PS come check us out tomorrow night (Thursday 12th) at Happy Bar (with AMOS) and the following week (20th April) at Subnine (with Amos, War Within and Nort)
ok I saw you guys last night and...
The band has potential but your vocalist is terrible. I won't call him a singer because he can't sing. He is holding you back. Get him some lessons or loose him. Honestly.
Sorry for being so harsh, I've been watching a bit of American Idol lately and your vocalist really does need help.
The new song of yours is cool, sped up Tool, nice.
I think you might be judging our roarer from the wrong viewpoint though, man. Sure... his technical ability isn't the best, but it isn't about that. He has passion and power in abundance... we're punks at heart, dude.
nah sorry eddie, but i think stefan is right. The prob for me wasn't so much his singing ability, but that he didn't seem to be singing the music you guys were playing. Does he even understand what your influences are.
you're not a metal band.....or are you?
Constructive criticism is all good. Yup, Billy can't sing... all of us are aware of this, probably especially Billy. He's getting trained by one of welly's biggest stage personalities currently :P And you should hear the difference between him now and then!
Our first gig was Billy struggling to not lose his voice, now he's actually finding a style. (One I like a lot!) I can appreciate that to people not in the band it would just sound lke a guy who can't sing, but to me it's my friend who's waay better than he was two gigs ago, trying really hard and actually making headway.
I really think, heartfeltedly here, that Billy's going to be a really excellent frontman and vocalist some day.
yes hello, my name is facility and i am new, yes. i see idle faction play on tuesday for my first time and was really impressed. it gets me down to think that a band can't play on a tuesday night at indigo, which is designed to be a low key event for up and coming bands with out having to deal with unneccessay critisim....... i'd like to know if the people doing the critising are willing to put them selves on the line in front of a barely full bar and dance around like a crazy, yes. we should be supporting our local bands not dissing them before they have even had a change to mature/grow/develop themselves musically, me think. so lets just sit back relax and enjoy the music, or fuck off.....
But the feedback from people is always appreciated - good and bad... The fact that those people who had negative things to say (which is fair enough) put them in a positive way is actually a great endorsement of their support...
It's hard being on stage, let alone a Tuesday night - I have complete confidence that we'll keep on evolving and continue to enjoy ourselves massivley (which is really all I care about).
I must admit it was quite a nice turn out for a Tuesday - the last two had been real quiet with no bands playing...
Just for the record Stefan - you didn't come across as condecening (IMHO) and in fact provided some good feedback which was refreshingly honest without being negative.
I just wana know - do I hit the drums hard enough?!?! :-)
Personally I think its a steep learning curve for him... having listened through the recording of the gig it showed 2 main things for me...
- He does indeed need more practise in regards to pitch and melody, however that can be learnt through practise and perserverance.
- He has a wonderful roar, which is actually one of the things which I was hoping.
We haven't been in a position where he's been actually been able to hear himself often in practises (we tend to be loud and under amplified on the vocals) so that in itself is a downpoint.
As Eddie said we're not really in it for a professional level (as can be evidenced by the very laid back approach to gigs and practises) and I'm quite happy to let people slide into their own comfortable areas. I actually have confidence that given time all will start to sound more 'right'.
Don't get me wrong, the feedback is actually majorly appreciated (even more so for being honest with us!). Time will tell though...
As for influences - I don't think they count for jack shit... I know my influences are heaps different to the rest of the band, and we haven't really tried to actually engineer what we're gonna sound like. I think there is a certain amount of metal in there, with a punk attitude and a wall of sound kinda approach. I like the term 'Shouty Rock'.
Re : american idol - I can't stand 99% of the 'singers' who audition on that show... Each to their own...
