yeah happy birthday.
has anyone seen the new active compilation.
the lambs are the only rock band to make the cut.
i'm not doubting the talent of the lambs at all, but out of 25 tracks this is the one song to celebrate 25 years of radio actives rock heritage.
just wondering what you reckon about this stinkbuzz.
you must be stoked.
did anyone submit a track and get denied?
there is some other guitar orientated music on there as well (phoenix & dana eclair), and active picked the most "rock" track (ie. fast/loud) the lambs have ever done, so go figure!
maybe they heard about "can of worms" and thought the market for "rock music" was cornered already.
you know my feelings on this "us & them" bullshit nato.
how'd the live to air go, will we be hearing anything from you guys on the airwaves anytime soon?
// did anyone submit a track and get denied?
i didn't know they were asking for submissions. maybe it just the "in house" crowd. I have no idea. and i really don't think that "can of worms" had anything to do with it you cheeky bitch.
pheonix and dana eclair are great. I don't personally class them as "rock music" though.
//"us & them" bullshit
yes it really is bullshit isn't it. i don't want my comments here to get blown out of proportion like last time. it was just an observation. kind of like the observation someone else made recently about the b-net award imagery for the cd cover and stuff. all guitary and rock'n'roll which is weird considering what the awards and compilation are/were predominately honouring the complete opposite. maybe i'm just jealous that we weren't chosen for either compilations and we didn't win the award. respect to phoenix by the way. maybe i should have used both my votes on myself and told my nana and her "grey surfer" club to vote too.
//how'd the live to air go,
the live to air went really well thank you, you should see if anyone recorded it off the radio and have a listen. maybe you could play one of our songs on your show. that would be massive.
I think the Active Compilation is pretty representative of the local content played on Active currently.
I also dont think that Active has been formally inviting submissions for compilitations, but bear in mind that each year that they put their ActiveCard out it will probably come with a CD. Probably assembled about December/Jan.
So...Bands/Artists that might like to be on one should submit their demos to active...in person. Talk to Carlito - he's a very nice guy (assuming he's still in charge there) and he makes sure that every demo is listened to. Find out what he thinks about the demo and find out if it is getting play on Active. If not, find out why not. For example, folk bands or christian rock dont really appeal to the Active listening audience. Quality is also an obvious major factor in decision making a this point. If your demo makes it to playlist on Active, I'm sure you have a pretty good chance of getting on a comp if you want to be on one.
I dont think there is any exclusive 'in crowd' at work, just pro-active bands/managers instead.
see johnny. we can see eye to eye my friend.i am just what you would call a troll.is that what annoying pricks on chat boards are called?my true opinion is that i don't like 95% of the music they play so i don't listen to it. as for the personal masturbatory habits of the people who work there i have not a clue.
ps James Lord, the joy of text is spotting the 'tone of voice'. I suspect yours is sarcastic. Forgive me if I'm wrong...
If I'm right...gimmeabreak! For the last eternity Active and the rest of the student stations (B-Net) have had the accusation of sounding like a bunch of stoned-out imbeciles. All of them have tried hard to clean up their act. And now they're accused of sounding too cool for you.
They cant fucking win!
Golly gosh arent those Channel-zee (oh so New Zealand pronounciation) and Massey Wellington djs so down to earth!! Youbetchababe!!!
Active are the most musically committed bunch of (largely) amateur DJs I've come across. I really think Active has done a great job in getting rid of the ego filled wankers in the last few years and replacing them with people whose one true love is music. If they dont sound like hit-radio, well thats because theyre not being paid like hit radio.
Maybe we should secretly train cameras at all Active DJ's 24 hours a day and ascertain exactly what their mastubatory habbits are. Hell, if MTV can do it we can.
//I dont think there is any exclusive 'in crowd' at work, just pro-active bands/managers instead
you nailed it jonnyjw.
//i really don't think that "can of worms" had anything to do with it you cheeky bitch.
seriously bro. the press leading up to that comp was anti active, so maybe they thought "none of those guys will be into it".
