BLONDES: A thing of the past?

I'm not sure if anyone will agree - but people are tending to exchange the bottle blonde look for a more dark red/brown/black kinda look - in my town there are more and more dark styles coming out and bottle blondes are almost no where to be found.... has the preference changed?? (if that makes sense!!)

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i think there will always be room in a males heart for the bleach blonde with more boobs than brains.

so true!

There is always room for blondes, same as there is always room for dessert. And you know that there is always room for dessert.

umm, that's not the heart.

sorry. optimistic typo.

it's sad but its true.

//the bleach blonde with more boobs than brains.

steriotypes are so lame.

BRUNETTES, BRUNETES!

totally man. I find Brunnetes waaaay better looking (this being based purely on looks) than blondes.
waaaay better.

Im totally digging black hair at the moment

yay! thanx DJ WILL!
im prowd to be a brunette!

the same thing ws going on 10 years ago......id hate it to be 1993 all over again...third form urrrghhh!!!!!

It's probably just a change in the trends, maybe a revolt against the bleach-blonde slapper in tight pants

If the hair is a different color, but the attitude stays the same, is it really that much of a change?

bleech bl;ond slappers where never in existence 10 years ago.

Madonna?

maybe they're sick of the 'dumb blonde' tag??

I hope so! I can't stand the typical bleach blonde. But Koe is right, if the attitude stays the same...well let's just hope it doesn't.

Personally I haven't noticed a decrease, but here's hoping aye?

I've noticed recently there seems to be a bit of a swing towards dark hair, truck-drivers caps and studded belts. I'm not sure where it's comming from either, maybe because of Avril, but I'm not really up with popular culture :|

Ah yes, the good ole rock 'n roll revival styles. I keep walking past a woman who is totally groomed in this style, but who just doesn't pull it off, and I want to laugh, but I just feel sorry for her.

Well there's still the blonde pop stars in the word - Britney, Christina, Shairka etc

world not word

but are they REAL not dyed blonde?

Hah - all three are natrually brunette.

maybe it's something to do with the weather?....

to me, darker hair seems cosier in winter.

i have red hair at the moment, but i'm naturally blonde [dirty blonde] and i must say - i prefer that to the red - i don't know why. though, guys interest in me [ba ha ha ha] has risen a bit since i've had the red put through.....so i dunno.....i thinking that i may go for blonde, deep red and black streaks through my hair, thats gonna totally wack things out of place....

if you want to really wack things out of place, dye youre hair lime green with orange, purple and pink streaks, im sure youll never do this, but damn, stoned people would trip out when they saw you!

yea, nonbreed, i'm pretty sure my dad would wack a few things of mine out of place if i did THAT to my hair......he he.

it would be cool to see thou

hmm maybe because guys are having a change in attraction?

like at the moment i find dark colour haired girls/woman are more attractive than blondes and have done for a while. but maybe because they can have a darker look to them and suit darker colour clothing and can make themselves look more evil and misterious than your blondes :).

isnt the theory something like blonde haired guys like brunette girls, and brunette guys like blonde girls?

Much as I hate evolutionary explanations, organims in general prefer to reproduce with another organism which has very little genetic material in common. Hair colour could be a rough guide to a different genetic background.

However, like most evolutionary explanations, that smacks of being a terribly post-hoc argument.

*lost*

//lost

As well as being illegal, if you were to shag a close relative, there is a very high chance of deformity. Generally speaking, the less related you are to someone the better. If you consider that blondes are likely to be scandanavian or whatever, and you have dark hair from somewhere far away, you get more variation in offspring which give you a genetic advantage.

Did you know that women find attractive men smell better?

Isn't it the other way round?
That we find nice smelling mates, and that is what makes them attractive?

[begin weird science]

10 men were selected ranging from not so- to very-attractive. The men were given identical t-shirts to sleep in overnight.
The next day, a group of women were asked to smell each t-shirt and rate it; they also rated pictures of the 10 men, independently of the t-shirts.
There was a very high relation between niceness of t-shirt smelling and attractiveness of the photograph.

I think I have that right. If I'm bored later I'll check.

[end weird science]

this is supposedly related to the symetrical face = good looking theory as well.

"Believe it or not, women seem to be able to identify the symmetry of a man through scent alone. In this study, when presented with T-shirts to sniff, women near the peak fertility phase of their cycle preferred the scent of T-shirts that had been worn by symmetrical men."

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Yes, that'd be right. And the more symmetrical people are the more attractive they are. Supposedly most movie stars are very symmetrical.

Incidentally, it may not be symmetricality per se, but prototypicality. If you take line drawings of a category of things (e.g., cars, fish) and average the different ones together, the average one is nicer than the original, and the more that of the item you average together the better.

Related to my original point about brunettes and blondes, people who are more genetically dissimilar supposedly smell better as well (againg perhaps to diversity/prevent inbreeding)

<wierd science>

Damn. It was the easy option.

//If I define my argument in terms of lineage, then I think it becomes clearer... People are born into a particular lineage or racial group, which is then exposed to social influences. Thereby, lineage can be seen as causative.

Until the last bit I agree with you. You are essentially making an argument that certain environmental factors are causative. However, I disagree that "causative" has a broader sense. If you use "caustative" in your broader sense, then people who don't realise that you have redefined "causative" might think that the "lineage" is directly responsible, and in fact essential (causative) for the effect. A better word to use would be "related".

//What I'm trying to say is that ethnic groups are not based on genetic similarity.

Perhaps I didn't understand this argument, but I don't think that it matters. Genetics 100% determine membership to an ethnic group.... Certain DNA codings etc. The fact that there can be differences of Genetic makeup, overall, within that group, and overlap with other groups, is utterly irrelevant.