I think we're 'Shouty Rock' (tm) - thats as close to a gnere as I want to get :-)
I'd jump around more on stage, but you know I think my drumming would suffer for doing so... I need to bend my back more into it like I do on Hey Society though...
i really wanted to jump off the stage and dance in the moshpit with chris etc... didn't know if my cable would reach without unplugging my guitar though.
also, last time i did that, the goth put me in a headlock. i thought, 'hey i can't breathe! keep playing.' then 'hey i can't see! keep playing. he'll let go soon.' and then 'hey am i still conscious? not sure. '
then he let go and daryl finished the solo in 'breed' and billy came back from vomiting outside and we did the last chorus. well orchestrated, i thought.
its very very hard to pitch yourself to your band when you have no foldback or cant isolate a melodic line. its even harder when practises are amped on the music and you have no way of hearing youself. its easy to strain your voice trying to top the music, and give yourself a headache trying to pitch properly.
with reference to another forum, i go to see idle faction because theyre mates. and the last couple of gigs ive gone because its a joy to see a band progress and bind as fast as idle faction have been. musically, theyre tight and energetic, and they clearly love what theyre doing.
im a complete vocal nazi. billy drives me fucking crazy with his pitch, or lack thereof. but his stage presence is undeniable. hes coming out of himself and giving more to the audience, and he really believes what hes singing. i think thats prolly cos of his work on the lyrical side of things. if his diction was better, people could actually hear what hes so passionate about singing.
but then, he might lose some of his spontaneity. im going to sit tight and see how it all turns out.
He does indeed!!! It seems that the majority of people would be happier if billy wasa samall blond boy with a cute voice singing about his lost love (s). NO!!! I like it.... it is refreshing to have a vocalist with something to say... take a moment next yalll and listen cus hes a smart fellow.
Secondly, if music was perpertrated by people only with contemporarily defined talent we all would have missed out on some of the greats.... ie. sex pistols (simplistic music with HIDEOUS vocals); bob dylan (fucked voice)... ect.....
Sorry I missed the gig dudes... twill be there next time.
Friday 2 May - The Wellington Underground Variety Showcase
Featuring: Idle Faction (Energy Rock, Shouting), The K1500 Project (Rock, Indie, Pop) and Acid Jack (Progressive, Psychedelic, Rock.)
3 Bands really worth checking out...
Bands start 10pm, tickets available at the door, $5.
Seen it all before? Too detached for your irony? Sick of losing your
hearing to cheap knock-offs of crap trends? Want to come away from a gig
energised and inspired? You need an evening of WTF!
Presenting an evening of the most original mayhem, polish, energy, sonic
exploration, poetry and sheer fun to overwhelm a Wellington night out in
far too long.
Cortina, The Blue Set, Idle Faction, The Occupants and Scott (2003 Fringe
Poetry Slam winner) Kendrick.
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Come to Indigo tonight to see Idle ...
Come to Indigo tonight to see Idle Faction return triumphantly to the stage.
Also... there is cheap alcohol...
Lots of fun last night. Thanks to ...
Lots of fun last night. Thanks to everyone who came up, especially the people we didn't know :)
Good to meet you, Nato.
hi. Im marty. We played a
hi. Im marty. We played a gig with you guys a few years back at the Valve. We were a Deftones Cover band and you completley blew us off the stage -
It auctualy made us loose the covers and concentrate on writing originals.
Anyways. Im very very keen to get some gigs going with you guys.
let me know
marty
martyandkirsty@xtra.co.nz
027 259 3978
PS come check us out tomorrow night (Thursday 12th) at Happy Bar (with AMOS) and the following week (20th April) at Subnine (with Amos, War Within and Nort)
we need to play more. 8) anyone wanna ...
we need to play more. 8)
anyone wanna play with me???
And once more, Idle Faction play Indigo ...
And once more, Idle Faction play Indigo tonight. Come along. It will be fun.
And if you come up and say hello, I will be friendly to you.
And once more... thanks to everyone who ...
And once more... thanks to everyone who came along... and thanks to Indigo for getting me hideously drunk. It was a good night. :)
ok I saw you guys last night ...
ok I saw you guys last night and...
