There's a lot of variety in musicians' attitudes to what they do. I've met musicians who love making music, and want to communicate their love for music with other people; and I've met a few musicians who are working hard at it only because they want to be famous.
How much does a musician's attitude alter your opinion of their music? Would you support a band more, even if you didn't especially like their music, just because you thought they were doing it for noble reasons? Would you offer less support because a musician was arrogant?
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I guess it does. Rubicon is extra lame ...
I guess it does. Rubicon is extra lame 'cos Paul seems so arrogant. I am put off Godsmack 'cos Sully is so full of himself.
I was so excited about seeing TLBT even tho I only knew 4 of their songs, 'cos they have always seemed so nice in chat & on these forums. I am listening to electronic-y stuff (which I generally DO NOT like) for Disasteradio, I want to support him being a reallly nice guy.
Yes, my opinions on a band are affected by attitudes of the muso's offstage.
i think there is a different to when ...
i think there is a different to when someone seems arrogant to actually being arrogant. have you ever met paul?
ah wait i just read the comment below, ...
ah wait i just read the comment below, ignore this ^
// I am put off Godsmack 'cos Sully is ...
// I am put off Godsmack 'cos Sully is so full of himself.
if you think Sullys full of himself look at Creed.
godsmack are a blatant rip-off of alice ...
godsmack are a blatant rip-off of alice in chains
I never liked Creed in the first place. ...
I never liked Creed in the first place. Why do people keep bringing them up? It's an unspoken agreement that no-one here can stand them.
sorry, i retract my previous comment. i ...
sorry, i retract my previous comment. i was thinking there may be a ceed fan lurking somewhere here:S
""" if anything a band should connect ...
""" if anything a band should connect with an audience and see eye to eye on the same level."""
-i'm not sure if it was a famous person or a local musician or what that said it. But they claimed they would have never been able to perform live if they didn't go on stage telling them selves that they are better than all the other bands and all the people watching them... they would have just freaked out if they didn't...
I think it was a member of the "Who" that said it, possibly pete townsned (or whatever his last name is,,, sounds like townshed.. but i'm sure its not shed)
I've met Paul. He was pretty ...
I've met Paul.
He was pretty friendly, but it was fairly standard talk and involved me and my mate gritting our teeth while congratulating him on his show that we didn't see. Sad, I know.
But he did what I guess I would do in any sort of situation like that, if I was him (wow, overwritten sentence). Pleasantly chatted to us for a while, and then made his excuses, picked up a beer and a smoke, and stood at the back of the room nodding his head slightly to Kitsch. God Bless the musician.
However, a girl in my house has scored James Reid. According to her, he lives up to his reputation of being quite the wanker.........
jimi! nice to see you back in action, ...
jimi! nice to see you back in action, bro.
send me an e-mail (I'm lazy).
Yes... if people are nice, I'll enjoy ...
Yes... if people are nice, I'll enjoy the band more.
And No... if the band is good, I don't really care what they are like as people. I don't have to actually interact with them to enjoy their music.
// Rubicon is extra lame 'cos Paul seems so arrogant.
He might seem arrogant, but he might actually be a friendly guy in person. I'm trying to ignore the media persona of people. Take Oasis for example. The british media hate them, and make them out to be arseholes. But they are excellent to their fans.
// I am put off Godsmack 'cos Sully is so full of himself.
I am put off Godsmack 'cos they put out deriviative angsty bullshit.
just a note - I am not a Rubicon, nor ...
just a note - I am not a Rubicon, nor an Oasis fan...
// Rubicon is extra lame 'cos Paul ...
// Rubicon is extra lame 'cos Paul seems so arrogant.
in real life i've heard hes a bit introverted. I've never sensed any arrogance of him people seem to get their wires crossed.
Paul is arrogant on NZM. Just like my ...
Paul is arrogant on NZM.
Just like my opinions of TLBT & Disasteradio come from NZM. They could have been horrible people in real life. But aren't. Works the other way too.
he's even a member?? whats his sign in ...
he's even a member?? whats his sign in name/posts?
Then again i've found people to be ...
Then again i've found people to be completly different on the internet and even the phone but in person it could be a whole different thing altogether.
Don't worry, it's from the past....
Don't worry, it's from the past.
// nor an Oasis fan... i've been ...
// nor an Oasis fan...
i've been an oasis fan longer than i can even remember lol, not a big fan these days. lol its funny thinking bout that band
yes he might of seemed arrogant, but he ...
yes he might of seemed arrogant, but he was defending himself and he had to put up with more attacking him etc. but really in my opinion, hes pretty friendly.
hey i was going to start a topic ...
hey i was going to start a topic similar to this the other day - something about people supporting their friends bands and how much of that has to do with them liking the music etc.
but anyway, onto my answer: yes it matters to me what a bands attitude is like, especially towards their fans. i'd like to be able to say that its "all about the music" and not about personalities at all, but i would be lying.
if i liked a band and they were rude to me (this has happened to me a few times), i would still listen to their music but not go out of my way to support them. i might download their stuff instead of buying it (naughty!), things like that. but if a band i liked was nice to me, things would be totally different. i would go out of my way (sometimes waaaaay out of my way - like wellington) to support them.
it pays to be nice.
and i dont think this should be in the ...
and i dont think this should be in the bar
I figured if it was nzmusicky enough, ...