//maybe you could play one of our songs on your show. that would be massive.
i would happily do that for you my hairy friend, giz some music cunt!!
you should get a show up there and tear it up from the inside playing some of this rock music i hear the kids talking about. hahaha! seriously man, come up for my next show if you want.
oh yeah wanna buy my bass or has it not got enuff strings for ya?!
//oh yeah wanna buy my bass or has it not got enuff strings for ya?!
i would but i've seen you thrash the shit out of it too many times playing your music which i can only describe as rock. keen on a short term loan of your mesa though for recording.
my peavey just isn't going to cut it.
as far as the active thing goes i'm quite prepared to keep my own opinions. thanks for your views though. for a shit stirring cynic you're certainly very diplomatic. on ya.
the mesa is in the garage getting a tune up. wanna buy it? our next album has a more minimilist german techno/deep house feel which the 400+ doesn't quite suit!
I hate to ask but how much support in terms of playlisting did the Lambs get for the Private Joke album. This album is surely one of the best Wellington releases in recent years and it seemed unsupported by Wellington media?
Letterbox Lambs was a little complicated, I think. They have had a huge amount of support from Active in the past (helped partly by their manager being programme director). But a lot of this time was demos before the album came out. By the time the album came out most of the songs off it had already been playlisted and done their run on the radio.
I thought the album was a lot darker than the bouncy band I've seen on many a happy gig at Bodega. Quite a different experience. mmmm...
hey um, antic. along with this website, active was the most supportive towards "not a pvt" of all wgtn media. as far as other wgtn media goes i don't know, perhaps it was slackness on the part of the band its all a bit of a haze.
jonnyjw:
//But a lot of this time was demos before the album came out. By the time the album came out most of the songs off it had already been playlisted and done their run on the radio.
none of the tracks off the album were releasesd as demos. "this ways down" came out on a split ep thing, and later the active 21st comp. we re-recorded another version and for better or worse put it on the album. this went against the band "policy" of not rereleasing old tracks, but there are reasons why we did it (long story).
//They have had a huge amount of support from Active in the past (helped partly by their manager being programme director).
i was never PD at active. i assume you're referring to andy.
our "peak" of playlist on active was 1996 when mark cubey was PD. our song "carry on" (cringe) was voted #1 that year on active top 50 for the year, much to mr cubeys dismay. he cried foul and so the following 2 years we didnt fare so well. although 2 of our songs were on very high rotate (kelp & staring). andy was at best a volunteer DJ at active at this time, when he became PD in i believe 1998, he became to busy to look after our asses for no pay.
other than not a pvt joke we didnt release anything to radio while andy was PD. shortly after the album came out he quit.
i really feel i needed to clear that up, cos we worked hard as a band, and didnt get anything from knowing the right people. cheers
I had a feeling I would be corrected by you, stinkbuzz, on all my mistakes. Nevertheless, overall Active played a lot of L Lambs before they had an album out and by the time the album came out the momentum had largely run out, which I have to say was a little sad. Still, I'm not sure how much endorsement by Active actually translates into record sales.
yeah totally johnny. we got heaps of airplay for the album from active. just wanted to clear up the other stuff. momentum slowed down cos there was a period of two years or so where we didnt record, and our gigs were few & far. nothing to do with active tho.
i'd have to say the next album is "darker" still. hope boston is treating you fine. will have to make sure you get a copy :}
Ta very muchly Stinkbuzz. I can definitely declare that the Letterbox Lambs has been played in the radio at least once in Boston. I'm not sure if you will ever see any royalties from that one, but who knows!