The band has potential but your vocalist is terrible. I won't call him a singer because he can't sing. He is holding you back. Get him some lessons or loose him. Honestly.
Sorry for being so harsh, I've been watching a bit of American Idol lately and your vocalist really does need help.
The new song of yours is cool, sped up Tool, nice.
Ouch. Cheers tho, man....
Ouch.
Cheers tho, man.
I think you might be judging our roarer ...
I think you might be judging our roarer from the wrong viewpoint though, man. Sure... his technical ability isn't the best, but it isn't about that. He has passion and power in abundance... we're punks at heart, dude.
nah sorry eddie, but i think stefan is ...
nah sorry eddie, but i think stefan is right. The prob for me wasn't so much his singing ability, but that he didn't seem to be singing the music you guys were playing. Does he even understand what your influences are.
you're not a metal band.....or are you?
Constructive criticism is all good. ...
Constructive criticism is all good. Yup, Billy can't sing... all of us are aware of this, probably especially Billy. He's getting trained by one of welly's biggest stage personalities currently :P And you should hear the difference between him now and then!
Our first gig was Billy struggling to not lose his voice, now he's actually finding a style. (One I like a lot!) I can appreciate that to people not in the band it would just sound lke a guy who can't sing, but to me it's my friend who's waay better than he was two gigs ago, trying really hard and actually making headway.
I really think, heartfeltedly here, that Billy's going to be a really excellent frontman and vocalist some day.
stefan, yeah man i really like the new ...
stefan, yeah man i really like the new song too! its called 'Slow Motion Apocalypse'
a tool comparison, i'm humbled :D
// I really think, heartfeltedly here, ...
// I really think, heartfeltedly here, that Billy's going to be a really excellent frontman and vocalist some day.
I agree. Watch this space.
yes hello, my name is facility and i am ...
yes hello, my name is facility and i am new, yes. i see idle faction play on tuesday for my first time and was really impressed. it gets me down to think that a band can't play on a tuesday night at indigo, which is designed to be a low key event for up and coming bands with out having to deal with unneccessay critisim....... i'd like to know if the people doing the critising are willing to put them selves on the line in front of a barely full bar and dance around like a crazy, yes. we should be supporting our local bands not dissing them before they have even had a change to mature/grow/develop themselves musically, me think. so lets just sit back relax and enjoy the music, or fuck off.....
idle faction you rule, look forward to next time
facility
Cheers for the kudos Facility... But ...
Cheers for the kudos Facility...
But the feedback from people is always appreciated - good and bad... The fact that those people who had negative things to say (which is fair enough) put them in a positive way is actually a great endorsement of their support...
It's hard being on stage, let alone a Tuesday night - I have complete confidence that we'll keep on evolving and continue to enjoy ourselves massivley (which is really all I care about).
I must admit it was quite a nice turn out for a Tuesday - the last two had been real quiet with no bands playing...
Laters
nice to see you guys are taking it well ...
nice to see you guys are taking it well and I do understand that you are a young band with a long way to come.
Best of luck.
bj... badjelly? :D i thought it was ...
bj... badjelly? :D
i thought it was you actually! my mistake!
thanks Scott. I think fink has it in ...
thanks Scott.
I think fink has it in for me. I've pissed them off or something somehow.
// I just wana know - do I hit the drums hard enough?!?! :-)
I'll keep an ear out next time, heh.
// I just wana know - do I hit the ...
// I just wana know - do I hit the drums hard enough?!?! :-)
No!! Harder!!!
Stefan could you be anymore ...
Stefan could you be anymore condescending?
//He's getting trained by one of ...
//He's getting trained by one of welly's biggest stage personalities currently :P And you should hear the difference between him now and then!
ha! whos training him now, babe?
//Our first gig was Billy struggling to not lose his voice
and his lunch. :)
condescending? whatever....
condescending?
whatever.
Just for the record Stefan - you ...
Just for the record Stefan - you didn't come across as condecening (IMHO) and in fact provided some good feedback which was refreshingly honest without being negative.
