You know, everyone is talking about this and everyone gives their opinions, PEACE, WAR...
NONBREED just push my WAR SYSTEM BUTTON, so I just need to talk about all this.
shall we?
You know, everyone is talking about this and everyone gives their opinions, PEACE, WAR...
NONBREED just push my WAR SYSTEM BUTTON, so I just need to talk about all this.
shall we?
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Fighting for peace is like fucking for ...
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
no its not.... once you've had war you ...
no its not.... once you've had war you can have peace again. Once you've had sex you can't have your virginity again.
War can make peace.
***this debate openned up a while ago, very long and very interesting... i actually felt that the supporters of war and those against war who had open minds actually started to see reasons behind each others arguements. Something that does not often happen.
Yeah Exactly, TELL THAT TO ...
Yeah Exactly, TELL THAT TO NONBREED.
(S)he wants to kill BUSH to get peace.
Stupid enough.
give me a break. there is no such thing ...
give me a break. there is no such thing as peace.
as long as there are people out there with differing opinions, there will be no such thing as peace. if everyone thought the same way (which we don't, as you can probably tell just by reading these forums) there would be no human advancement.
long live disagreement!
down with war!
//fighting for peace is like fucking ...
//fighting for peace is like fucking for virgintity.
thats great - can i put that on a teeshirt achillies?
you sure can Jenni but you have to give ...
you sure can Jenni but you have to give me credit for it! j/k! no go ahead :)
//give me a break. there is no such thing as peace.
but there is such a thing as finding common ground and having an open mind.
Yeah - war never solved anything. Apart ...
Yeah - war never solved anything. Apart from maybe disposing of the genocidal Nazi regime and stopping Imperialist Japan in its tracks...and ending Slavery in the USA...and liberating Afghani women from oppression under the Taliban.
Nope, war if of no use - not even in defence. SARCASM OFF.
Get real. C'mon Achilles.
I'm against war just as much as you ...
I'm against war just as much as you Soldierboy, i was actually being serious. Sorry if it sounded cynical but really it just comes down to what you and everyone else thinks about how war is useless.
//Yeah - war never solved anything. ...
//Yeah - war never solved anything. Apart from maybe disposing of the genocidal Nazi regime and stopping Imperialist Japan in its tracks...and ending Slavery in the USA...and liberating Afghani women from oppression under the Taliban.
Funnily enough, none of those wars were fought for the reasons you've listed, well except for maybe stopping the Japanese, who were merely reacting to other nations imperialist ambitions.
What they were fought for is besides ...
What they were fought for is besides the point, J. My point was is that war actually solved those problems.
In addition, J, you claim that Japan ...
In addition, J, you claim that Japan became imperialist in response to other nation's imperialistic ambitions? Which nations would those be? China, perhaps? Did the Russians ever try to take over Japan in the 1930s? Or did the big bad USA want their oil?
Enough revisionism, thank you.
Are you going one-on-one with NonBreed? ...
Are you going one-on-one with NonBreed? Or can anyone jump in here....
Anyway I hope its one of those wars where you can go to a bar and watch it on TV. I think thats an excellent place for people to come together in this time of need. Be connected with your fellow man, over a nice glass of beer.
NO, I GOT NOTHING AGAINST ...
NO, I GOT NOTHING AGAINST NONBREED, BUT HIS OR HER OPINIONS ARE TOTALLY DUMB, AND THIS TOPIC ISN'T RELATED TO A FIGHT WITH NONBREED, IT'S FOR TALK ABOUT WAR , PEACE, NICOLLO MAQUIAVELLO, HITLER, GHANDI, JESUS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
do you really want to open such a huge ...
do you really want to open such a huge can of worms?
nah, the REAL question saidinjest is: ...
nah, the REAL question saidinjest is: "are you going one on noone with nonbreed?"........i can't see nonbreed around here anywhere....
*do do do*
SycoGrandpa i dont think we have ...
SycoGrandpa i dont think we have interacted yet on these forums so whatever you have against me is based on..nothing?and calling someones opions dumb, proves youre own ignorance in not being able to accept a point of veiw that differs from youre own.
SaidInJest feel free to jump in ah :D
Why should people accept another ...
Why should people accept another person's point of view? I can understand accepting that somebody has a different point of you, but why accept a point of view you believe to be wrong?
not to accept it as right, but as a ...
not to accept it as right, but as a different point of veiw.
i think you got what i wrote wrong.
didn't we just recently have a topic ...
didn't we just recently have a topic about this?
i need to buy a flamethrower.