Is the rock scene is becoming like some kind of separatist movement!? The active comp was put together as a compilation and not a rock CD. The music represented is not only "rock", but blues, hip-hop, dub, jazz, house and various other electronix (ROCK MUSIC IS ELECTRONIC TOO -did ya know?). Active is not a pigeon hole for any one type of music, in fact active doesn't even like dirty, filthy fucking pigeons to start with. Nor do they give a shit about paselode's obvious and cowardly resentment towards the station for what ever reason that may be. Perhaps "jelousy" is the understatement. Don't you ever forget that rock music came from the black sound of blues and jazz, and was quite literally plagerised by no other than Elvis Presley (long die the king), the rest is history folks. However, back to the The Active comp... it actually represents what the sound of Wellington / NZ is today and was never intended as any kind of retrospect of it's history. It's more like history in the making. You can't deny Phoenix and Dana aren't rock, nor can you justify as to wether the Lambs, Trinity Roots and the Clean, or any the other artists featured are rock. Becasue these bands don't want your damn justifications or genre definitions. They'd much more prefer you stop your bloody segregation and go out and bloody support them for what they are. Their musical influences aren't for you to tag, but for you to recognise and enjoy. Because you constantly all diverge into defining exactly what is rock, and what it isn't, is the whole reason why rock is closing in on it's own demise. Because the scene and supporters refuse to recognise that it is all part of the same bloody thing. It's all Music! There are no genres! Who invented the word rock? A record company. Who decided rock was somehow separate to all other musical styles? Some stupid fucking fool who wants ownership of something that belongs to not just one, but all. People are you really listening?
well put crazyfunked, the active compilation is a compilation. i thought that i should let you know that the views i make are my own and are nothing to do with my bands.
and why bring race into it? african americans blues, jamacians created reggae. so??
if you read my comment you'll see that i was saying to jules that he must be stoked that his band made the grade. i've talked through my opinions with the active head-honchos. there is nothing cowardly nor is there any resentment in my feelings. they even let us do a live-to-air so we must be best mates aye.
i'd love to know who you are crazyfunked.
i'm not anti-anything. i have nothing against anyone that works at active, infact i may even happen to live with some of them. all i ask for is a bit of diversity in their playlist. i don't think it's too much to ask.
i define music by how it sound to MY ears and yes, i am listening.
Here’s a little history lesson for you crazyfunked:
The term ‘Rock n Roll’ in relation to music was first coined by the late beatnik community of America in the late 1940’s not by some record exec as ‘crazyfunked’ would lead you to believe.
The term ‘Rock n Roll’ had been extensively used by the black community in America, referring to sexual congress, well before this.
In relation to music the saying ‘rock n roll’ was a tip o’ the hat at the Jazz movement of the time with the word ‘jazz’ being another black term for looooove making.
‘Rock n roll’ (in its relation to white rhythm & blues music) was popularised by the English youth during the ‘50s.
The English pirate Disc jockey Alan Freed is given credit for popularising the term with his radio show called 'Moondog's Rock'n'Roll Party' (’51 – ’54).
These words were far too taboo at the time for record companies to be marketing their music as ‘Rock n Roll’ or even ‘rock’ for that matter.
I listen to and i fondly believe that active's playlist is pretty diverse as it is. Do you think that possibly because Paselode are not currently on the (active) playlist that it's just not quite diverse enough? Ya know - for YOUR ears?
Yeah, I would have to agree....Crazyfunked....Active playlist is far more diverse than say Channel Z or (shudder) ZM FM - where else (in Wellington radio terms) can you go from Curtis Mayfield to D-super to Wilco in the space of 10 minutes?
last time i looked (granted this was nearly 3 weeks ago) the only "rock" playlisted on active was pheonix foundation and wilco. who to my ears, as great as they both are, are definately not rock.
it's nothing to do with paselode not being playlisted. it's to do with no rock being playlisted.
i could be bitter that they wouldn't play "uppin' the ante" because is wasn't "high enough recording quality" yet that same version was nominated as the top unreleased song in this years bnets. instead i had to laugh.
is it a crime not to be content. i hate half the shit that most radio stations play.
i don't want to carry on in this forum crazyfunked but i'll let you buy me coffee if you want.
nah man screw discussing this over a cup of coffee. This conversation has been going around wellington for months and it's time it was publically aired. Does Radio Active ignore rock? Is it fair to say that compilation accurately represents the NZ music scene at the moment? (How could one CD comp accurately represent any national scene? Big call) Should active diversify it's playlist? Is active pandering more to their overseas audience than their hometown? Lets get these questions out there!
My two cents (ftr - I like guitar oriented music with 4/4 timing and verse chorus verse structure. I also enjoy indie rock, pure pop, art rock, dub, roots, reggae, jazz, classical, opera etc etc . theres a time, setting and a mood for all these musical styles. In fact the only music that would drive me to pop my own eardurms rather than listen to it would be that sash style club techno stuff and cheesy boy band RnB.)
