Hi all.
This is a good point raised here.. I was thinking much the same as I was looking for some tips on who to check out in NZ music (I'll be there in a few weeks!) After scanning some topics (especially the raging posts about whether NZ Music "sucks" - ouch to all of the individuals and bands out there on the stage and to those who spend their money to support them ) there are definitely similiarities between the NZ-Canada music scene.
There is always the "maintaining our identity" issue considering our large neighbours to the immediate south, which is a waste of time. To "make it big" bands will always be on the move to the US.. and Canada is not alone on that one. For years, that has been the case. From UK bands (although that was referred to as an invasion) to the present Latin influence: destination USA.
Our country is so large and population so low that there are regional identity issues too. And we should appreciate that. From Vancouver, through the Praries, Toronto, Montreal, Halifax to St. John's, differences are evident. Good or bad, they shape what will happen tomorrow so there will be a future of the Canadian scene. The Canadian content issues raged here.. raising questions about playing crap and having to play it only because it was Canadian. No one mentioned that there was certainly enough of it played from elsewhere. Regulations that just evened out the crap distribution ratio. If it paved the way for one decent, deserving band to get a foot in the door or inspired another to play on then so be it.
Music, like everything else, has become an industry facing economies of scale and Canada simply lacks the consumer base for the big $$. So with this stated, being popular at home probably never had much appeal. Money aside, if I were a young talented musician, the national lacklustre response to homegrown bands wouldn't be terribly inspiring for me to bust my *** off going on the road, sweating it out on the stage.
A majority of what sells has certainly been able to use the adverising system to its advantage (unfortunately) and what the radio/video/on-line is offerring may not always the best live artist or the most talented. The pressure for artists to adhere to contractual obligations and manufacture a product promotes poor work.. Think assembly line tunes. In the USA at the moment it seems to be the best contrived image and not the music that is making it. I can't say that I think that this situation should be held as a model for other countries to follow. Music should have been kept as a scene and not an industry.
No matter what country you are looking at the artists and opinions of them span the spectrum. But regardless of country, culture, or personal tastes, you have to hand it to those who get up there without the corporate engine backing them and open themselves up to our criticisms and praise.
Nicely said petra72. Since moving here from Canada I've seen a lot simularities between the canadian cultural struggle and new zealand. Though I have to say, probably due to the size of the country, It was much easier to discover and join a community and movement of music appreciation here that is just simply wonderful and addictive. A model I'd like to see grow and expand outward.
Maybe because now I know what I'm looking for, but I've been noticing more of these kinds of communities elsewhere, so I can only hope that this is a trend that will continue. Leading once again to music scene that can support both fans and artists outside of the current 'music industry'
P.s feel free to email me, my gf and I are always willing to show fellow cdns round Wellington.
I just returned from spending 3 weeks in NZ... I was sad to have to return home to the States.
I enjoyed the music and club scenes (spent a few nights in bars). I wish that I had been more sober so that I could have appreciated the music. I have a song stuck in my head (melody), but I don't know the title or recall any words. All I know is that the entire bar would belt out the tune as though it was a national anthem (rock/folk). I don't know if it was an old/classic song or a recent release. The DJ in the pub played everything from AC/DC to The Weather Girls ("It's Rainning Men") to Top 40 - classic to popular music.
I have such great memories of my time in NZ and this upbeat song is a reminder of my adventures. If anyone would have a guess as to the song I'm talking about, it would be greatly appreciated.
noizyboy!!!
Thank you very much! It was "Why Does Love do this to Me?" I cannot believe that anyone would be able to figure out what the hell I was talking about. Thank you for all the links and information. You made my day!
there were plenty of clues: crowded pub, dj spinning top 40 hits, drunken behaviour, and the punters actually singing along with a local hit -- if you'd lived in NZ long enough you'd know that was screaming out "THE EXPONENTS". They're pretty much the only band that have released sing-a-long pub hits in this country over the last two decades.
I have a flatmate fresh in from the US, she's been here about 3 weeks, and I've been sort of bleeding her into nzm. She already had an aversion to Loyal and Bliss after 3 weeks (however I have since sold her on the Twist album), which I thought was surprising given how long she hasn't been here. Evidently between a few pub outings, and the America's Cup, she'd already started developing negative associations.
However, generally she's really getting into it, which is pretty cool.
i don't know anymore. missy and marilyn need no help being freakish. they might've had to all along!? not to detract from how freaky they actually sound...
The exponents have such perfectly crafted sing-a-long lyrics, that by the time you get to the second chorus, you generally know what you need to sing already.
// that by the time you get to the second chorus,
// you generally know what you need to sing already.
ahaha! indeed. which suits Jordan (singer) down to a tee, as he struggles to remember what town he's in half the time, let alone the complicated business of what verse/chorus he's up too.
they played Wild Thing at a New Years I was involved in a few years back -- if there was ever a song designed to take full advantage of Jordan in his full drunken rock star mode, that was it. mayhem personified...
