ok, I hope i'm not gonna 'kill' conversation by posting one too many pacifier topics but this is something i really think is important and would like to see others opinions on.
I read somewhere on this site that the album is going to be released in the US early next year. What I would like to know, is what sort of promotions are going towards this release?
the way i see it, there is very high potential for successful promotions for pacifier and if utilised, a high probability they will be effective. let's have a look at who they've been working with. josh abraham. ryan williams. scott weiland. dj lethal. josh freeze. the second guitarist from 'a perfect circle' (his name deserts me right now). and there are more on the list. now regardless of whether you like these people or the bands they're in, they a) are powerful figures in the music industry, b) will have large networks of similarly powerful people as friends.
if you are a TRUE, UNSELFISH shihad/pacifier (or both) fan, you will agree that the most important thing for pacifier in the near future is success in america. this is what they want, what i want, and what you should want too - on account of them wanting it.
let's face it fact no. 1: nz pub tours until they retire aren't going to be fulfilling after trying and failing to crack the overseas market. i know if it was me, and im as patriotic and passionate about nz as you can be, that i would find it very hard to face coming back to nz with my overseas mission an abject failure. yes, they know the nz fans are going to welcome them back with open arms, but you and i can only imagine what it would feel like to have set your sights on something you want and deserve so much, and have it not happen.
lets face it fact no. 2: a lot of fan base, especially in a music industry as large and corporate as america's, is about who you know and the inside word on your band. are pacifier gonna utilise who they've worked with? fans of a certain band are going to be interested in any band that a member from band no.1 works with - "oh man scott weiland sings on some new band's cd, what is it, where can i get it?" buzz, it all helps - promote your links boys!!!! shamelessly use them to further your career!!
let's face it fact no. 3: if pacifier wanna get big, they might have to play or tour with bands you don't like. i can imagine right now the furore that would erupt if the news came out pacifier went on tour supporting linkin park. for fuck's sake, whatever happened to judging music for music's sake? NOT for who they work with, NOT for who they tour with, but for the music they make and the live show they put on! and anyway, doesn't it make your mouth water to imagine the boys showing up a huge american band every single nite with their legendary live act?
a lot here. speak up. cheers.
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I think the only thing stopping ...
I think the only thing stopping Pacifier taking off in the States is poor marketing/management.
The first single and video have to be awesome to break the US market so here's hoping the "Run" video ain't no "Comfort Me".
I'm sick of hearing Pacifier have been playing at blah blah blah with blah blah blah or met blah blah blah and yet there has been no promotion that I can tell Stateside to the punters.
They are trying to make it in the States but as far as I can tell they are still doing things in Melbourne. May be there are benefits I don't know about with Melbourne but if you want the States bad wouldn't you spend most of your time there, film video clips there?
Don't want to sound off here - but ...
Don't want to sound off here - but Jimi I think fact number 2 is fairly blatantly obvious what Pacifier are trying to achieve here - they're using every contact and means they can to break the American market - and if that's what they want to do then I support them. What other reasons would they have for injecting these big commercial rock names into contributing to the album?
well, perhaps because these big names ...
well, perhaps because these big names are talented individuals. just a possibility aye mate :P
anyway, as stefan says, //yet there has been no promotion that I can tell Stateside
well why not? it should have started... the earlier the better!!! they need to be getting some buzz around asap. of course this may be happening 'behind the scenes' in which case i wouldnt expect to hear about it...
Hmmm... I think maybe Warners will want ...
Hmmm... I think maybe Warners will want some return on their investment - so I think you can pretty safely say they'll throw resources into the lads... I don't think Warners would let details such as the big names on the album be left out in any big hurry either. And as far as I know, they are based in LA now so this is most definitely their focus.
they aren't signed with Warners in the ...
they aren't signed with Warners in the States. Warners is NZ and Aussie only.
Exactly based in LA yet Melbourne seems to be their place of choice. Once again may be there is a reason for this that I don't know but it seems a bit odd.
as far as i can see, i can't see much. ...
as far as i can see, i can't see much. quote "all songs written by pacifier (universal music)"
however they give 'props' to 'the firm', 'warners nz', 'the label', and 'universal music publishing'.
anyone who knows the various roles of those corporations could you please stand up. also anyone who knows who the girl (i think/hope i havent put my foot in it there) singing on 'home' is? she isnt credited in the cd sleeve.