I used to listen to active a great deal. 5 years ago it was probably my main source to find new ("alt" cringe) music of all kinds. It seemed to have loads of really diverse shows with djs that were really passionate about the music and went out of their way to find and play excellent new music from all over the place. It didn't strike me as being too much of anything really - it sort of let the music do the talking. No doubt Active has changed, in playlisting and attitude. I wouldn't look towards Active now to find me new music and I don't think their playlist is anywhere near as diverse as it used to be. However I like my dub too and there is a large dub/roots component in wellington and active is probably the only station that is catering for these tastes in wellington.
Personally I don't feel like any radio station is coming anywhere close to representing my taste right now and the area most underrepresented is definitely 'alternative rock'. But is it fair to ask Active be the ones to address that area?
I agree Teina. Active saw a niche in the market (dub, et al) and repositioned themselves, possibly they saw "alt-rock" on the way out. To ask Active to change again while it is still doing well is a hopeless cause and they cannot be everything to everyone. Ideally it is up to someoneelse to fill the rock gap. I'd love to see some indie rock radio up and running here. I think we have had this conversation before.
well yeah that's the obvious call - if you don't like what's happening get out there and do your own thing - but it's a conversation killer everytime! I'm keen to know the offical Active view of their playlist and target market. Cos if they are claiming their playlist to be diverse and their target audience to be all Wellington alternative radio listeners, then well it's not and they are neglecting a wide taste bracket.
ahh yes what do they define as alternative? I think that is key. Dub, etc are alternative but slowly becoming mainstream, will they ditch that once it does?
when i had my meeting with the honchos at active i asked for carls opinion on rock music. he said that "he's over it". this is where the problem begins and ends.
i've got a great idea. imagine if it was more than one persons job to choose the playlist. imagine if carl, sam scott from pheonix and jules/stinkbuzz got a little committee going. this would be diversity and i can't see it being of any harm. i actually see actives listener base growing, not switching off.
//screw discussing this over a cup of coffee
the comment "cowardly resentment" made by crazyfunked got me so intrigued to who they are. this mysterious person who's popped up out no where - hiding behind a psuedonym and thinking that they know their shit from their sandwiches. who are you crazyfunked?
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yeah happy birthday. has anyone seen ...
yeah happy birthday.
has anyone seen the new active compilation.
the lambs are the only rock band to make the cut.
i'm not doubting the talent of the lambs at all, but out of 25 tracks this is the one song to celebrate 25 years of radio actives rock heritage.
just wondering what you reckon about this stinkbuzz.
you must be stoked.
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did anyone submit a track and get ...
did anyone submit a track and get denied?
there is some other guitar orientated music on there as well (phoenix & dana eclair), and active picked the most "rock" track (ie. fast/loud) the lambs have ever done, so go figure!
maybe they heard about "can of worms" and thought the market for "rock music" was cornered already.
you know my feelings on this "us & them" bullshit nato.
how'd the live to air go, will we be hearing anything from you guys on the airwaves anytime soon?
i like how full of life the hosts ...
i like how full of life the hosts sound. they are just so cool. gosh.
// did anyone submit a track and get ...
// did anyone submit a track and get denied?
i didn't know they were asking for submissions. maybe it just the "in house" crowd. I have no idea. and i really don't think that "can of worms" had anything to do with it you cheeky bitch.
pheonix and dana eclair are great. I don't personally class them as "rock music" though.
//"us & them" bullshit
yes it really is bullshit isn't it. i don't want my comments here to get blown out of proportion like last time. it was just an observation. kind of like the observation someone else made recently about the b-net award imagery for the cd cover and stuff. all guitary and rock'n'roll which is weird considering what the awards and compilation are/were predominately honouring the complete opposite. maybe i'm just jealous that we weren't chosen for either compilations and we didn't win the award. respect to phoenix by the way. maybe i should have used both my votes on myself and told my nana and her "grey surfer" club to vote too.
//how'd the live to air go,
the live to air went really well thank you, you should see if anyone recorded it off the radio and have a listen. maybe you could play one of our songs on your show. that would be massive.
Just because a band doesn't sound like ...