You guys are impressive. Helping one helps others. Really looking forward to hearing all of the suggestions made across the boards. Especially the ones here and singing them in the pub! Probably shouldn't encourage me..
my girlfriend is canadian...
and the first thing she did was steal my trinity roots (she's wants my black seeds too), and send a king kapisi cd to her bro'. who is a die hard hip hop fan. (a golf pro too!? crazy!)
sorry canada. i'm afraid she's sold and hasn't looked back. blame nzm.
we also had some canadian women tour a show through welli-town. they walked away with a cd packed with nzmusical data. and some big smiles.
aaahh the continent. or one of them at least.
If any of you artists do get to Canada.
Do yourselves a great service before hooking up with a local indie label called Attack Records and Filmworks situated in Toronto with satellite offices in Chicago and New York run and owned by Mr Mark S Berry.
Beware......and do your research, use the web to garner extra knowledge from artists all over the world that have sadly been involved with this person and his business entities.
I would imagine you would all be familiar with the New Zealand band "Big Stick"......they have a story to tell of their own dealings with this label
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Hi all. This is a good point raised ...
Hi all.
This is a good point raised here.. I was thinking much the same as I was looking for some tips on who to check out in NZ music (I'll be there in a few weeks!) After scanning some topics (especially the raging posts about whether NZ Music "sucks" - ouch to all of the individuals and bands out there on the stage and to those who spend their money to support them ) there are definitely similiarities between the NZ-Canada music scene.
There is always the "maintaining our identity" issue considering our large neighbours to the immediate south, which is a waste of time. To "make it big" bands will always be on the move to the US.. and Canada is not alone on that one. For years, that has been the case. From UK bands (although that was referred to as an invasion) to the present Latin influence: destination USA.
Our country is so large and population so low that there are regional identity issues too. And we should appreciate that. From Vancouver, through the Praries, Toronto, Montreal, Halifax to St. John's, differences are evident. Good or bad, they shape what will happen tomorrow so there will be a future of the Canadian scene. The Canadian content issues raged here.. raising questions about playing crap and having to play it only because it was Canadian. No one mentioned that there was certainly enough of it played from elsewhere. Regulations that just evened out the crap distribution ratio. If it paved the way for one decent, deserving band to get a foot in the door or inspired another to play on then so be it.
Music, like everything else, has become an industry facing economies of scale and Canada simply lacks the consumer base for the big $$. So with this stated, being popular at home probably never had much appeal. Money aside, if I were a young talented musician, the national lacklustre response to homegrown bands wouldn't be terribly inspiring for me to bust my *** off going on the road, sweating it out on the stage.
A majority of what sells has certainly been able to use the adverising system to its advantage (unfortunately) and what the radio/video/on-line is offerring may not always the best live artist or the most talented. The pressure for artists to adhere to contractual obligations and manufacture a product promotes poor work.. Think assembly line tunes. In the USA at the moment it seems to be the best contrived image and not the music that is making it. I can't say that I think that this situation should be held as a model for other countries to follow. Music should have been kept as a scene and not an industry.
No matter what country you are looking at the artists and opinions of them span the spectrum. But regardless of country, culture, or personal tastes, you have to hand it to those who get up there without the corporate engine backing them and open themselves up to our criticisms and praise.
hear! here! Nicely said petra72. ...
hear! here!
Nicely said petra72. Since moving here from Canada I've seen a lot simularities between the canadian cultural struggle and new zealand. Though I have to say, probably due to the size of the country, It was much easier to discover and join a community and movement of music appreciation here that is just simply wonderful and addictive. A model I'd like to see grow and expand outward.
Maybe because now I know what I'm looking for, but I've been noticing more of these kinds of communities elsewhere, so I can only hope that this is a trend that will continue. Leading once again to music scene that can support both fans and artists outside of the current 'music industry'
P.s feel free to email me, my gf and I are always willing to show fellow cdns round Wellington.
I just returned from spending 3 weeks ...
I just returned from spending 3 weeks in NZ... I was sad to have to return home to the States.
I enjoyed the music and club scenes (spent a few nights in bars). I wish that I had been more sober so that I could have appreciated the music. I have a song stuck in my head (melody), but I don't know the title or recall any words. All I know is that the entire bar would belt out the tune as though it was a national anthem (rock/folk). I don't know if it was an old/classic song or a recent release. The DJ in the pub played everything from AC/DC to The Weather Girls ("It's Rainning Men") to Top 40 - classic to popular music.