She also sings on "Coming Down". ...
She also sings on "Coming Down". Whoever she is, she's good. Probably just a session back-up singer though.
well, that could be scott weiland ...
well, that could be scott weiland depending whether you believe the cd sleeve or vietnow's site.
i thought session musicians got credit for their work for the band? i guess she'll be a random name in the band thanks aye
They're distributed by warner music in ...
They're distributed by warner music in NZ and oz and universal music in the US. As far as I know they are signed to 'the label' which is partly owned by Josh Abraham (I think?). And I'm pretty sure 'The label' is distributed by universal music and Pacifier is their first release.
In response to what Jimi said in his second point. I'm not sure whether they should blatantly advertise who they've worked with in making the album. If you look at the Feelers latest album's cover it has 'Produced by Gil Norton' in fairly large letters. It just makes them appear like a bunch of wankers relying on a well known producer to sell their below-par album (which is essentially what the feelers did).
I think the best way for them to make a name for themselves is to tour with people/bands they've met whilst they were over there and make a name for themselves that way.
ok, i need to clear this up. the label ...
ok, i need to clear this up. the label no longer exists. they folded. the band has nothing to do with universal. the band have signed a deal with arista records which the frim (their management) negotiated. arista are also distributing the album.
it's because of all the negotiations after the collapse of the label that has delayed the album, hence the tours of australia and nz.
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righto then. thanks for the info. by ...
righto then. thanks for the info. by the way vietnow, i've been wanting to mention for a while - your site kicks ass dude, well bloody done. obviously helped by contact with pacifier (i love finding out about inspiration and feelings towards their songs) but it's nicely designed and just generally solid.
cotter thats a good point. i would much prefer them to be touring and getting exposure like that rather than saying 'hey guess what america we worked with dj lethal'. however alot of promotion can be done that will still be 'underground buzz'. for instance STP have a website right? let slip the info that scotty has been working with a great new band and sings on it etc. cant hurt can it!
cheers
Thats your site!? Shit man, you rock:D...
Thats your site!? Shit man, you rock:D
hey jimi hows killjoy treating ya?...
hey jimi hows killjoy treating ya?
very good. thanks mate :)...
very good. thanks mate :)
what about pacifier @ ozzfest? now ...
what about pacifier @ ozzfest?
now THAT would be cool......
Sadly, that's a pretty realistic ...
Sadly, that's a pretty realistic scenario. That would mean I'd have to go to fucking OzFest.
i realise im just ranting to myself ...
i realise im just ranting to myself here, but at least if i productively post my anger in a forum, there is a slim slim chance it might change something.
i am absolutely gutted that pacifier arent coming to nelson. FUCK. i bought the cd the morning it came out, its awesome, i listen to it every day - some of the songs still bring goosebumps to the surface. but i won't get to see it live!!! i thought perhaps they werent playing the smaller centres, which would be fair enough.... but no!! maunt maung. gets a concert - as does napier, new plymouth, whangarei, etc.
of course i realise it probably isnt the band organising tour details, but im surprised they aren't coming to nelson because there are so many fans here - young and old, that packed out The Artery to over-capacity on the GE tour.
please god, help us :)
oh get hard buddy. just come over to ...
oh get hard buddy. just come over to wellington, coincide the pacifier gig with doing some recording here or something. it doesn't cost that much to come over here.
yo did you guys make the semis?
meh dude theres nothing like going to ...
meh dude theres nothing like going to an awesome concert in your home town, with your mates who are all as excited as you are about seeing a band.
i don't have any money + i have other personal circumstances which mean i can't make a trip anywhere - it fuckin sucks, believe me.
Ok i just have a few things to add. I ...
Ok i just have a few things to add. I don't know what the run film clip will look like in the end.... but it involves the audience being literally blown away by the bands playing.....as in everyone looses their energy and falls etc.