Just because a band doesn't sound like the datsuns or the d4 doesn't mean their not rock music.
that's extremely astute of you andoru....
that's extremely astute of you andoru.
cheers mate :) sorry wanky comments ...
cheers mate :)
sorry wanky comments just poooooooooooour out.
it happens to the best of ...
it happens to the best of us.
sometimes i wish that there was a delete comment button too.
oi. you wanna go? to the party i mean......
oi. you wanna go? to the party i mean...
I think the Active Compilation is ...
I think the Active Compilation is pretty representative of the local content played on Active currently.
I also dont think that Active has been formally inviting submissions for compilitations, but bear in mind that each year that they put their ActiveCard out it will probably come with a CD. Probably assembled about December/Jan.
So...Bands/Artists that might like to be on one should submit their demos to active...in person. Talk to Carlito - he's a very nice guy (assuming he's still in charge there) and he makes sure that every demo is listened to. Find out what he thinks about the demo and find out if it is getting play on Active. If not, find out why not. For example, folk bands or christian rock dont really appeal to the Active listening audience. Quality is also an obvious major factor in decision making a this point. If your demo makes it to playlist on Active, I'm sure you have a pretty good chance of getting on a comp if you want to be on one.
I dont think there is any exclusive 'in crowd' at work, just pro-active bands/managers instead.
count me in.i am masturbating right now ...
count me in.i am masturbating right now by the way.
// johnny.you are right, cos i think ...
// johnny.you are right, cos i think they're wankers. the lot of them.
...as long as you do, then nothing else matters (certainly not logic)...
Of course real masturbation is much ...
Of course real masturbation is much more acceptable than 'intellectual' masturbation.
...as long as its not being done in inappropriate places.
Hope you're not doing it at the library computer terminals
see johnny. we can see eye to eye my ...
see johnny. we can see eye to eye my friend.i am just what you would call a troll.is that what annoying pricks on chat boards are called?my true opinion is that i don't like 95% of the music they play so i don't listen to it. as for the personal masturbatory habits of the people who work there i have not a clue.
Okay, okay so I cant spell. ...
Okay, okay so I cant spell. Com-pil-a-tion
woo-hoo! Yay for Sesame Street.
ps James Lord, the joy of text is spotting the 'tone of voice'. I suspect yours is sarcastic. Forgive me if I'm wrong...
If I'm right...gimmeabreak! For the last eternity Active and the rest of the student stations (B-Net) have had the accusation of sounding like a bunch of stoned-out imbeciles. All of them have tried hard to clean up their act. And now they're accused of sounding too cool for you.
They cant fucking win!
Golly gosh arent those Channel-zee (oh so New Zealand pronounciation) and Massey Wellington djs so down to earth!! Youbetchababe!!!
Active are the most musically committed bunch of (largely) amateur DJs I've come across. I really think Active has done a great job in getting rid of the ego filled wankers in the last few years and replacing them with people whose one true love is music. If they dont sound like hit-radio, well thats because theyre not being paid like hit radio.
rant ends here ;)
Maybe we should secretly train cameras ...
Maybe we should secretly train cameras at all Active DJ's 24 hours a day and ascertain exactly what their mastubatory habbits are. Hell, if MTV can do it we can.
johnny.you are right, cos i think ...
johnny.you are right, cos i think they're wankers. the lot of them.
//Just because a band doesn't sound ...
//Just because a band doesn't sound like the datsuns or the d4 doesn't mean their not rock music.
YES IT DOES!
nope thats fashion....
nope thats fashion.
Woohoo I won the Radio Active sampler ...
Woohoo I won the Radio Active sampler off M2 a couple of weeks ago.
//I dont think there is any exclusive ...
//I dont think there is any exclusive 'in crowd' at work, just pro-active bands/managers instead
you nailed it jonnyjw.
//i really don't think that "can of worms" had anything to do with it you cheeky bitch.
seriously bro. the press leading up to that comp was anti active, so maybe they thought "none of those guys will be into it".
//maybe you could play one of our songs on your show. that would be massive.
i would happily do that for you my hairy friend, giz some music cunt!!
you should get a show up there and tear it up from the inside playing some of this rock music i hear the kids talking about. hahaha! seriously man, come up for my next show if you want.
oh yeah wanna buy my bass or has it not got enuff strings for ya?!
