obviously the aussie dope stacks up to that of nz's.

Australia beats NZ hands down. Yeah, I know - "treason! treason!", whatever... But seriously. I've spent the past year in Melbourne, and Australia has:

- A larger population
- Greater cultural diversity
- Cheap (and goddamn efficient) public transport
- Good chances of a big international act visiting regularly
- A strong-as-nails music industry which is not fueled by media
propaganda and plagued by lousy cheap-imitation American bands
(though there are a few crappies, I admit eg. Killing Heidi, - but come
on...Paul Kelly!).

and finally...

- Kosher restaurants (hey...)

There are probably a few more pro's, and I admit there are some cons as well (every country has it's downs). But all in all, Aus kicks New Zealand's sorry backside.

(*Groan*) Isn't the Oz vs Kiwiland thing just a little dated now don't you think? It's what you argue about when you get too old to get away with the classic "my Dad can beat up your Dad" line:) A lotta Aussies got pissed off about the whole Ansett thing 2y'know. This time last year, saying "fush n' chups" in a public place would'a got you lynched over the ditch... but I digress.

There IZ no better/worse... only different. For instance, Aussie hip hop acts get NO airplay, support or recognition from the industry over there. This years Aotearoa National Hiphop Summit in Aucks will be our 3rd one - they've yet to have one in Oz. They'll eat up anything that comes over the Tasman - Che & Kap's both do really well over there. I've got mates djing over in Brizzie & punters there have never even heard anyone beatmix before! There are some very very talented Australian hiphop/ r&b artists comin' up - but compared to NZ, their scene is in the f*ckin' stone-age so it's harder for them to find decent gigs let alone an enthusiastic label.

Also - this particular "my Dad can beat up your Dad" is music orientated isn't it? Good on ya SoldierBoy, you're prob right... but I bet there are restaurants in France that are better & I hear there are slightly more people in China. My point is... who the f*ck cares? I've gotten along with every ocker I've ever met - they're generally pretty funny & easy going. They just got a little hacked off with all the kiwi's who immigrated & jumped straight on the dole over there. Can't really blame 'em - that's why I'd NEVA live there... too much "kiwi-go-home" crap.

two words.

Nick Cave.

I tend to disaggree. To be able to go to an australian party and have some good old fashioned rock playing instead of some shit nelly song playing with words like, damn nigger, fool nigger, pull the trigger on tha nigger, yo. Australia has some damn good shit that rarely makes it over the tasman. they have heaps of styles over there.. If your into powerful rock get some oldschool grinspoon. tis good shit

Pretty much where ever you live there are going to be those bands that you absolutely love, but that noone else (out of your little circle) has heard of, and the fact that hardly anyone knows about them is crap, but its like not those peoples fault for not knowing them, they just know other bands, and they could probably string you up for not knowing one of their favourite "local" or less known "non-mainstream" bands too.

You see it is damn near impossible to really judge whose music is better (ie Oz vs NZ) without actually being in both places and hearing all those bands that not that many people know about. You can do the whole patriotic thing and say "NZ is best" but sadly most of us will never know if it is true or not.

Aside from that, on a different issue, I would have to say that NZ music is the shit! I can't get enough of the local acts so yeah.

yeah nz music!!! kicks everyones ass!!!
go nz!!

The 'scenes' in sydney and melbourne are massive. there is a huge network of people helping out bands. street press like the drum and revolver. it's way easier to be a band in sydney or melbourne. funny thing is they moan about it haha. i'm just glad nz doesn't play american music like the aussies though. They are still caught up in the blink 182 sound at the moment. Poor sods!

haha carl top stuff!