I just wana know - do I hit the drums hard enough?!?! :-)
//He's getting trained by one of ...
//He's getting trained by one of welly's biggest stage personalities currently
//i thought it was you actually! my mistake
that would make your compliment more than a little tongue in cheek. wanker!!! come over here and say that!
*grin*
bwahahahahaha! scott, it sounds like a ...
bwahahahahaha! scott, it sounds like a rock kit when you use brushes, man...
Personally I think its a steep learning ...
Personally I think its a steep learning curve for him... having listened through the recording of the gig it showed 2 main things for me...
- He does indeed need more practise in regards to pitch and melody, however that can be learnt through practise and perserverance.
- He has a wonderful roar, which is actually one of the things which I was hoping.
We haven't been in a position where he's been actually been able to hear himself often in practises (we tend to be loud and under amplified on the vocals) so that in itself is a downpoint.
As Eddie said we're not really in it for a professional level (as can be evidenced by the very laid back approach to gigs and practises) and I'm quite happy to let people slide into their own comfortable areas. I actually have confidence that given time all will start to sound more 'right'.
Don't get me wrong, the feedback is actually majorly appreciated (even more so for being honest with us!). Time will tell though...
As for influences - I don't think they count for jack shit... I know my influences are heaps different to the rest of the band, and we haven't really tried to actually engineer what we're gonna sound like. I think there is a certain amount of metal in there, with a punk attitude and a wall of sound kinda approach. I like the term 'Shouty Rock'.
Re : american idol - I can't stand 99% of the 'singers' who audition on that show... Each to their own...
Time will tell :-)
i wonder if we have a genre yet? ...
i wonder if we have a genre yet? heh
ummm do we need to jump round more, comments from non-band members very welcome...
I think we're 'Shouty Rock' (tm) - ...
I think we're 'Shouty Rock' (tm) - thats as close to a gnere as I want to get :-)
I'd jump around more on stage, but you know I think my drumming would suffer for doing so... I need to bend my back more into it like I do on Hey Society though...
// ummm do we need to jump round more, ...
// ummm do we need to jump round more, comments from non-band members very welcome...
Yes... is jumping to be encouraged? I will do more jumping... just gotta get a little more comfortable with the whole thing, really.
i really wanted to jump off the stage ...
i really wanted to jump off the stage and dance in the moshpit with chris etc... didn't know if my cable would reach without unplugging my guitar though.
also, last time i did that, the goth put me in a headlock. i thought, 'hey i can't breathe! keep playing.' then 'hey i can't see! keep playing. he'll let go soon.' and then 'hey am i still conscious? not sure. '
then he let go and daryl finished the solo in 'breed' and billy came back from vomiting outside and we did the last chorus. well orchestrated, i thought.
/m/
its very very hard to pitch yourself to ...
its very very hard to pitch yourself to your band when you have no foldback or cant isolate a melodic line. its even harder when practises are amped on the music and you have no way of hearing youself. its easy to strain your voice trying to top the music, and give yourself a headache trying to pitch properly.
with reference to another forum, i go to see idle faction because theyre mates. and the last couple of gigs ive gone because its a joy to see a band progress and bind as fast as idle faction have been. musically, theyre tight and energetic, and they clearly love what theyre doing.
im a complete vocal nazi. billy drives me fucking crazy with his pitch, or lack thereof. but his stage presence is undeniable. hes coming out of himself and giving more to the audience, and he really believes what hes singing. i think thats prolly cos of his work on the lyrical side of things. if his diction was better, people could actually hear what hes so passionate about singing.
but then, he might lose some of his spontaneity. im going to sit tight and see how it all turns out.
//He has passion and power in ...
//He has passion and power in abundance...
He does indeed!!! It seems that the majority of people would be happier if billy wasa samall blond boy with a cute voice singing about his lost love (s). NO!!! I like it.... it is refreshing to have a vocalist with something to say... take a moment next yalll and listen cus hes a smart fellow.
