances equal their shitty mtv inspired fantasies. nz music, is a fart under the blankets that stinks more every time you pop your head under for a snift.
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ha! it was a bit of an odd choice. ...
ha! it was a bit of an odd choice. Godfrey admitted in an interview somewhere that the tune evolved from a jam he used to play before Che came on stage -- one day the man wandered out spouting said 'lyrics as shallow as the puddle of piss', and the 'song' was born. Not too much in the way of songwriting angst going on there...
I think last year's Scroll awards were trying a bit too hard to win over the Hip-Hop crowd, who'd been fairly vocal in their criticism towards NZ music industry awards with regards to their low level of representation. 3 outta 5 nominees being from that one genre is perhaps pushing it a bit.
// where are the dave dobbyns of our era
// where are the tall dwarfs
well, there's Dave, for a start, and the tall dwarfs. Acts that have come along more recently are the likes of Damien Binder, who writes a good song, as does Jeremy Taylor (Cinematic), Andrew Spittle (Dating Godot), Demarnia Lloyd (Cloudboy), Andrew Thorne (Splitter), the Pluto guys and Goodshirt also have their moments, and you yourself pick the Brunettes as 'contenders'.
The problem is, as is so often the way here and internationally, is that the wee indie guys doing the 'quality' work are overlooked come awards time, as the labels with the big pockets are the ones who can afford to market an act enough to get it into a winning position. There's no point getting upset about industry-sponsored awards ceremonies -- hell, you may as well get angry at the Academy Awards for overlooking Rain at last year's Oscars.
// nz music, is a fart under the blankets that stinks more
// every time you pop your head under for a snift
man, change the sheets and your nz music diet. your farts will come up smelling roses if you're digesting a regular quantity of the acts I mentioned above.
Like, whatever, apart from goodshirt i ...
Like, whatever, apart from goodshirt i have never set ears on any of those other bands, as for that binder guy, second child was a suckful pile of suck and he should quit with his greg johnson impersonation whilst he is ahead.
//The problem is, as is so often the way here and internationally, is that the wee indie guys doing the 'quality' work are overlooked come awards time
"Wee" isnt a word...
// i have never set ears on any of ...
// i have never set ears on any of those other bands
well, give 'em a go, you might like some of it.
// he should quit with his greg johnson impersonation
ahaha. yes.
// "Wee" isnt a word...
are you saying you don't know what "wee" means?
// i have never set ears on any of ...
// i have never set ears on any of those other bands
get out more... but if you've decided to hate local music then forget it.. go back to bed
wee
adj. we·er, we·est
Very small; tiny. See Synonyms at small.
Very early: the wee hours of the morning.
[ http://www.dictionary.com ]
WEE: Piss as in, the kind of music you ...
WEE: Piss
as in, the kind of music you are trying to push on me....
The Commercial/and those striving for to attain it, music in NZ is pox ridden slime, I fucking hate it all, shuddup and let me rant. Sam and noisey, you spout on but your ignorance shines on thru anyway. Tama Lundon made good music, however I never see you spouting on about HIM. You only ever cite the band which you deem "Cool" and only ever talk about things in which you place "Status". Fuck up for a minute and listen to the REAL underground you dicks. "Sky Blue Electro", "St. Lucy" "PDF" and "Scooter" have been making music longer than you and your freinds and the industry continues to ignore them. THIS IS THE CRIME HERE! Not the wanky rantings of an idiot. (YOU, not me)
Christ, calm down man. I like St Lucy & ...
Christ, calm down man. I like St Lucy & Scooter, I didn't mention them in my list as I don't tend to list *every* act I like every time I suggest a few new acts to bands. Haven't heard of PDF or Sky Blue Electro -- flick me a link.
And you say you haven't heard of any of the acts I'm "pushing" on you, but have already decided you "hate it". And, Demarnia and Dating Godot, at least, are two of the least commercially orientated acts you'd find in NZ.
// Fuck up for a minute and listen to the REAL underground you dicks.
Just which REAL underground would that be? The free-noise scene? darkwave? hardcore punk?
typo: ...I suggest a few new acts for ...
typo: ...I suggest a few new acts for someone to listen to.
Isnt Dementia Lloyd the sister of thet ...