I figured if it was nzmusicky enough, the Powers That Be would move it for me.
heather you're so lazy! ;) hmm... i ...
heather you're so lazy! ;)
hmm... i guess it's also worth noting that no matter how nice a band is to me, i won't support them if i don't like them.
the other day someone said something to me about that i only support a certain band because they're my friends and that is absolutely not true. i also have friends in bands that i consider crap... you won't catch me shelling out any money to buy their cds or go to their gigs!
// i also have friends in bands that i ...
// i also have friends in bands that i consider crap
// you won't catch me shelling out any money to buy their cds or go to their gigs!
ah yes. that is also true for me. I was slightly misleading in my big post below when I said bands with people OR music I like -- that should really have read AND.
Must use my boolean terms correctly.
//heather you're so lazy! ;) Nah, ...
//heather you're so lazy! ;)
Nah, just I'd rather be affirmed by having a topic promoted to the New Zealand Music forum instead of thrown out into the bar. Imagine the humiliation!
//the other day someone said something to me about that i only support a certain band because they're my friends and that is absolutely not true.
Yeah, I'd like to think the same thing, but I do tend to go overboard raving about friends' bands. Even if the music isn't my thing, I think when I know them and their motives, and I can see first hand how much work they put into it, I really want to help them find an appreciative audience.
I'd definitely buy a friend's CD or go to a gig if I thought they were a in a good band and they were in it for the right reasons, even if the music didn't do that much for me. However, I do that anyway because I'd like to become a bit more knowledgeable about all the music available in NZ - not just bands that I like. I guess the difference is that I tend to proselytise a lot more about low-profile bands if I know one of the members.
That said, I most certainly wouldn't advertise a couple of musicians I've met. And yes, they play pop.
//I figured if it was nzmusicky enough, ...
//I figured if it was nzmusicky enough, the Powers That Be would move it for me.
//heather you're so lazy! ;)
rather subtle (not). looks like dust must have worked his magic.
woohoo! Affirmed!...
woohoo! Affirmed!
//Powers That Be I'm anticipating ...
//Powers That Be
I'm anticipating my attempt at satire should have a shelf life of only a few days and then might be disappeared. It prob should have only been a post ...
aaah well.
//Must use my boolean terms correctly.
We look to you for our information leadership : )
//the other day someone said something ...
//the other day someone said something to me about that i only support a certain band because they're my friends and that is absolutely not true.
Sometimes it is true though, some people are very bias towards their friends. I've got a few friends that are in bands and they are always like "Come to our gig on sunday" and stuff but sometimes i just never do. Mostly because i can't be stuffed since i don't go out much to gigs and all. I can't say i actually like most of my friends bands music either but i will support them to some extent by giving them a bit of encouragement if they deserve it. And then theres always the if you support my band i'll support yours"syndrome, but when it's one sided and you know they won't return the favor in supporting your own band that's where i'd feel discouraged to give them any sort of support. Now that is an attitude that matter's to me.
On the flipside you'd know if your friends were really your friends if they supported your band even if you made a million mistakes on stage and they still cheer you whole-heartedly even though you know your performance really sucked. I've felt first-hand this feeling and personally if anyone reached out like this to me I'd try my best to get behind them.
// We look to you for our information ...
// We look to you for our information leadership : )
cheers limegreen. I'll try not to let the standards drop again.
you can generally tell when people are ...
you can generally tell when people are only in it to be famous.
its called pop music.
and its the lowest form of musical ...
and its the lowest form of musical ability on the planet, there so manufactured you can even tell with there songs
poppy, poppy, soft and loveie etc etc
GGRRRR fuck i hate pop.
//GRRRR fuck i hate pop. So true! ...
//GRRRR fuck i hate pop.
So true! none of that shit happens in real life and it is extremely misleading to innocent teeny boppers of the world (shoot them all!)
Aren't Rubicon pop-rock?...
Aren't Rubicon pop-rock?
pop music ( shudder, cringe )...
pop music ( shudder, cringe )
i saw we kill them. you bring the cross ...
i saw we kill them. you bring the cross and petrol, ill braing the hammer and nails, we'll show the pop world a thing or two!
// Would you support a band more, even ...
// Would you support a band more, even if you didn't especially like their music...
Generally not. But, on the local front at least, I'm in a funny position (noizyland, radio active), in that I have to give a fair bit of support to bands that I often don't particularly like, just because that's the role I've set up for myself. The thing is, even if I don't like a band, it's usually pretty easy to see that a certain group of punters *will*, and that in itself warrants a bit of support: just trying to get the latter in front of the former. It's all good for the karma. If I can't see anyone at all enjoying a band's music, well, at that point I do try and fob them off.
Where I do like bands (whether it be because they're nice people, I like their music, or a combination of both, eg. the Brunettes, Range, Letterbox Lambs), I go all out (as much as I ever go all out) to help them out.
// Would you offer less support because a musician was arrogant?