I have such great memories of my time in NZ and this upbeat song is a reminder of my adventures. If anyone would have a guess as to the song I'm talking about, it would be greatly appreciated.
probably an exponents track. check ...
probably an exponents track.
check out these links, no sounds, but the lyrics might spark a memory..
i'll say goodbye (even though i'm blue)
http://contagious.co.nz/lyrics/illsay.txt
victoria
http://www.songlyrics.co.nz/lyrics/t/theexponents/victoria.htm
who loves who the most
http://exponents.tripod.com/lyrics/wholoveswhothemost.htm
whatever happened to tracey
(can't find the lyrics)
why does love do this to me?
http://www.songlyrics.co.nz/lyrics/t/theexponents/whydoes.htm
and some sound samples of most of these here...
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noizyboy!!! Thank you very much! It ...
noizyboy!!!
Thank you very much! It was "Why Does Love do this to Me?" I cannot believe that anyone would be able to figure out what the hell I was talking about. Thank you for all the links and information. You made my day!
xoxo from California!
Actually, you say 'pub' and ...
Actually, you say 'pub' and 'anthem' in the same sentence, and that's the first song kiwis will suggest.
Yeah. The other possibility would have ...
Yeah. The other possibility would have been a Dave Dobbyn track: Bliss or Loyal (and very perhaps whaling, or slice of heaven)
ahaha. brilliant. glad I could ...
ahaha. brilliant. glad I could help.
there were plenty of clues: crowded pub, dj spinning top 40 hits, drunken behaviour, and the punters actually singing along with a local hit -- if you'd lived in NZ long enough you'd know that was screaming out "THE EXPONENTS". They're pretty much the only band that have released sing-a-long pub hits in this country over the last two decades.
You should see it when they play live. Mayhem.
ahhh, good ol' synchronous ...
ahhh, good ol' synchronous postsentiment.
And I was just thinking as I posted my previous one that...
// the only band that have released sing-a-long pub
// hits in this country over the last two decades
...is wrong, and Dave Dobbyn (and his various bands) have also done a few. The exact tracks limegreen mentions, in fact.
I have a flatmate fresh in from the US, ...
I have a flatmate fresh in from the US, she's been here about 3 weeks, and I've been sort of bleeding her into nzm. She already had an aversion to Loyal and Bliss after 3 weeks (however I have since sold her on the Twist album), which I thought was surprising given how long she hasn't been here. Evidently between a few pub outings, and the America's Cup, she'd already started developing negative associations.
However, generally she's really getting into it, which is pretty cool.
a little late but noizyboy you're ...
a little late but
noizyboy you're just plain freaky
'freaky' like missy elliot? or ...
'freaky' like missy elliot?
or 'freaky' like marilyn manson?
i don't know anymore. missy and ...
i don't know anymore. missy and marilyn need no help being freakish. they might've had to all along!? not to detract from how freaky they actually sound...
i was thinking spoon-bending hoaxter uri
Thanks for the other suggestions. ...
Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll check them all out. I'm glad that I gave the right clues even though I was feeling pretty clueless.
Mayhem? I love mayhem. I hope to come back to NZ sometime soon - I'll have to check out a concert. I'll make sure I learn all the words first.
The exponents have such perfectly ...
The exponents have such perfectly crafted sing-a-long lyrics, that by the time you get to the second chorus, you generally know what you need to sing already.
// that by the time you get to the ...
// that by the time you get to the second chorus,
// you generally know what you need to sing already.
ahaha! indeed. which suits Jordan (singer) down to a tee, as he struggles to remember what town he's in half the time, let alone the complicated business of what verse/chorus he's up too.
they played Wild Thing at a New Years I was involved in a few years back -- if there was ever a song designed to take full advantage of Jordan in his full drunken rock star mode, that was it. mayhem personified...
Mmm. I saw the Exponents at the Cook on ...
Mmm. I saw the Exponents at the Cook on my 20th birthday (back in the day when 20 meant legal).
Jordan is one of the NZ's true adherents to the Rock'n'Roll lifestyle.
You guys are impressive. Helping one ...
You guys are impressive. Helping one helps others. Really looking forward to hearing all of the suggestions made across the boards. Especially the ones here and singing them in the pub! Probably shouldn't encourage me..
my girlfriend is canadian... and the ...
my girlfriend is canadian...
and the first thing she did was steal my trinity roots (she's wants my black seeds too), and send a king kapisi cd to her bro'. who is a die hard hip hop fan. (a golf pro too!? crazy!)
sorry canada. i'm afraid she's sold and hasn't looked back. blame nzm.
we also had some canadian women tour a show through welli-town. they walked away with a cd packed with nzmusical data. and some big smiles.
aaahh the continent. or one of them at least.
If any of you artists do get to ...
If any of you artists do get to Canada.
Do yourselves a great service before hooking up with a local indie label called Attack Records and Filmworks situated in Toronto with satellite offices in Chicago and New York run and owned by Mr Mark S Berry.
Beware......and do your research, use the web to garner extra knowledge from artists all over the world that have sadly been involved with this person and his business entities.
I would imagine you would all be familiar with the New Zealand band "Big Stick"......they have a story to tell of their own dealings with this label