Oh and one more thing, in reply to jimi's number three. For one thing, a crap band like Linkin Park are going to have fans that like that sort of crap ( may not appreciate pacifier?). If they do end up all liking Pacifier, the band may gain an image and be lumped in with the nu-metal hard rock crap. Pacifier should aim for tours with acts like Queens of the Stone age....rock that isnt too pretensious, and isnt likely to have the band linked to a music scence which should just shrivel up and die.
vid sounds good. while i agree that ...
vid sounds good.
while i agree that if pacifier played with, perhaps, dame kiri te kanawa, they might be digging a well with a fork, linkin park...... fuck i am willing to bet a lot of linkin park fans would also fancy pacifier. not all band fans are as easy to pigeonhole as you seem to think.
additionally, who cares what pacifier's 'image' is? i know i like the music, and you should too (if you do actually like it) - no matter what everyone else sees them as. i think they should tour with whoever they are happy with.
but....then what the hell would their ...
but....then what the hell would their 'fight against corporate rock' have been?
Yes i also think they should tour with whoever they are happy with, but who is saying they would or would not be happy with that?
I personally would not pay to see Linkin park as well... and isnt saying linkin park fans would fancy their music pigeon holing the band themselves? they could tour with a variety of different bands.
And yes i actually do like the music, BUT like it or lump it even the most brilliant music has had an image. Pacifier are far more innovative than a band like Linkin Park, and people who have not heard them may think they are just another numetal act, and may not give them a decent listen if they toured with them.... i am not saying that would be the right thing to do, but that is what would happen. Pacifier *could* be lumped in with all that which may be worse for their long term career.
They are doing well, and deserve to do better, but lets not forget that what they already have done is brilliant. They are a good band, and good bands before them have not had to tour with the likes of Linkin Park to suceed to great hieghts. Go the 'fier!
firstly, on a general note not directed ...
firstly, on a general note not directed at anyone, my dream of american domination for pacifier has begun. go the boys getting the closing credits on a movie - didn't think of that one in my first post did i!! :p
//what the hell would their 'fight against corporate rock' have been?
ok, I've probably been living under a bridge or somewhere similarly uninformed. but where exactly did they say "We are fighting against Corporate Rock in all its forms"? I'm not saying it didn't happen, just if i could see a specific interview or something i could understand more about what you're saying.
//they should tour with whoever they are happy with, but who is saying they would or would not be happy with that?
not me..... all I said was that they might have to tour with large, mainstream bands - and if this happens we shouldn't give one shit
//I personally would not pay to see Linkin park as well
so you're saying you wouldn't go to a pacifier concert? cos they would be playing......
i didnt say linkin park would DEFINITELY like pacifier... "a lot of linkin park fans" i am just willing to bet there would be significant potential for linkin park fans to like pacifier, given they are in the same overall genre.
i don't know about you but I never judge a bands image on who they tour with. you have a valid point, if all american fans are horrible pre judging nutters (which there is a fair probability of). but personally, i think it would be beneficial overall to tour with a hugely popular rock band established commercially in the states.
of course what they have already achieved is brilliant. im not being melodramatic when i say this band has changed my life musically. however, im willing to see them aggressively promote themselves through america's highly commercial system to succeed further, and i think others should too if they really support the band.
oh there used to be this thing on their ...
oh there used to be this thing on their site called the fight against corporate rock or something, and they have mentioned that in interviews and such.
And i wouldnt pay to see linkin park as well as pacifier because it would probably be bloody expensive and i would rather pay that to see them with someone that i like more, but that is just me.
But yes go the fier! Tear up America boys (god now i know why the jihad thingy was a problem)lol :-D
fair enough. i guess the corporate rock ...
fair enough. i guess the corporate rock thing may have been an attitude, or an ethos within the band that was above all money and marketing shite, and guided their visions of what they wanted the band to be, hence the ability to work in 'corporate' environment while maintaining a 'truthful' band.
it also could have been a cynical marketing ploy dreamt up by a jaded record company rep. gutted.
pacifier are NZ's linkin park. They ...
pacifier are NZ's linkin park.
They sound the same.
They look the same.
how come they are any better?
because they are from NZ?
are you talking to me or peaches? i ...
are you talking to me or peaches?
i never said i didn't like linkin park, or that pacifier were better. in fact i quite like them.
