Is the rock revival spearheaded by The Datsuns, D4, BRMC, The Hives, The Strokes, The ... going to last and reverse the turntable-to-guitar sales ratio, or is it just a victim of greedy record companies and easily infulenced teens?
Is the rock revival spearheaded by The Datsuns, D4, BRMC, The Hives, The Strokes, The ... going to last and reverse the turntable-to-guitar sales ratio, or is it just a victim of greedy record companies and easily infulenced teens?
Rock will fully be in control when ...
Rock will fully be in control when chinese democracy comes out, mark my words people.
That is an excellent post. I think, ...
That is an excellent post. I think, that like all scenes something else will come along in a few years time and take over. The real question is that have any of the bands that you mention in you post have the staying power to still be around, and I think the answer will be YES!!
All of the above bands have already been around for a couple of years and have all worked their arses off to get where they are now, and because they have worked so hard they will have the staying power to stick around. Personally I think that some of these bands are fantastic are truly excellent songwriters and performers, all we can hope for is that the market doesn't become saturated with third rate bands trying to copy the above and make the scene boring.
I still think it is amazing that this particular scene is a global one and not restricted to one particular place in the world like Seattle for example.
Long live the revolution!!!
Tipp
id say no, because ive listened to most ...
id say no, because ive listened to most of those bands and alot of them sounds similar(maybe im just ignorant?)id never buy more than one cd from that "genre"
// we can hope for is that the market doesn't become saturated with third rate bands trying to copy the above
rockquest winner "the have" spring to mind, and like also these style of bands keep springing up, out of the all the strokes are the most innovative i feel the rest are just jumping on the bandwagon to become a rockstar, this revival will soon die
"The Have" are fantastic musicians and ...
"The Have" are fantastic musicians and they are teens - how could this be anything less than commendable?
A lot of the bands sound simular ...
A lot of the bands sound simular NonBreed?
Let me challenge you on this one...
BRMC are quite *clearly* nothing like any of the above bands. Leaning towards the shoegazing side of things, with songs with that dreamy wall of my bloody valentine guitar, and many songs clearly influenced by Janes Addiction.
The Hives, though looking like 60's mods have punk roots and like to smash things up a little (apparently fantastic live shows!), loud guitar, fairly good vocals from Howlin' Pelle, not the greatest band to ever exist but that isn't their point anyway; they definetly do not take themselves too seriously, the lyrics are jokey, the band are fun, the clips are funny, i mean...i'm going to give this band cred for their randy fistgerald character they have created..very funny stuff.
The Strokes on the other hand take themselves VERY seriously. They have the fuzzy, simple rock of the ramones and with a touch of psychedelia, as well as a bit of the stranglers (spot the simularities between strokes songs and the stranglers track touloose).
I like BRMC. The hives arn't that great but a bit of fun. The strokes tend to shit me off a bit for being so blatenly pretentious.
Can you see how these bands are different? I can understand the strokes and vines being compared because they are both so calculated. I think there two bands have ruined everything for everyone else who has a decent song to get on with. Just because a band starts with the doesn't make it bad. BRMC are awesome and i recommend their album to everyone...
Ah, the cycles . . . . . . . the ...
Ah, the cycles . . . .
. . . the fads . . .
Dirty rock has been going forever and will go on forever in some form or another. It's in the spotlight now, and of course by next year it will be ridiculously uncool as the third wave of garage (or something equally gimmicky) hits the UK. Dirty rock will never die out, though. I'd say there's been a lot of guitars purchased over 2002, though - especially the retro looking ones!
PS: Dead Moon are still touring NZ in ...
PS: Dead Moon are still touring NZ in January, right?
Now they've been at it for a long time . . . . . . .
i picked up a dead moon panflet ...
i picked up a dead moon panflet somewhere?:s
i like their symbal..
yea, as said rock and roll will never ...
yea, as said rock and roll will never die!
over come manafactured desire, i ...
over come manafactured desire,
i think it's a safe bet to say music will be around as long as there is music to be made,
//i think it's a safe bet to say music ...