Secondly, if music was perpertrated by people only with contemporarily defined talent we all would have missed out on some of the greats.... ie. sex pistols (simplistic music with HIDEOUS vocals); bob dylan (fucked voice)... ect.....
Sorry I missed the gig dudes... twill be there next time.
pixie, theTrooper, badjelly... vuw ...
pixie, theTrooper, badjelly... vuw scfbbs in the muthafucking house! :D :D
oops.
love, clubmix. ;)
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hey babe :) nice to see youre getting ...
hey babe :) nice to see youre getting out there... *love*
Heya man... Yeah Pixie was already ...
Heya man...
Yeah Pixie was already taken on the board... so I settled for a real name :-)
Good to hear from you!!!!
I just wanted to chime in & say that I ...
I just wanted to chime in & say that I missed the gig, but on the recording Billy's voice sounded better than ever.
Love,
Exterminator
Idle Faction are playing The Cross this ...
Idle Faction are playing The Cross this Friday... It will be good. Come along.
Good job last night guys, nice and ...
Good job last night guys, nice and solid and better still Billy rocked the Casbah!
Cheers dude :)...
Cheers dude :)
Friday 2 May - The Wellington ...
Friday 2 May - The Wellington Underground Variety Showcase
Featuring: Idle Faction (Energy Rock, Shouting), The K1500 Project (Rock, Indie, Pop) and Acid Jack (Progressive, Psychedelic, Rock.)
3 Bands really worth checking out...
Bands start 10pm, tickets available at the door, $5.
Come to our gig tonight @ Valve - ...
Come to our gig tonight @ Valve - playing with The K1500 Project and Acd Jack (as above)!
We'd love to see you all!
We came, we saw. They rocked. Even the ...
We came, we saw. They rocked. Even the drunk lawyer
WTF!?!?! Saturday 28th June @ ...
WTF!?!?!
Saturday 28th June @ Valve... A fine feats of original welly rockin' sounds...
Featurin....
The glorious return of Cortina!!
The mamoth machine that is The Blue Set!!
RUmbling tones from Idle Faction!!
...and the Doctors Who's of the rock world -=The Occupants=-
Also featuring Poetry styles from Scott Kendrick...
$5 on the door - put your foot too the floor and go go go!!!
GO!
Holy shit. This guy thought he'd died ...
Holy shit. This guy thought he'd died and gone to heaven.
No way I'm gonna die before the gig - ...
No way I'm gonna die before the gig - maybe after - I could rest happy after the mayhem which is gonna be had on Saturday...
I'm really looking forward to seeing both The Blue Set and Cortina, plus I'm always happy to be pounding the skins on stage...
This will be wa wonderfully huge night - and yes I am overexcited about it!!!!! (to many exlamations!)
Ok... now the proper ...
Ok... now the proper one....
WTF?
Seen it all before? Too detached for your irony? Sick of losing your
hearing to cheap knock-offs of crap trends? Want to come away from a gig
energised and inspired? You need an evening of WTF!
Presenting an evening of the most original mayhem, polish, energy, sonic
exploration, poetry and sheer fun to overwhelm a Wellington night out in
far too long.
Cortina, The Blue Set, Idle Faction, The Occupants and Scott (2003 Fringe
Poetry Slam winner) Kendrick.
Sat Jun 28th. $5, Valve, Wellington.
I broke my nose at band practise last ...
I broke my nose at band practise last night. Just thought you should all know I am indeed a d(r)ummer.
Will be great tomorrow night!
What, you mean you're willing to break ...
What, you mean you're willing to break other appendages in the name of rock?
Will the nose be patched up? :)
oh my god! go you! does this mean its ...
oh my god! go you! does this mean its straight now?
Last night's gig @Valve kicked ass...
Last
night's
gig
@Valve
kicked
ass!!!
Can't
wait
for
Bodega
next
Sunday.