i would like to step up to the podium...
eminem made his mark by dissing other wack artists. why? because there was a billion people 'just like me' who thinks like him and acts like him.
so too is there a heap load of NZers who think the artists St Lucy mentioned are crap too!
why?
cos they are mass marketed tripe brought to us by business label guys with lots of money, who think they can make lots more money out of it!
Actually, music on the radio and charts will only ever be good when the corporate industries stop thinking in profits, just like all other industries that milk the earth for all it has.
if you have been reading any of St Lucy's earlier postings, he definately holds no punches. these disses arent because he won a little competition. actually, most well balanced musicians are of the opinion that music isnt a competition...
It's the Music Industry that makes it a competition. check out NZ on Air. bands have to submit something that sounds like something else on the radio, or they get no help in the form of grants.
And thats the reason why they write that one or two songs that sounds like radio hits. cos they want the funding.
They are trying to play the game so they get paid and hit the big time! THAT IS NOT ART!
the airwaves are being taken over by the copycats. the followrers! when the airwaves should be a place for the leaders. the artists! not text book, paint by numbers hit machines! FUCK THAT!
for too long NZ has been a place where everyone has been too scared to say what they think, in fear of not getting funding, or not getting on the radio, or not getting in a magazine. FUCK THAT!
St Lucy is the first person in a spot light to actually stand up and say what everyone else thinks. He's not going to sell any less cd's because of it, why? cos he is only going to sell cd's to people who like his music. NOT to people who are conned into it - (like everthing on Mai Fm) by major labels who suck on the radio stations cocks for all it's worth - like there's no tomorrow.
thus, this is all you hear, if you choose to listen to the radio! YOU ARE BEING CONNED!
So.... I would like to take an opportunity to have a bitch:
I have made 2 albums, mostly all by myself. paid for all by myself. (quite a hard task having been on the dole for 12 years) One is called Fresh Jams. I have sold about 300 copies of Fresh Jams, The second one 'At A Lucid End' is yet to be released.
I have applied for video grant funding to NZ on Air maybe 12 times for different tracks of these albums. And just like many of you, I too have been turned down. Now what FUCKS ME OFF is that all these things being put out by majors (who have heaps of cash but are good at sucking the masters cocks) get all the money. When to me it is obvious that the people with no money need it!
Now you cant argue:
"it's because people dont like your music. it's not good enough"
That is BULLSHIT! why? because most my sales were to shops and cafes. public arenas!
I have had 3 tracks from 'at a lucid end' on compilations (sideways 2, and earwork 2 + 3) so someone must have liked them for them to be chosen. RDU in ChCh playlisted 3 tracks off Fresh Jams, Hugh spot plays my stuff, they all must like it!
So my frustration has led me to London, before i left I teamed up with a few like minded people. My intention since the beginning was to surround myself with talented artists, so if I ever got successful I could bring a whole lot of people with me. And they will come. St Lucy is one of those, so is Lindon Puffin. Get ready to pack your bags guys!
TRILLION


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(Should we hate James Reid and Carly ...
(Should we hate James Reid and Carly Binding because of the way their record companies promote them and conduct business?)
The NZonAir funding thing is interesting. I think the Datsuns success is making people ask a lot of questions about NZonAir funding. Why are bands signed to major record companies eligible to receive funding? Why do successful bands get thousands of dollars to record an album when (um, maybe) up-and-coming bands might be the ones who could really do with a bit of funding?
Porn aside, there's room for a lot of debate.
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On the dole for 12 years? Let me be ...
On the dole for 12 years?
Let me be the first to say GET A JOB
or get the "musicians benefit" :D...
or get the "musicians benefit" :D
Got a couple of quick ...
Got a couple of quick comments...
Firstly 'NZ on Air' is just that. The support has the major goal of getting NZ on the radio or the telley in New Zealand or overseas. Because the nature of radio and TV, most of the stuff that will get funded will be 'commercial'. That's the nature of the beast. I dont think people should be too bitter about this. This money is relatively new and was pushed by a small bunch of committed people in NZ on air. I think although it probably has allowed more NZ music dross to be sustained, it has helped many that deserved helping. It is unfortunate, because I think trillion is an excellent musician pushing NZ music in directions it wasnt headed. This is where Creative New Zealand comes in. Now, they should be supporting you - that is their brief and it makes me very angry that theyre not. In my experience, Creative New Zealand makes many people angry, though.
To Dr Beutelli I say, your words define your ignorance. Being a musician IS A JOB. Being on the dole has been a major source of sustenance for most NZ musicians. If they didnt have that money, much of the great NZ music wouldnt exist. If you trully believe what you say then you should fuck off and go and listen to Linkin Park or N-Sync. On the other hand I also think its an absolute crime that our greatest musicians have to live off the bones of their arse on the dole. How much would it cost to the NZ government to pay them a meagre wage and let them keep going without all the associated looking for a job bullshit?! I thought the Labour party promised something like this!! I've made a pledge in my life that if I end up getting rich I will start some patronage scheme for NZ musicians with my computer geeky friends.