//oh yeah wanna buy my bass or has it ...
//oh yeah wanna buy my bass or has it not got enuff strings for ya?!
i would but i've seen you thrash the shit out of it too many times playing your music which i can only describe as rock. keen on a short term loan of your mesa though for recording.
my peavey just isn't going to cut it.
as far as the active thing goes i'm quite prepared to keep my own opinions. thanks for your views though. for a shit stirring cynic you're certainly very diplomatic. on ya.
// diplomatic nah, he's just ...
// diplomatic
nah, he's just kissing ass, more ass then me.....that's a lot of ass.
the mesa is in the garage getting a ...
the mesa is in the garage getting a tune up. wanna buy it? our next album has a more minimilist german techno/deep house feel which the 400+ doesn't quite suit!
sorry to be so crude but just the ...
sorry to be so crude but just the thought of owning your mesa got my cock real hard.
email me: nato@paselode.com to discuss the finer details.
if phoenix & dana arent rock, neither ...
if phoenix & dana arent rock, neither are l.lambs. looks like theres no rock on the active comp!
I hate to ask but how much support in ...
I hate to ask but how much support in terms of playlisting did the Lambs get for the Private Joke album. This album is surely one of the best Wellington releases in recent years and it seemed unsupported by Wellington media?
Letterbox Lambs was a little ...
Letterbox Lambs was a little complicated, I think. They have had a huge amount of support from Active in the past (helped partly by their manager being programme director). But a lot of this time was demos before the album came out. By the time the album came out most of the songs off it had already been playlisted and done their run on the radio.
I thought the album was a lot darker than the bouncy band I've seen on many a happy gig at Bodega. Quite a different experience. mmmm...
hey um, antic. along with this website, ...
hey um, antic. along with this website, active was the most supportive towards "not a pvt" of all wgtn media. as far as other wgtn media goes i don't know, perhaps it was slackness on the part of the band its all a bit of a haze.
jonnyjw:
//But a lot of this time was demos before the album came out. By the time the album came out most of the songs off it had already been playlisted and done their run on the radio.
none of the tracks off the album were releasesd as demos. "this ways down" came out on a split ep thing, and later the active 21st comp. we re-recorded another version and for better or worse put it on the album. this went against the band "policy" of not rereleasing old tracks, but there are reasons why we did it (long story).
//They have had a huge amount of support from Active in the past (helped partly by their manager being programme director).
i was never PD at active. i assume you're referring to andy.
our "peak" of playlist on active was 1996 when mark cubey was PD. our song "carry on" (cringe) was voted #1 that year on active top 50 for the year, much to mr cubeys dismay. he cried foul and so the following 2 years we didnt fare so well. although 2 of our songs were on very high rotate (kelp & staring). andy was at best a volunteer DJ at active at this time, when he became PD in i believe 1998, he became to busy to look after our asses for no pay.
other than not a pvt joke we didnt release anything to radio while andy was PD. shortly after the album came out he quit.
i really feel i needed to clear that up, cos we worked hard as a band, and didnt get anything from knowing the right people. cheers
oops my mistake. mark wasnt PD he was ...
oops my mistake. mark wasnt PD he was station mngr. liam was PD and whoever was before him (paddy?).
I had a feeling I would be corrected by ...
I had a feeling I would be corrected by you, stinkbuzz, on all my mistakes. Nevertheless, overall Active played a lot of L Lambs before they had an album out and by the time the album came out the momentum had largely run out, which I have to say was a little sad. Still, I'm not sure how much endorsement by Active actually translates into record sales.
yeah totally johnny. we got heaps of ...
yeah totally johnny. we got heaps of airplay for the album from active. just wanted to clear up the other stuff. momentum slowed down cos there was a period of two years or so where we didnt record, and our gigs were few & far. nothing to do with active tho.
i'd have to say the next album is "darker" still. hope boston is treating you fine. will have to make sure you get a copy :}
Ta very muchly Stinkbuzz. I can ...
Ta very muchly Stinkbuzz. I can definitely declare that the Letterbox Lambs has been played in the radio at least once in Boston. I'm not sure if you will ever see any royalties from that one, but who knows!