<b>Position on Iraq</b>...
Position on Iraq
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thanks noizy...
thanks noizy
if i had "close posts" rights...well....
if i had "close posts" rights...well.
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IT'S NOT ABOUT IRAQ AND US, ...
IT'S NOT ABOUT IRAQ AND US, IT'S ABOUT THE SENCE OF WAR.
Well Iraq is in a pretty crap state ...
Well Iraq is in a pretty crap state with so many sanctions on it, mainly becasue of 'Uncle' Saddam, hehe. With the excile or assasination of saddam and sons &co a new government can be elected, with the help of western and gulf state intervention to assist the move. This will result in most if not all sanctions to be lifted, allowing Iraq to grow economically and allow for many more freedoms to the people of Iraq, if you're into freedom that is; I know I am.
Theres one aspect, for this to happen one of two things must take place.
1. Saddam and co willingly goes into excile and allows a new government to be formed.
2. Saddam and co are blown out of there.
okay so they are UN sanctions, but they ...
okay so they are UN sanctions, but they are imposed becasue of saddam
// with the help of western and gulf ...
// with the help of western and gulf state intervention to assist the move
but who are you to try and dictate the lives of others, even if you do think you know whats best for them?
"""but who are you to try and dictate ...
"""but who are you to try and dictate the lives of others, even if you do think you know whats best for them?"""
I'm nobody, I have no choice what happens to these people, but to have a democratic government and a strip down of sanctions can only help Iraqi people, that cannot be denied. Its just that its not going to happen with out western and gulf states helping establish the new government. Its just a point, not an opinion.
i meant "you" more in the general ...
i meant "you" more in the general sense. who is anyone to decide whats right and wrong for anyone else? i think metallica summed it up well in for whom the bell tolls: "on they fight, for they are right, yes, by who's to say?"
woohoo i quoted metallica!
nah i'd go with - "Concrete shoes, ...
nah i'd go with - "Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT Done Dirt CheapNeckties, contracts, high voltage Done Dirt Cheap"
I was just been wanky by taking the ...
I was just been wanky by taking the 'you' as in 'me'...
but i knew what you were getting at, so my point is still standing. :)
heres my quote for what i think the ...
heres my quote for what i think the outcome of this war will be :-P
"The fakes retreat
Nations admit defeat
The territory tourtured soared in killing and deciet"
more war related lyrics : "Stop ...
more war related lyrics :
"Stop talking, negotiating...
Your feeble attempts towards world peace, give me a fucking break.
Need world-wide genocide, planetary suicide!
And when the whole damn world is dead, there's your fucking peace!
All over with... fuck all the flags, the greed, the world leaders.
Run for the fence. We're coming, we're killing, we're changing the faces.
Believe in yourself! Let go of ego, strengthen within yourself.
All over with! We're coming, we're killing, we're changing the faces."
from the end of all things to come :D
i'm actually quite sick of this whole ...
i'm actually quite sick of this whole war/peace thing, sure i don't want a war. but do i REALLY have to do something about it? i mean, i've had soooo many people with clipboards come up to me in the street over the past month trying to make me sign petitions its just not funny.
walking through parliment grounds today past all those folks banging pots and shouting out "go home john howard" actually made me laugh -=> no joking, i couldn't help but crack up as i walked past, i mean - honestly, like he's really going to change his stance and go home just coz some people were banging pots.
basically - until i have guns aimed at me from outside my front gate i don't really want this war shoved in my face like it has been. why should i have to put up with something that i've got nothing at all to do with.
"""i've had soooo many people with ...
"""i've had soooo many people with clipboards come up to me in the street over the past month trying to make me sign petitions its just not funny."""
I'm pretty sure i'd either tell them i support the war, or say that i'm not against it enough to sign it.
"""walking through parliment grounds today past all those folks banging pots and shouting out "go home john howard" actually made me laugh -=> no joking, i couldn't help but crack up as i walked past, i mean - honestly, like he's really going to change his stance and go home just coz some people were banging pots."""
the things thats more stupid is that hes here to talk trade, thats the focus.. more stupid than that is the aussie school kids protesting, they just wanted a day off school. See them on the news, they don't even know what they're talking about, I just laughed, snickered.
//I'm pretty sure i'd either tell ...
//I'm pretty sure i'd either tell them i support the war, or say that i'm not against it enough to sign it.
thats what i do, alllll the time. thats my point.
