yeah dude ive heard it. its basically really like kill 'em all, with a little justice complexity. they even got dave mustain in to do a guest solo on one track.

yeah man. i dont play bass so i wasnt listening much to the bass, but after i heard it someone told me that theyve had a bassist for ages and theyre gonna do a big announcement that theyve got cliff burton back on bored. so that should be wicked.

poor y

what are you smoking carl?

I'll assume you're being serious. Mustaine fucked up his arm in 2001 and will probably never play guitar again.

Well i love deftones... so no problem there...

mind you if you got to see all those bands on one ticket you couldn't really complain... linkin park and limp bizkit may not be my cup of tea, but they might be okay live, probably worth a look.

i used to like limp bizkit back in my 13 year old days, and at bdo 2001 ( i wasnt into limp really anymore). but all i can say is they put on a good show, and fred knows how psyk the crowd up.

// Lars probably organised it.

i agree there, he'd be the most likely to out of himself, james and kirk.

Yes we do.

We should have a sweepstake - I think it's either going to be Mike Inez or the producer guy whose name I can't remember.

Yeah I heard this rumor a while ago
I notice that they haven't mentioned Auckland, but if they do come I'll try my best to come up

Things normally get worse when you try to recreate yourself by trying to be a version of your former style/selves. Metallica hasn't been heavy ever since Cliff Burton died. Maybe Metallica can prove us wrong or maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see.

you think the black album isn't heavy? sure there is nothing else matters and unforgiven but that album is heavy as shit.....much heavier than justice...all tinny and scratchy..

heavier than Justice?? haha yeah right

Justice For All was a good album from what i've heard but in "heavy" terms as in metal, speed metal, thrash whatever, everything post-Cliff Burton were departures from that. Especially the Black album. Justice was definitely one of their best in my opinion.

//(i like atomic kitten).

PUKE!!

carl is exactly right.thrashing and fast isn't heavy. the riffs on the black album are heavier than pretty much all their other riffs. load and reload don't count because they suck. the black heavy is heavy there are songs that aint so heavy like sandman, nothing else etc etc but sad but true is probably their heaviest riff.

Yeah Metallica is just pretty much mainstream rock after Black. black kinda forshadowed their new direction.

//I think you can apply that to metal in general. I'm always hearing about these "metal" bands from the 70's and 80's that were mean but now their songs sound so wussy.

i think so too...but i can find two excpetions. ministry and bad brains.

theres a big difference between heavy and playing fast. sad but trues guitar sounds are heavier than blackened...motorbreath is my favourite song but ride the lightning is my favourite album and i think jstice has quite possibly the shittiest production ever...... question...tell me what other bands you consider heavy?

To me something 'heavy' is the whole package... the way its played, the lyrics, the feeling in the way its sang, its how it comes across.... people I consider heavy? Max Cavalera, Corey Taylor, Jon Davis, I know what you mean by 'playing fast vs heavy' and I still disagree with you..

And I don't think you get that from bands that are labelled 'heavier' like death/black metal bands, I don't consider these bands 'heavier' than sepultura. To me most of there songs are like cheesey 80's horror movies - murder violence chopping up people etc ... like Cannibal Corpse..'force fed broken glass, fucked with a knife' etc etc its humourous its that far fetched... a tiny percentage of the population actually does that stuff..

I guess a little bit of it depends on what the listener gets out of it/interpretation, but 95% of the time there is no mistaking that feeling put across when a truely awesome artist/band is expressing something true and pure! damn I love music ;)