Isnt Dementia Lloyd the sister of thet cross eyed guy from what now or whatever, dont try and confuse the issue with those closely related to c-grade celebrities. The issue is that "Misty Frequencies" was a pile of twaddle amidst another pile of twaddle assembled to prove that the NZ music industry isnt racist... which it is...
// Isnt Dementia Lloyd the sister of ...
// Isnt Dementia Lloyd the sister of thet cross eyed guy from what now
Demarnia's the sister of Jody Lloyd, who as well as his own musical projects, produced St Lucy's latest EP
// The issue is that "Misty Frequencies" was a pile of twaddle amidst
// another pile of twaddle assembled to prove that the NZ music industry
// isnt racist... which it is...
was it? and is it?
// Isnt Dementia Lloyd ahaha. ...
// Isnt Dementia Lloyd
ahaha. Hadn't noticed that first time round. Maybe it's lena o in disguise...
"Isnt" isn't a word, by the way.
HE is St. Lucy? Ah, well I digress, ...
HE is St. Lucy? Ah, well I digress, still a pile of twaddle and in answer to you questions, YES. YES. And OF COURSE, look at the ratios, check out Tokoroa or Haverdon, Maori to Pakeha ratios are heavilly balanced in favour of the indigenous and yet ARIA, APRA and RIANZ awards favour pacific and European acts over Maori any day of the week... Jody Lloyd can suck as hard as cloudboy do, it doesnt change my fucking initial point, MISTY FREQUENCIES", as an indication of our best song writing, blows the big L&P bottle....
// HE is St. Lucy? No, he produced ...
// HE is St. Lucy?
No, he produced St Lucy's Loyal? EP.
// it doesnt change my fucking initial point,
// MISTY FREQUENCIES", as an indication of our
// best song writing, blows the big L&P bottle....
And I'd like to reiterate my initial point, in which I agreed with you (although in not such colourful language).
me thinks you were the first to digress ...
me thinks you were the first to digress from the misty freq line... about three sentances into your opening rant...
so which is it? .. stop back tracking , front up... we're not trying to push any kinda music onto you fulla.. hell no, its seems you have you own strong tastes... just trying to get you to explain yourself.. i found you opening statement entertaining and insightful... but now youve just turned into a slugger.. and as you are a newbie it is my duty to inform you that you cant argue with noisyboy... he'll have you over a barrel in a flash... sheesh scary
//music in NZ is pox ridden slime, I fucking hate it all
awesome
//music in NZ is pox ridden slime, I ...
//music in NZ is pox ridden slime, I fucking hate it all
hahaha. that *was* a particularly constructive statement.
// you that you cant argue with noisyboy...
// he'll have you over a barrel in a flash
cheers samflux, but don't believe him HarryDangler. I am but the "ignornant dick" you called me out to be. my cover is blown...
jesus, I can't even spell ...
jesus, I can't even spell "ignorant".
ah, the irony...
//The Commercial/and those striving for ...
//The Commercial/and those striving for to attain it, music in NZ is pox ridden slime, I fucking hate it all
//listen to the REAL underground you dicks
Where's Andoru been lately? Haven't seen him around...
his computer is bust....
his computer is bust.
//// listen to the REAL underground you ...
//// listen to the REAL underground you dicks
// Where's Andoru been lately? Haven't seen him around...
ahahahahaha! ahh, I wish I'd thought of that.
AND, I would rate scooters' "Dayroom" ...
AND, I would rate scooters' "Dayroom" over ANYTHING Che has ever released...
I think everyone on here has missed the ...
I think everyone on here has missed the point. Let me explain it clearly. In no way. shape or form is "Misty Frequencies" representative of "THE FINEST IN NZ MUSIC". It is crappy and appeals only to kids who dont know their areholes from their pencil cases (Like noiseyboy). The NZ on Air consortium is dealing ONLY with crappy, contrived, WHITE pop music. UNLESS it deems it culturally appropriatte to include minority groups (As in, last year). And finally, dermania Lloyd and her brother both take it from a dog, as taught to them by an ignorant parenting system....
dont think anyone here is gonna ...
dont think anyone here is gonna disagree with those cleverly phrased opinions.. except maybe the last one... thats kinda strange.. you feelin ok man?
Ah, Mr. Dangler, thanks for dropping ...