Hope that the indie show is still going strong...
i like boobs...
i like boobs
good on ya....
good on ya.
stinkbuzz, oh stinkbuzz. you don't get ...
stinkbuzz, oh stinkbuzz. you don't get it.i love them.LOVE them.more than life itself.i only stopped breast feeding a week ago and i'm twenty six.
Is the rock scene is becoming like some ...
Is the rock scene is becoming like some kind of separatist movement!? The active comp was put together as a compilation and not a rock CD. The music represented is not only "rock", but blues, hip-hop, dub, jazz, house and various other electronix (ROCK MUSIC IS ELECTRONIC TOO -did ya know?). Active is not a pigeon hole for any one type of music, in fact active doesn't even like dirty, filthy fucking pigeons to start with. Nor do they give a shit about paselode's obvious and cowardly resentment towards the station for what ever reason that may be. Perhaps "jelousy" is the understatement. Don't you ever forget that rock music came from the black sound of blues and jazz, and was quite literally plagerised by no other than Elvis Presley (long die the king), the rest is history folks. However, back to the The Active comp... it actually represents what the sound of Wellington / NZ is today and was never intended as any kind of retrospect of it's history. It's more like history in the making. You can't deny Phoenix and Dana aren't rock, nor can you justify as to wether the Lambs, Trinity Roots and the Clean, or any the other artists featured are rock. Becasue these bands don't want your damn justifications or genre definitions. They'd much more prefer you stop your bloody segregation and go out and bloody support them for what they are. Their musical influences aren't for you to tag, but for you to recognise and enjoy. Because you constantly all diverge into defining exactly what is rock, and what it isn't, is the whole reason why rock is closing in on it's own demise. Because the scene and supporters refuse to recognise that it is all part of the same bloody thing. It's all Music! There are no genres! Who invented the word rock? A record company. Who decided rock was somehow separate to all other musical styles? Some stupid fucking fool who wants ownership of something that belongs to not just one, but all. People are you really listening?
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well put crazyfunked, the active ...
well put crazyfunked, the active compilation is a compilation. i thought that i should let you know that the views i make are my own and are nothing to do with my bands.
and why bring race into it? african americans blues, jamacians created reggae. so??
if you read my comment you'll see that i was saying to jules that he must be stoked that his band made the grade. i've talked through my opinions with the active head-honchos. there is nothing cowardly nor is there any resentment in my feelings. they even let us do a live-to-air so we must be best mates aye.
i'd love to know who you are crazyfunked.
i'm not anti-anything. i have nothing against anyone that works at active, infact i may even happen to live with some of them. all i ask for is a bit of diversity in their playlist. i don't think it's too much to ask.
i define music by how it sound to MY ears and yes, i am listening.
Here’s a little history lesson for you ...
Here’s a little history lesson for you crazyfunked:
The term ‘Rock n Roll’ in relation to music was first coined by the late beatnik community of America in the late 1940’s not by some record exec as ‘crazyfunked’ would lead you to believe.
The term ‘Rock n Roll’ had been extensively used by the black community in America, referring to sexual congress, well before this.
In relation to music the saying ‘rock n roll’ was a tip o’ the hat at the Jazz movement of the time with the word ‘jazz’ being another black term for looooove making.
‘Rock n roll’ (in its relation to white rhythm & blues music) was popularised by the English youth during the ‘50s.
The English pirate Disc jockey Alan Freed is given credit for popularising the term with his radio show called 'Moondog's Rock'n'Roll Party' (’51 – ’54).
These words were far too taboo at the time for record companies to be marketing their music as ‘Rock n Roll’ or even ‘rock’ for that matter.
what is alternative rock?an alternative ...
what is alternative rock?an alternative to what?nato is beautiful so is stinkbuzz and so are boobs
I listen to and i fondly believe that ...
I listen to and i fondly believe that active's playlist is pretty diverse as it is. Do you think that possibly because Paselode are not currently on the (active) playlist that it's just not quite diverse enough? Ya know - for YOUR ears?
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Active would not be the radio station I ...
Active would not be the radio station I would associate with "diverse". But thats not really what this topic was about.