//i think it's a safe bet to say music will be around as long as there is music to be made,
..RESPECT! Ocphuman has it sussed. But liek Nu-Metal, Rock&Roll will come and go. (Personally I think its sad that Muso's nowadays are lacking in creativity enough to go retro...)... y do I feel an onslaught coming?...
It's either retro or hybrid. Which ...
It's either retro or hybrid.
Which is worse ? ? ?
Neither and both! Lacking a dictionary ...
Neither and both!
Lacking a dictionary definition, Hybrid makes it sound like an old thing spiced up (does the word Retro ring a bell).... so yeah.
Here's a solution:
Why dont all the "Nu - Rock" bands go back to the 50's and 60's where the rebelling teenagers could feel cool by listening to music their parents didnt like!
But peace tho, it does make ya want ta get up and Twist baby!
//Personally I think its sad that ...
//Personally I think its sad that Muso's nowadays are lacking in creativity
speak for yourself cunt face!
i slap you for that like the bitch you are
Wow, what a come back....
Wow, what a come back.
tupid monkey? didn't your band dress ...
tupid monkey? didn't your band dress trying to look retro, ripping off another band? glass houses bro..
Cunt Face!?...
Cunt Face!?
Yeh but didnt the Have dress retro as ...
Yeh but didnt the Have dress retro as well? Ripped jeans... leather jackets... so what? We werent PLAYING retro, but im not saying we're original either. The Have were really good for their genre. And so what if we were ripping off another band? I never said anything about ripping other bands off...
And BTW, Cunt face? What a legendary comeback.... mmm. Maybe not. And read what I said, lacking enough to go retro... That doesnt mean all musicians are lacking in creativity u fool.
//Personally I think its sad that ...
//Personally I think its sad that Muso's nowadays are lacking in creativity
yeah speak for yourself. At livid last year i saw amazing bands who are doing great things. International noise conspiracy anyone? Yes, there is a bit of music drought, but things will clear up, you wait and see!
And by the way, i'm going to admit, i like retro clothes, not ones that are so mainstream but more bright clashing fun things. I like the punk look, i like a lot of looks. Whats wrong with liking something old?! Just because you like something retro doesn't mean you fall into some nu rock trap or are a wanker.
I like music from the late 70s through to the 80s....music and fashion work so perfectly what do you expect?
It doesnt mean you have to be calculated or take yourself so horribly seriously...have fun with what you wear.
I think that this current wave is a ...
I think that this current wave is a little more than just the rfevival of garage rock.
it is alos about the simulation of the rock and/or roll culture. it is in the fashion and I believe it is logical progression.
(everyone remembers grunge and everyone doning their plaid shirts and baggy jeans. then came punk (nu-punk) which built on the grunge thing and gave big ups to the original punk. I say that nu-rock was a logical step for the mainstream to adopt.)
The movement is bigger than the music it includes the fashion houses using the look to sell more clothes. the auto industry re-releasing muscle cars of the 70's it is all of the same movements but in reverse watch when the brunnettes are dubbed the next big thing because of their fifties vibe
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erm....the nu-punk was an up?...
erm....the nu-punk was an up?
OK... when did it become Nu-Rock? I ...
OK... when did it become Nu-Rock?
I would like to beg that you guys stop calling it this. It is Rock.
For some reason the term 'Nu' thing makes me want to hurt and kill things. Little fluffy innocent things.
Oh... and I've said this before. I ...
Oh... and I've said this before.
I don't know how long it is gonna last, but who cares? I am gonna be liking the music that I like from now until eternity. What I like will no doubt change. What the media and everybody else is paying attention to will change also
But while Rock (note: no 'Nu' - it is just unneccesary) is big then I am gonna make the most of this most excellent and vibrant explosion of music/fashion/energy.
//OK... when did it become ...
//OK... when did it become Nu-Rock?
i agree its NU-Metal not nu-Rock.
the datsuns etc are new wave rock'n'roll.not nu wave!
also i think ROCK is a broad term for gats/drums/bass/vox bands where the datsuns etc is rock'n'roll.
but who really cares about what some wankers i front of a computer (most of whom arent musos or in bands)so they cant comment about musicains.theyre just a pack of cunts.
//(most of whom arent musos or in ...