//how come they are any better?
because they are from NZ?
why not? i never preclude that as a reason on my list of i like a band. sure it's not the only reason but it helps.
oh come on andoru. don't you mean ...
oh come on andoru. don't you mean blindspott? when have you ever heard Jon rap or Phil scratch. fucks sake.
granted pup. No rapping. But other than ...
granted pup. No rapping. But other than that? there is a bit of scratching.
I just cant stand this false "destory pop with rock thing" they have going. When really they are no better. they are just part of the machine which is bullshit corporate pop music.
Pacifier are NZ's Bon Jovi and Bon ...
Pacifier are NZ's Bon Jovi and Bon Jovi rule!
lol at Stefan...
lol at Stefan
oh my god. have you heard Bon Jovis ...
oh my god.
have you heard Bon Jovis new song?
complete and utter shit
and don't try to tell me the early stuff was better.
no haven't heard their new song. Their ...
no haven't heard their new song. Their early stuff is good, well some of it but yeah.
but hey, that is me, this is you and here comes the fun.
Um yeah because im sure linkin park ...
Um yeah because im sure linkin park would come up with a guitar riff like TGE or create an album like the fish album. Shihad evolve as a band, which is something the oters dont do. I must admit, i havent heard whole new album but from what i have heard it still isnt numetal... and i dont think it should be lumped in with that shite. The lyrics are honest, the riffs are wholesome, you can hear the basslines. And they men pretending to be 15 year old boys like most of those preformers. I dont hear any of the teen angst in the music, sorry.
Ooh, hope I'm not too late to lay a ...
Ooh, hope I'm not too late to lay a comment on this one...
As an American, I've actually been eagerly awaiting the promotion of Pacifier in this country. Given that I've followed their career for about 5 years now, it tickles me to no end that in the near future there's actually a chance that I'll get to see a band from New Zealand (any band from NZ) live. I've never done that before. So I've been keeping my ear to the ground for possible upcoming gigs and venues. I've been listening to the shit rock station we have here in town on occasion. I've been keeping in touch with the local music scene. I've been pumping my sister for information, because she works in radio in New York.
Would you like to know what I've found out?
Would you like to know what's being done to promote Pacifier in this country? Well, so would I.
They're doing nothing. Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.
I'd really like to know if they plan to tour soon, which cities I may be able to see them in, if they'll be playing arenas as the opening band for some huge American pile of shit band, or if they'll (preferrably) play smaller venues with a more intimate crowd...
I'd like to know something.
Let me tell you exactly what's being
Well the latest I can see from my end ...
Well the latest I can see from my end is an announced Feb 11 2003 release date for the album. I think the single 'Bullitproof' is going to be released earlier than this (in fact a handful of radio stations are now making samples available for streaming). So, with a bit of luck they will start making their way around the US of A sometime soon. (they played at CBGB's last week with little or no pre-gig publicity, thus I only found out afterwards - goddammnit!!)
I'm making do with Bob from your hometown playing this weekend at a nice little intimate venue. yaay!
Bob Mould? He's from ...
Bob Mould? He's from Minneapolis.
Bob Dylan? He's from Hibbing.
I live in St. Paul, right in the heart of the Selby Ghetto, so if you mean Toothless Bob down the street, he doesn't tour much what with being a 70 year old crackhead pimp with a wooden leg, so I'd take the chance to see him if you can. He may not be around for long.
Minneapolis/St Paul to me is like ...
Minneapolis/St Paul to me is like Napier/Hastings (you might need a NZ map to understand this). To the locals they are discrete places with their own character, but to everybody else they are just one urban area. I'm sure you get this all the time. :)
Anyway I'll only be seeing toothless Bob if some gay-bashers get to Mr Mould before next weekend, but if that happens I suspect he'll cancel his gig.
A few years back Mr. Mould moved to ...
A few years back Mr. Mould moved to Texas. God knows why. Oh, yeh, could be the 8 feet of snow we typically get in an average winter.
Yeah, well the climate might be better ...
Yeah, well the climate might be better but the inhabitants of ol' Texas arent too stellar* (apart from those nice folks on 'King of the Hill', of course). Maybe thats why Bob's in NYC these days. Not quite as chilly in Boston, but its gettin that way.
I'm making it my personal mission to get the local 'hit radio' station to play Pacifier at least once.