Ah, Mr. Dangler, thanks for dropping in, and so very eloquently stating that things suck. Very constructive. Can I sense a tiny bit of bitterness there... I think I can safely wager that you are yourself a songwriter... striving, amongst the good the bad and the ugly of the NZ music scene, to get 'noticed'?!?!
In fact I can, I know who you are. But I digress.
Things are successful, not because of musical merit, but because of an irritating supply and demand cycle run neither by the industry nor the public, but by a messed combo of both. We eat what we are given, and hardly ever ask for what's good. It is a fickle business, you gotta play it don't ya know... It doesn't come down to morals, good songs, or shit like that (sure that helps, but...) it comes down to being in the right place at the right time, having the right sound for the right trend, and shagging ( I mean 'knowing') the right people...
oh yeah, .. so please explain why you ...
oh yeah, .. so please explain why you made these comments
//You only ever cite the band which you deem "Cool" and only ever talk about things in which you place "Status".
// "Sky Blue Electro", "St. Lucy" "PDF" and "Scooter" have been making music longer than you and your freinds and the industry continues to ignore them. THIS IS THE CRIME HERE! Not the wanky rantings of an idiot. (YOU, not me)
//Jody Lloyd can suck as hard as cloudboy do,
//music in NZ is pox ridden slime, I fucking hate it all
HarryDangler, this is a classic example ...
HarryDangler, this is a classic example of how not to start a flame war. It's like you're pretending there's an argument just so you can yell at people. Noone's disagreeing with anything except the personal attacks.
..and I love how your first post on these forums was in favour of free speech. Hahahaha!
// Let me explain it clearly. In no ...
// Let me explain it clearly. In no way. shape or form is
// "Misty Frequencies" representative of "THE FINEST IN NZ MUSIC".
Let me say again, I agreed with in my very first words...
"it was a bit of an odd choice."
...which perhaps, weren't strong enough for you to understand. Perhaps I should have said something along the lines of...
"HarryDangler, YOU ARE RIGHT! Misty Frequencies is a second-rate piece of regurgitated pig's vomit that doesn't deserve a spot in the sewers of Bombay, let alone the airwaves of New Zealand."
So, apologies for not talking on your level at an earlier level.
// It is crappy and appeals only to kids who dont know their
// areholes from their pencil cases (Like noiseyboy).
Great. Now I'm an ignorant dick 'kid'.
// The NZ on Air consortium is dealing ONLY with crappy, contrived,
// WHITE pop music. UNLESS it deems it culturally appropriatte to
// include minority groups
NZ On Air has nothing to do the silver scrolls. It's an APRA event. NZ On Air, like Creative NZ, backs a lot of Maori music to the extent of releasing a Iwi Hit Disc. And, just for examples sake, of the last 18 NZ On Air video grants handed out, a third went to Maori or Polynesian acts (Fou Nature, Nesian Mystik, Crystal Fiti Semanu, Ill Semantics, Pacific Soul, 4 Corners). If you went back through the archives, I imagine you'd fine pretty similar proportions throughout their funding history.
// And finally, dermania Lloyd and her brother both
// take it from a dog, as taught to them by an ignorant parenting system....
aha! It is lena o. I'm outta here...
//aha! It is lena o. I'm outta here... ...
//aha! It is lena o. I'm outta here...
yeah he has got the same kind of swagger,, ..
im curious noisy.. this is not the kind of discussion you usual join... why?
//aha! It is lena o. I'm outta here... ...
//aha! It is lena o. I'm outta here...
Nah, lena o makes my hair stand on end. This guy makes me laugh. I guess I can thank lena o for making other would-be trolls look tame in comparison.
//come on guys, let the spazoids be heard
hahahahaha! hahaha! So true...
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// im curious noisy.. this is not the ...
// im curious noisy.. this is not the kind of discussion you usual join... why?
Well, it seemed kinda harmless to start with...
And it was my New Years Resolution: "Must lurk less, and post more on nzmusic boards."
Well, guess what? I disagree!! Some of ...
Well, guess what? I disagree!! Some of you may be aware of my eclectic and often non-mainstream taste in music, so understand this opinion does not come from some bedazzled 'hood member... or pencil-cased arsheole (nice image dangler ... does that mean you've got a big one?)