//(most of whom arent musos or in bands)so they cant comment about musicains
if they got ears, or the ability to sense vibrations, they can comment.
maybe so but not in a truely listened ...
maybe so but not in a truely listened to sense.
im saying as a musician i dont give a fuck about what people think about my music,to a degree anyway.
if they like it great,if they dont i dont care.
What im saying is non-muso dont have a valid opinion to musos.
hey matt :) what is a muso?...
hey matt :) what is a muso?
sorry for the personal attack but matt ...
sorry for the personal attack but matt your are a knob
so of the most in tune musical people I know are not muso's they are music lovers so piss off with that whole you've got toknow to understand shit
Agree with you totally Postman // ...
Agree with you totally Postman
// What im saying is non-muso dont have a valid opinion to musos.
haha you fool
That's a pretty stupid comment Matt. I ...
That's a pretty stupid comment Matt. I know some people who are incredibly passionate about music but yet they can't play a single note themselves. I still value their opinion on music more highly than I do yours.
So you only play music for other ...
So you only play music for other musicians? I have a feeling you'll never make a living at it, then. Most of the people who buy music, go to shows, etc. couldn't pick up an instrument and do much with it, and I'd be one of them. I sure as hell can decide what my money gets spent on, though, and it probably won't be some elitist fuckwit who says I'm not good enough for his music.
I don't know which is worse: making music for other musicians, or making music for record companies. Either way, I'm excluded.
don't worry about the school c it ...
don't worry about the school c it hasn't stopped me I was just making an excuse for being lazy.
I find it is easier not to deal with the classifiaction thing in music store (I know I am flogging a dead horse) just I find that if I had of used that to look for music that I like I would have never of heard of bands like primus and sonic youth I actually find forums and like the best way of discovering new music through what peropl inspires. but yeah we will have to agree to disagree on this point.
over and out
manamana : hey matt great gig ...
manamana : hey matt great gig tonight
matt : fuck off cunt what do you know
manamana : hey matt can i grap a copy of your ep?
matt : nah sorry bro you just wouldnt understand
burnt:)...
burnt:)
i think it's a fair opinion though. ...
i think it's a fair opinion though. people on this site always go on about not hassleing others for their personal opinions, matt obviously takes critisiscm seriously from muso's who understand the difficulty and hardship of getting music out there, and people who hide behind names who throw opinions around yet he doesn't know where they are coming from..don't matter.
a lot of muso's don't care to much what music writers say about them in magazines, they take it in, sometimes it hurts, yet in the end, often it doesn't matter, yet if the guy at the soundesk has got an opinion, everyone listens. I have discovered that from previous experience. If other bands offer some advice to a band they are much more likely to listen then someone who possibly doesn't understand where they are coming from.
ego journos, reporters, reviewers are often just looking for an angle, often not, but you sometimes can't take it seriously...but if someone who you've just played with at a gig comes up to you and talks about guitar tone, you will listen and learn.
Yo Matt bro, Ive already had this Muso ...
Yo Matt bro, Ive already had this Muso Vs Nerd battle in another Forum, so dont get me started. Me=Musician. My Viewpoint=as valid as anyones. AAnyones Viewpoint=The word of God himself (or that's how you should consider it). Mofo. Dont start shit... making music 4 musicians (thanx Velocity) aint good man.
//u fool
-ta Saul
// AAnyones Viewpoint=The word of God ...
// AAnyones Viewpoint=The word of God himself
that's what we'd like to think. I would think less of a band if they took something said on some forums, by someone with no identity who they do not know to heart.
we obviously live in different worlds, I have reserched this exhaustivly when starting up a magazine, talking to bands and listening to bands about what thyey think about opinions....of course they matter, but it's the opinions of people who you respect, your friends, fellow band members, bands you respect etc etc that truly matter to an artist.
Anyway, it's time to take it to your forum already started, if i can find it.
every person is different, i can't speak for all. Some people who care greatly about what the public think, probably listen to every little piece of critiscm. people who write music for themselves and love their music wouldn't care if mr. joe bloggs got upset. Some people probable are a little of each. we all know now how matt feels, you can't tell him he's wrong for feeling that way.
// im saying as a musician i dont give ...