If being a musician is a job then why ...
If being a musician is a job then why is no one paying me?
I don't see why I should be supporting some mother fucker every week with my taxes who is 'an artist' when I have to support myself and I am also 'an artist', just because they don't want to come to reality.
It seems that you are more a whiner ...
It seems that you are more a whiner than an artist (maybe there is art in whining). To claim enjoyment of nz music (ie by hanging out here) and then whine about the way that a huge part it was paid for is straight out hypocrisy.
I think you will find that the below site is better suited to your needs.
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so where are these carly binding pics u ...
so where are these carly binding pics u were on about
by tha way, good for u for finding your ...
by tha way, good for u for finding your way to england. maybe oneday u would show whoever thinks your not any good what you're capable of
I have your c.d trillion, as well as ...
I have your c.d trillion,
as well as your early stuff,
i love it.
i show it to people when i can
ive made albums too from my own pocket and soul,
making another one as we speak
never counted how many we've "sold"
but havent got many left
my complaint about new zealand is
n.z music has no idenity
the "financed music" does nothing except breed more shit bands
(does any one else find "the have" to be just a little ironic?)
and feed big business,
this leaves the other more natural music in the dark because it might actualy need to be supported for longer than a year so it can grow,
real music is a long term invesment not a quick fuck in the back room
it makes me sick to know what music and media could be created with $5000 when other more established bands use nz on air funding for catering, or worse shit music.
all up its up to the musicians to make a difference,
as we create the art in question.
i think that theres a change coming we all feel it,
and i know that i can still practise my art with out electricity
//but havent got many left I'd ...
//but havent got many left
I'd really like a copy before they all disappear. How would I aquire one?
i've got a copy and it rocks when ...
i've got a copy
and it rocks
when ever i go anywhere i take it and force it into peoples CD players
and i think ive got a good reception
i enjoy ur music and i wanna see more
recently ive been buying or recieving a lot of CDs from local NZ artists
often they are released by the artist
and because of the sheer volume
ive realised i don't need to listen to un-NZ music much
and i don't
cause theres so much variety around right now...
//when ever i go anywhere i take it and ...
//when ever i go anywhere i take it and force it into peoples CD players
That's how I hear it, what I heard I appreciated.
I saw on the general Orkid forum you were selling for $15. I live in Christchurch, what's the easiest way of buying one from here?
check the 'orkid forum, this thread ...
check the 'orkid forum,
this thread is for trillon
"the have" are just a cheap rip off d4 ...
"the have" are just a cheap rip off d4 and datsuns, a cheap and BAD rip off....i know of way better bands that entered my local rockquest but didnt go past nest round as there sound wasnt "commercial" enough
note how bands like 8 foot sativa and blindspott get no recognition from the media untill they do something to make them stand out on their own, god bless m2 and no8 bringing us NZ music as often as possible:D
de ja vu non breed come on mate drop ...
de ja vu
non breed come on mate drop the jealousy eh.
I haven't seen the have play. Nor do i want to. But your just sounding stupid.
andoru, why would i be jealous of a ...
andoru, why would i be jealous of a band who plays music i dont like?:s
and if my previous post sounded jealous, that wasnt my objective
//for too long NZ has been a place ...
//for too long NZ has been a place where everyone has been too scared to say what they think, in fear of not getting funding, or not getting on the radio, or not getting in a magazine. FUCK THAT!
hehehehehehe um yeah well i think some people have shot themselves in the foot by trying to say what they think.
eh blink
So funny man. Everyone crys out NO ...
So funny man.
Everyone crys out NO ONE IS SAYING WHAT THEY THINK.
some one does it.
Suddenly they are labelled a cunt.
Hmff. False advertising again....
Hmff. False advertising again.
trillion get me a ticket & I'll be ...
trillion get me a ticket & I'll be there synths in hand ;).. I've sold 8 copies of my album and given away another 40.. this is real big time stuff... I'll get your addy off ya sometime if you want something in the mail.. buh I was supposed to catch lucy when I was up in auck & give some more shtuff away.. bah.
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Who the HELL is Carly Binding? ...
Who the HELL is Carly Binding?
I've only ever heard of her on these forums...
I'll give you a hint... "Savin' ...
I'll give you a hint...
"Savin' all my lurve, you're my no.1 my no.1...savin' all my lurve, you're my greeeaatest luuuurrrve..."
Think orange spandex.
//Think orange spandex. ...
//Think orange spandex.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo....................... *fades into oblivion*
Good lord....
Good lord.