I think Misty Frequencies is a fabulous song - it has the hallmarks and stands alongside the good stevie wonder period - 'innervisions' 'songs in the key of life' period. The song is nicely constructed and arranged, has hooks like a fishing line and features a strong vocal performance - these elements are the commonailites that win silver scroll awards - look at the past winners. I'm not sure about the poetic longevity of the lyrics but hey - sometiems songs don't need to be deep.
Who gives a flying fuck whether the song originated from a jam etc etc - that is such a bogus argument. And who cares about whether the panel were trying to appease the hip hop crowd - that sort of argument is just conspiracy wank gone astray ... and what's wrong with pop music anyhow? Understand it for what it is
Why do SO MANY people here feel obliged to proved their 'cool worthiness' and get their masturbatory jollies by dissing music they don't like. It doesn't make me think you're special cos you know about various non-popular and/or unknown music. That is not a love of music - it's using music as a specialist subject to get your dick (or equivalent) out in public. This is becoming so boring... and so school playground
Dust - can we have a private area where we can share our passion / love of music without wading through this stuff??
arrghh. I give up. All I wanted to ...
arrghh. I give up.
All I wanted to say, initially, was that I thought the Che Fu choice was a bit odd. I don't hate the song (despite my rant above, I should have wrapped that in tags), I just think there's better tracks off that album, and that the number of hip-hop nominations meant a few personal faves got omitted. Such is the nature of awards though, and I realise I shouldn't have been drawn into an argument debating 'what song is the best.' It's pointless stuff: opinion v. opinion, and where said opinions are usually cast pretty heavily in stone.
From there HarryDangler sucked me into several long rants, in which I tried to stay reasonable and balanced, and not too obscurist, I hope. Of my list of bands I suggested he try, I'd hope Pluto, Goodshirt and the Brunettes wouldn't fall into the realms of the underground. Apologies if I was trying to look too cool for the pool. It wasn't my intention.
Fuck it. I think I'll go back to lurking...
noizy, just tell the fuckin fuckers to ...
noizy, just tell the fuckin fuckers to fuck the fuck off.
I for one, am enjoying your new found expository presence.
noisy - and please be assured that ...
noisy - and please be assured that there is NO sarcasm attached to this post - none of what i said was directed at you - i find your comments to be considered and erudite as well as reasonable and balanced - it was the harry fucker that got to me.
And anyway - why would i criticise you - you like the band I'm in! ;-)
ah, sorry spilly, woke up on the wrong ...
ah, sorry spilly, woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and missed my coffee fix this morning. quite cranky as a result. got a bit wound up by all this crap yesterday: must remember to count to 10 more often.
Ah there's nothing more annoying than ...
Ah there's nothing more annoying than people finding you amusing when you are drunk and trying to make a point, eh Mr. Dangler...
Having your departing flourish deleted ...
Having your departing flourish deleted would probably come a close second...
oh, did the bouncers move in? what'd I ...
oh, did the bouncers move in? what'd I miss?
if anything....
if anything.
Yawn...
Yawn
I missed a yawn? The secret dimmer gig, ...
I missed a yawn? The secret dimmer gig, brunettes at borders, st lucy at bats, and now this. not been my week.
This discussion reminds me of one of ...
This discussion reminds me of one of the old Batman TV series episodes where one of the villiains would have disguised themself as someone else. They fool everyone at first, but eventually the villain slips up somehow (cat woman says "purrrfect", the penguin quacks), and then Robin says "holy secret identity!" and all is revealed!
Do you think perhaps its General Zod?...
Do you think perhaps its General Zod?
No, Genreal Zod is from Superman, i ...
No, Genreal Zod is from Superman, i think perhaps you mean someone like Falseface. And yes Robyn secret identity is definitely revealed, i think we all know who it is, do we?
To Harry Dangler, maybe you'd like ...
To Harry Dangler, maybe you'd like Mother Guru, they're my fave NZ rock band and they supported Dave Dobbyn in his 'My Kinda People Tour'. You should definately give them a listen if you haven't heard them yet though, they're quality listening. Check them out on Space tv on Friday 21st March
yawn, so many people talking - not many ...
yawn, so many people talking - not many people doing.
i did this real good gig in london witha few mates.
this a and r guy was there and well impressed.
so then i went and had a wee meeting.
went out after signing a 3 album licensing deal.
trillion - the next big thing, they said!
keep your ear to the track - a train might come!