Yes. Can't stand egomaniacs (who can?) Not that there's many in NZ, from my experience. Too small a place to be getting too big a head for yourself.
International bands are a slightly different kettle of fish...
// Take Oasis for example....they are excellent to their fans.
Ooo, I don't know about that. Their welly gig at Queens Wharf was virtually a by-the-book example of how to treat your fans badly. Well, Liam, at least. Turn up late, pissed out of your tree, perform abysmally, give up the ghost about half way through and ignore the crowd wholesale. Wanker. Maybe just an off night though. Haven't bought an album of theirs since though, and I was a mad Oasis fan a few years back.
On the flipside, I was a middling Pavement fan when they first turned up on these shores, and they totally converted me with their attitude. Not only did spend both the time before and after the gig hanging out in the bar chatting, they put on a great show, and gave out free apples at the door. Magic! Went on a CD buying binge after that, got all their records, and spread the word about how good they were.
// I don't have to actually interact with them to enjoy their music.
That's true, and, in cases where I haven't met the band, or seen them live, I tend to go solely on their music, rather than believing any media accounts of what they're like. As I think most people would agree, the media don't always tell it like it is, and the artists don't always portray themselves to be the people that they actually are. So, why base your attitude towards a band on a haze of half-truths?
//Their welly gig at Queens Wharf was ...
//Their welly gig at Queens Wharf was virtually a by-the-book example of how to treat your fans badly.
//media accounts of what they're like
hmmm...just thinking about bands that encourage a bad reputation because it makes them more popular. It's a fine line....Eminem's the perfect example - people like him *because* he's a wanker. That said, probably if he told some 12-year-old asking for his autograph to "piss off you snot-nosed little prick" then he'd lose himself a fan.
// That said, probably if he told some ...
// That said, probably if he told some 12-year-old asking for
// his autograph to "piss off you snot-nosed little prick" then
// he'd lose himself a fan.
And maybe throw his girlfriend in a boot, and drive them both off a bridge? ;)
// the media don't always tell it like it is...
// artists don't always portray themselves to be the people that they actually are
I think Eminem understands these points both more than many, and plays up to both. I think if you went and saw him live though, he'd be giving big ups to his audience all night long. 'Stan' was even a virtual apology to the fans he doesn't have time for, so he's obviously very aware of keeping his fanbase happy.
// ...bands that encourage a bad ...
// ...bands that encourage a bad reputation
// because it makes them more popular. It's a fine line...
I kinda suspect Oasis had this sussed early on, but then the drink and drugs took their toll, and they stopped playing the arrogant wankers for the press, and actually became the characters they'd created...
//I think Eminem understands these ...
//I think Eminem understands these points both more than many, and plays up to both.
Its just a pity that the way he raps has gone to crap now, he used to be quite innovative, now its just the same old shtick.
innovation, like everything else has ...
innovation, like everything else has its limit
//free apples Thinking of cool ...
//free apples
Thinking of cool gestures. Martin Phillips ran a quiz between songs during The Chills set the other night. Prizes included posters, vinyl, cans of funny sticky stuff, singed rarities. Was cool to be able to interact.
I've always thought it would be rad to ...
I've always thought it would be rad to have a competition to see who in the audience can pick what riff belongs to what song...
Aha! The Datsuns could get their ...
Aha! The Datsuns could get their audience tangled up for hours.
DISCLAIMER: I heart the Datsuns, amazing performers, but I do recognise the fact that all their stuff sounds the same.
Well I wasn't being rude intentionally ...
Well I wasn't being rude intentionally :-)
Maybe if mine and TJ Terror's conceptual band ever got off the ground we could do it, except we'd have to have an audience full of geeks for it to work, haha.
actually they did a pick the riff i ...
actually they did a pick the riff i think, but it was a relatively unknown chill song
I get put off some bands when I see or ...
I get put off some bands when I see or read a interview about them.
Like Pantera, I saw a interview of them on Space, they were totally wankers, acting all tough & stuff.
Also Oasis, Liam & Noel are so cocky, they think they're the greatest band ever, it just makes my laugh that they take themselves so seriously
yeah i'm like that too Tama ... i get ...
yeah i'm like that too Tama ... i get put off a band if they try to project the whole "we are th' shit!" thing, without irony ... that really gets ma goat ... but if they seem humble and do the shoegaze thing, that endears them to me and i'm prepared to like their music a bit more. which is totally hypocritical and doubla-standardy, but yeah, totally endearing to me ...
but if i don't like their music at all then nothing they do will change the way i feel ... instead i come back and check them out in a few months to see if i've changed/or they have changed.
//I get put off some bands when I see ...
//I get put off some bands when I see or read a interview about them.
Yeah, same - I quite liked Marilyn Manson's music when I first heard it, but then I saw this interview showing him as this arrogant preening git, so I didn't bother any more. One Columbine massacre and a few years later, and I've seen a couple of interviews that show he's become a lot more thoughtful. I'd definitely pay good money to see him perform again, partly because his shows are amazing, and partly because I think he's coming from the right angle now. He's still a melodramatic control-freak, but he's not pompous any more.