// im saying as a musician i dont give a fuck about what people think about my music,to a degree anyway.
If he got a bad review he'd cry for a week.
what about you tclack. would you care ...
what about you tclack. would you care and change your music because of joe public? or do you do it for yourself?
No. However, outside criticism ...
No. However, outside criticism (positive or negative) is important in gauging the people's reaction to your music. "I don't give a fuck what people think" is simply bravado, and a rather macho attitude to boot.
well said. if you were familiar with ...
well said. if you were familiar with matt and his posts you would understand his fiery personality and how passionate he gets.
i would never change my art because of what some person i didn't know said, though i will listen and if i hear enough of it i would think about it, however other photographers who inspire me, if they don't like my work, it encourages me to try harder. a photographers opinion to me means so much. they understand what it means to do what i do. There is nothing more exciting, then when i hear my work inspires someone, so you can imagine how it feels when a photographer who inspires me likes my work.
I would rather general public appreciate my work (that's who it is for) and not other photographers..hands down, but i take the opinions of other photographers very seriously.
I imagine this is a similar feeling for musicians and other artists.
Yep. Love it or hate it, criticism has ...
Yep. Love it or hate it, criticism has its place.
Criticism has its place, definitely. ...
Criticism has its place, definitely. And if I want criticism on a story I'm writing I'm definitely going to take it to my writing group, and not the local bricklayers' union.
But it seemed to me that Matt was saying he doesn't give a fuck if the local bricklayers' union even LIKES his music, and in fact would prefer that they didn't.
I create art for the people, man.
there is such thing as "constructive ...
there is such thing as "constructive critisim" and it doesnt matter what those people do, be they musos, bricklayers, authors etc i think youre adverage person can give their opionion on youre work, and say what they think other would like aswell. it is impossible to make everyone happy.
//Criticism has its place, definitely. And if I want criticism on a story I'm writing I'm definitely going to take it to my writing group, and not the local bricklayers' union.
this is also true, if i want an opionion on my riffs im going to go talk to the person most into it, in my audience, and the person least - isint this called a range?
//What im saying is non-muso dont have a valid opinion to musos.
damn youre ignorant im a muso and care what everyone thinks
it was just a title thing re:nu ...
it was just a title thing re:nu however I think we could use gnu as I think it is pronounced the same way.
as for the way in which the media and the mainstream phrases things here are some of their past fopars [sic?]
grunge
funk rock
trip hop
alternative
plus a whole arse load I can't remember.
as billy joel said "it is all rock 'n' roll to me"
// fopars Do you mean faux pas? And ...
// fopars
Do you mean faux pas? And what's wrong with the phrase "trip hop"? I think it's quite an effective label. If I ever hear a band described as "trip hop" then I'm more likely to listen to it because I've liked all the other bands described as "trip hop", and it gives me a reasonable idea of what to expect.
I agree that the other phrases "funk rock" and "alternative" are kind of dumb, but mainly because they're just too generic and people who use them don't know, or are too lazy to find a more apt description. And "grunge" is just suffering from overuse.
I like the way genres evolve though - people try classifying a new band and they think "well, it's kinda like Korn, but you couldn't really call it nu-metal because it's not that metally - it's more just rock really, but it's different to other rock, so lets call it nu-rock"
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I've seen entire genre-maps on hip-hop / dance sites showing what spun off from what, and they get really complex. It's fascinating. And I think the more categories you get, the better, because it makes classification a bit more accurate.
as long as "latanic nu-pop death hip ...
as long as "latanic nu-pop death hip hop rock'n'roll" never shows its ugly head ill be happy:D
Totally agree with you postman well ...
Totally agree with you postman well put!!
I think I have cracked it! Nu-prock ...
I think I have cracked it!
Nu-prock is not really being touted around the press. but the phrase "the new rock revelotion" which as the press sees it is kind of correct.
// It's fascinating. And I think the more categories you get, the better, because it makes classification a bit more accurate.
labels disable
leave your labels for you home made jam
that sums up my feelings to labels
//fopars
yeah my spelling sucks, that is probably why I didn't get school Cert english. thanks for for reminding me
//nu-prock you know whatg I mean...
//nu-prock
you know whatg I mean