//hes here to talk trade, thats the focus..
yet, they cordened off the hotel he was staying in and had sniffer dogs check the hotel out simply because of the "security threat".....psh, my road, my soil, was blocked off because the aussie prime minister was being pedantic.....surely it's my right as a nzder to be able to walk down the road without being told by the police to "go the other way around" because of an ozzie?
//the aussie school kids protesting, they just wanted a day off school.
if i want a day off school, i'll just take one. psh, a protest isnt an excuse for a day off school. a sleep in is.
//they don't even know what they're talking about
does anyone really know what they are talking about?
i am such a bitter person on this website.
what you're not in real life? haha, ...
what you're not in real life? haha, no, jokes :)
yeah, i was quoting in agreement...
i am truely, really, honestly a box of ...
i am truely, really, honestly a box of fluffy ducks in person chronickiwi......
[ba ha ha, no one who knows me say ANYTHING]
OK, SO YOU GUYS ARE PURE ...
OK, SO YOU GUYS ARE PURE INTELLIGENCE, THE LEADERS OF TOMORROW!!!
FACE IT, YOUR GENERATION IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE A FUCKING THING.
I'M 87 YEAR OLD, I'M A FUCKING GRANDFATHER, AND I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE EVENTS ON THE FUTURE. BUT, HEY, YOU GUYS RULE THE WORLD, YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE SO PREPARED, TALKING ABOUT MUSIC AT NZMUSIC.COM , SO DAMN CONSTRUCTIVE. GO AHEAD AND SMOKE POT YOU FRIGGING IDIOTS, WHILE LITTLE CHILDREN IN IRAQ DIE!!! BUT IT'S OK. CAUSE MUMMY AND DADDY BRINGS TO YOU YOUR FUCKING BREAKFAST EVERYDAY!!!! DON'T MAKE LAUGH, MY ARTIFICIAL DENTAL PLAQUE WILL FALL!!!! COME ON LET'S DESTROY THE FUCKING WORLD, I MEAN, WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!!
YOUNG PEOPLE SUCK!!!! AND I'M SAD ABOUT THAT, CAUSE MY GENERATION DIDN'T CHANGE A THING AND YOU WERE SUPOSED TO CHANGE THINGS FOR GOOD, BUT...
WHAT THE HELL, AS LONG AS YOUR WORM BED WAITS TO YOU AT NIGHT.
NOTHING REALLY MATTERS. I'M ABOUT TO DIE. MY HEART IT'S NOT WORKING.
FUCK YOU ALL!!!! I'M A MISERABLE VETERAN.
whatever...
whatever
cool. old people swear. I'm gonna ...
cool. old people swear.
I'm gonna go say FUCKIN A IN CAPS to my nana.
Of course you're miserable... You're ...
Of course you're miserable... You're 87. What you do is go get some vaigra and raise that flag that you fought so hard for.
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// AS LONG AS YOUR WORM BED what ...
// AS LONG AS YOUR WORM BED
what exactly is a worm bed?:S
gee, do you think he was kidding about ...
gee, do you think he was kidding about being 87
Think so
lame kid
yes, ok, whatever.........well im bill ...
yes, ok, whatever.........well im bill english.
Am I the only one who gets bored of ...
Am I the only one who gets bored of this subject??
My dad keeps on going on & on about the war & gets annoyed when I'm not paying attention to him.
He's like you might have to go to war!! Yeah whatever, I would die if I went to war, I would rather get thrown in jail.
i get bored of this topic too tama. i ...
i get bored of this topic too tama.
i don't even watch the news because of this. i'm so sick of hearing about it!
1 - this subject, important as it is, ...
1 - this subject, important as it is, is getting incredibly boring. Can't we keep it in the five hundred OTHER 'war on terror/Iraq' threads we already have?
2 - SychoGrandpa - sure. you're a vet, I believe you...but you're never too old to learn how to turn the fucking caps lock off!
Why? Caps are 'a ok'....
Why? Caps are 'a ok'.
*slaps self on head to wake up from ...
*slaps self on head to wake up from almost falling asleep by reading thread title*
hmm i see this on tv to much as it is, and i watch hardly any tv. Second of all, we have had so much hype about this war, and it is getting ever so close. But russia and germany dont want more, americans & brits want to bomb saddam to pieces, and everything has turned to complete idiotness. At the moment they're like 5 years olds arguing in a sand bit saying "if you dont give me your lolly i'm gonna crush your sand castle".