//That is disputable. Caffeine does have withdrawal symptoms, but it doesn't have the physical or psychological dependency of other 'drugs'.

That is true I guess... I think you are right that it gets immersed into a social routine of drinking.

//Incidentally, it may not be symmetricality per se, but prototypicality

I remember hearing about this in relation to a serendipitous experiment. Some people (don't know who, when, where or for whom) were seeing if they could determine the classic criminal look - they got a whole stack of headshots of criminals and 'averaged them out'. However, it didn't quite work as they expected cos they ended up with a really attractive guy.

// Damn. It was the easy option.

It so often is.

Having read about the symmetry thing in the past, I once did a quick photoshop of my own face and mirrored my 'better' side. And, well, it looked kinda weird. I blame perspective issues...

What gets me is that "women near the peak fertility phase of their cycle" (go on, just say it, 'horny') women can smell symmetrical guys. That. Is. Weird.

Not the study Heather was referring to, but quite interesting nonetheless...

"The Criminological Theory of Earnest A. Hooton"

some highlights...

* Arsonists are deficient in single men and typically have ash-blonde hair.
* Assault offenders have a high percentage of divorced men, of men skilled in trade labor and personal service, and have excessively olive skin color.
* The criminal ear is more likely to have a slightly rolled helix and perceptible Darwin’s point than the civilian ear.
* Dark eyes and blue eyes are deficient in criminals, while blue-gray and mixed eyes are in excess.
* Low sloping foreheads, high nasal bridges, and thin lips with compresses jaws are prevalent in criminals.

and my favourite...

* Tattooing is commoner among criminals.

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* Criminals are excessive in extractive, laborer, and personal service occupations, and deficient in trade, professional, and clerical occupations.

Wow, now there's a comment that could fuel a heated debate...

//* Tattooing is commoner among criminals.

Nobody saw me do anything. You can't prove a thing.

// deficient in trade, professional, and clerical occupations
// Wow, now there's a comment that could fuel a heated debate...

you could bold the trade as well. I think target has put paid to the 'honest tradesmen' stereotype. I, for one, make sure I'm at home when the plumbers/electricians are around the house doing a bit of work.

what I really want to see is 'target visits the white collar workplace'. this week: wily website designers...

janice: oh, what's he doing there Ian?
ian: I think he's using encoding that image as a gif.
janice: surely it should be a jpg, considering the size. won't a gif bloat the size of the page, leading to a longer download time?
ian: it certainly will. oh, and look at this! rather than using a non-breaking space in that empty table cell, he's just left in blank. that'll look nasty in any netscape browsers that use the site. Not good.
janice: oh, and now this is really unacceptable. He's alt-tabbed to a music site and is making posts on a music site. remember folks, we're paying by the hour for these services...

argh. typos [in blank], repeated words [music site and is making posts on a music site]

must be friday afternoon...

// Damn. It was the easy option.

I was actually referring to whether I could use <> or had to use > and <
heheh.

LOL @ Target.

At least it's an nzmusic website, and not barelylegalseagull.com

We were alluding to the unreliability of the interweb early in the week...

I went back to source. Our t-shirt study was done by one Claus Wedekind at the University of Bern (damn those Swiss). And it seems that he has revised his original thoughts in a more recent study.

Body odour preferences in men and women: do they aim for specific MHC combinations or simply heterozygosity?
Wedekind C, Furi S
PROCEEDINGS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF LONDON SERIES B-BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES
264 (1387): 1471-1479 OCT 22 1997

The major histocompatibility complex (MHC) is an immunologically important group [ie the bits of your DNA that make you get sick less] of genes that appears to be under natural as well as sexual selection. This could influence mate choice ... [to increase the variation in MHC in your offspring so they get sick less].
To test these hypotheses, we asked 121 men and women to score the odours of six T-shirts, worn by two women and four men. Their scorings of pleasantness correlated negatively with the degree of MHC similarity between smeller and T-shirt-wearer in men and women who were not using the contraceptive pill (but not in Pill-users). [*** using the pill tends to reverse usual preference]
Depending on the T-shirt-wearer the amount of variance in the scorings of odour pleasantness that was explained by the degree of MHC similarity R^2 varied between nearly 0 and 23%. There was no apparent effect of gender in this correlation: the highest r^2 was actually reached with one of the male odours sniffed by male smellers. Men and women who were reminded of their own mate/ex-mate when sniffing a T-shirt had significantly fewer MHC-alleles in common with this T-shirt-wearer than expected by chance. This suggests that the MHC or linked genes influence human mate choice. We found no significant effect when we tested for an influence of the MHC on odour preferences after the degree of similarity between T-shirt-wearer and smeller was statistically controlled for. This suggests that in our study populations the MHC influences body odour preferences mainly, if not exclusively, by the degree of similarity or dissimilarity. The observed preferences would increase heterozygosity in the progeny. They do not seem to aim for more specific MHC combinations.

... so now it's not just horny women.

//

fecken hell. I'm not even going to go near the original then. I do love statements like...

// "The observed preferences would increase heterozygosity in the progeny."

...though. That's poetry that is.

If you look at studies between any physical appearance and the prominance of crime, you must take into account that the studies are very biased.
The major factor which weights the findings is that the studies used a sample which did not distinguish ethnically. Obviously, most ethnics have dark hair. Because they are more "crime prone" than paakehaa or european people, the conclusion links hair colour to crime, where the correct finding would link race to crime.
Taking another step back, it is arguable whether races are driven to crime by genetics, or by socio-economics. Personally, I don't think that ethnics are criminals by genetics (although a very strong case has been made that this is the case).