You seem emotionally attached to criticism of Active crazyfunked, I have to wonder why?
Yeah, I would have to ...
Yeah, I would have to agree....Crazyfunked....Active playlist is far more diverse than say Channel Z or (shudder) ZM FM - where else (in Wellington radio terms) can you go from Curtis Mayfield to D-super to Wilco in the space of 10 minutes?
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last time i looked (granted this was ...
last time i looked (granted this was nearly 3 weeks ago) the only "rock" playlisted on active was pheonix foundation and wilco. who to my ears, as great as they both are, are definately not rock.
it's nothing to do with paselode not being playlisted. it's to do with no rock being playlisted.
i could be bitter that they wouldn't play "uppin' the ante" because is wasn't "high enough recording quality" yet that same version was nominated as the top unreleased song in this years bnets. instead i had to laugh.
is it a crime not to be content. i hate half the shit that most radio stations play.
i don't want to carry on in this forum crazyfunked but i'll let you buy me coffee if you want.
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nah man screw discussing this over a ...
nah man screw discussing this over a cup of coffee. This conversation has been going around wellington for months and it's time it was publically aired. Does Radio Active ignore rock? Is it fair to say that compilation accurately represents the NZ music scene at the moment? (How could one CD comp accurately represent any national scene? Big call) Should active diversify it's playlist? Is active pandering more to their overseas audience than their hometown? Lets get these questions out there!
My two cents (ftr - I like guitar ...
My two cents (ftr - I like guitar oriented music with 4/4 timing and verse chorus verse structure. I also enjoy indie rock, pure pop, art rock, dub, roots, reggae, jazz, classical, opera etc etc . theres a time, setting and a mood for all these musical styles. In fact the only music that would drive me to pop my own eardurms rather than listen to it would be that sash style club techno stuff and cheesy boy band RnB.)
I used to listen to active a great deal. 5 years ago it was probably my main source to find new ("alt" cringe) music of all kinds. It seemed to have loads of really diverse shows with djs that were really passionate about the music and went out of their way to find and play excellent new music from all over the place. It didn't strike me as being too much of anything really - it sort of let the music do the talking. No doubt Active has changed, in playlisting and attitude. I wouldn't look towards Active now to find me new music and I don't think their playlist is anywhere near as diverse as it used to be. However I like my dub too and there is a large dub/roots component in wellington and active is probably the only station that is catering for these tastes in wellington.
Personally I don't feel like any radio station is coming anywhere close to representing my taste right now and the area most underrepresented is definitely 'alternative rock'. But is it fair to ask Active be the ones to address that area?
I agree Teina. Active saw a niche in ...
I agree Teina. Active saw a niche in the market (dub, et al) and repositioned themselves, possibly they saw "alt-rock" on the way out. To ask Active to change again while it is still doing well is a hopeless cause and they cannot be everything to everyone. Ideally it is up to someoneelse to fill the rock gap. I'd love to see some indie rock radio up and running here. I think we have had this conversation before.
well yeah that's the obvious call - if ...
well yeah that's the obvious call - if you don't like what's happening get out there and do your own thing - but it's a conversation killer everytime! I'm keen to know the offical Active view of their playlist and target market. Cos if they are claiming their playlist to be diverse and their target audience to be all Wellington alternative radio listeners, then well it's not and they are neglecting a wide taste bracket.
ahh yes what do they define as ...
ahh yes what do they define as alternative? I think that is key. Dub, etc are alternative but slowly becoming mainstream, will they ditch that once it does?
when i had my meeting with the honchos ...
when i had my meeting with the honchos at active i asked for carls opinion on rock music. he said that "he's over it". this is where the problem begins and ends.
i've got a great idea. imagine if it was more than one persons job to choose the playlist. imagine if carl, sam scott from pheonix and jules/stinkbuzz got a little committee going. this would be diversity and i can't see it being of any harm. i actually see actives listener base growing, not switching off.
//screw discussing this over a cup of coffee
the comment "cowardly resentment" made by crazyfunked got me so intrigued to who they are. this mysterious person who's popped up out no where - hiding behind a psuedonym and thinking that they know their shit from their sandwiches. who are you crazyfunked?